totally agree mossy, like the thigh shot on the 1st guy, when he was on the floor and I knew he didn’t have a weapon, the sheriff would have been on the way. I think I know you well enough, that you wouldn’t have “put em out of their misery”…after they laid bleeding on the floor.
I agree Glenn. It sounds to me and was one of my first thoughts, was it sounds to me like this guy had a few springs breaking or from past experiences somewhere lost control but I’m not a good judge on that.
I had to ask myself where does a guy stop shooting and to me thats after the persons laying on the ground and looks imobile, but is he really and is he carrying. Id then with gun pointed go over and check for a weapon and if there isn’t any then call the police, but thats just me.
I don’t know what this guys been through because he didn’t have a hard time reuseing his weapon. Anyone else to me wouldn’t have shot multiple times and involving the way he did it. To me it sounds like this guy had been through the mill and has used a weapon many times befor. Maybe an old war vet that had to put alot of wounded enemy out of thier misery the way he did because he knew they were going to die anyway. I feel for the guy. Maybe I’m wrong but it does sound like this guys been living under pressure for a long time. One things forsure, you don’t swing at a hornets nest with a baseball bat or your going to get stung.
Cetainly glad that as a teenager you didn’t make any mistakes. 
As a teenager I made many mistakes.
I drove drunk.
I smoked refeer.
I snorted coke.
I sped all the time.
I lied to my folks.
I shot heroin.
I had sex.
I did all kinds of “Bad”,but as GOd is my witness I never did a crime against another person and if I ever do I hope to hell someone shoots me dead.
I would rather be know as a “John Wayne” than a dead citizen.I rejoice when I here of people that should die getting what they deserve.
And your a brother Stuart…
I was neighbors with a couple in their 70’s that got murdered.My mothers house was robbed as my father lay in the hospital dyeing.I know a young man that was raped as a boy and a couple women in their own homes.
If you feel you need to judge how I feel about this,heres a little background.
Commit a crime against another person and you should die!If I don’t invite you in you will die.No warning shot,but maybe two or three for good measure. 
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Cetainly glad that as a teenager you didn’t make any mistakes.
As a teenager I made many mistakes.
I drove drunk. endangered innocent people
I smoked refeer. did you drive while high ?
I snorted coke. you probably don’t remember what you did when blasted
I sped all the time. again willfully breaking the law endangering innocent people
I lied to my folks. not illegal
I shot heroin. again, probably committed felonies when you were tripping and have no clue
I had sex. not illegal
I did all kinds of “Bad”,but as GOd is my witness I never did a crime against another person and if I ever do I hope to hell someone shoots me dead.
I would rather be know as a “John Wayne” than a dead citizen.I rejoice when I here of people that should die getting what they deserve.
are any of these punishable by multiple gunshots ? or maybe one grazing shot ? I mean really, you sound like you were very reckless and a danger to society 
Without talking tough, it really does seem simple to me…… If you DO NOT break into someones home, you significantly lessen the odds that you will die from gunfire. That seems to be an obvious statistical fact to me.
Conversely, breaking into a home increases your chances.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
SL
I think it is too early to rush to judgements, and make statements that may or may not be true.
There is no reason to harp on one anothers beliefs at this point. 
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I think it is too early to rush to judgements, and make statements that may or may not be true.
There is no reason to harp on one anothers beliefs at this point.
no matter what, in my belief, it is NEVER ok to shoot someone multiple times, after you have stopped a threat. That is the most cowardly thing a person could do in my mind… this guy is nuttier than a fruitcake, I am more careful how I choose my heros. 
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They entered his home uninvited.Thats the only crime I see.
He neutralized the threat with the first shot. That was legal for him to do. No other shots were warranted.
You believe as you wish and I will continue to be right.They were not bearing gifts and a side dish to share.They were in his HOME and their family should have to pay the clean up costs.
Most people would never think of robbing another person.Good riddance.
And why should their families have to pay? They didn’t make those kids do that. Shooting and doing what he did are two completely different things. That guy is a nut job.
I’ve seen enough things too Stuart and have been at the receiveing end of a couple terrible things thats happened to my family, and like you others that I’ve been and are still close too.
Would I like to shoot someone, ever? and the answer is definately a no. Do I think theres people who need to be shot and the answers yes, because at certain times they need to be.
Take protecting ones family or anyone for that matter and if it comes to that its always a yes for me. If I ever come across the situation I’m going to be looking for any alternative and my mind will be working overtime trying to figure out if its necessary at that moment. No one wants to do it but it has to be done, because in alot of close calls theres no second chance, by then its too late.
I’ve always been from the school of I’m going to stay within my grounds as to not to do bad things on purpose to anyone else, ever. Its when those things start coming from others with possible intentions of doing harm is when safety becomes a concern. The more serious the intentions and the greater the response.
I don’t know where some people come from because breaking into someones house is very serious. I know they may have just robbery on thier mind but how do I know that, whats really thier intentions. Like its been said on here in these discussions befor by several other people, If the time ever comes I hope to make the right decesions.
It is sad.
This guy going to jail will not bring these kids back. These kids were in the wrong. He was wrong in not reporting this right away.
You never know what you are going to do in a situation until you are in it.
My family had to bury my 2 young cousins this summer and I feel for these kids families. Not the kids but their families, the ones hurt by this. They will soon be sick of the media attention on this.
I also feel for this man. We don’t know the specifics but I feel bad for him and his family.
I gotta agree with G. From his quoted words, I got to say it sounds like this guy used poor judgement. They make it sound pretty calculated on his part.
Have you people seen the photos of the crazed methhead teens that were killed?
If you guys can be flippant judgment based on the crime and punishment, I am allowed to say judging by those covers he should fry. He fricken makes Charles Manson look like a good neighbor.
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I gotta agree with G. From his quoted words, I got to say it sounds like this guy used poor judgement. They make it sound pretty calculated on his part.
Have you people seen the photos of the crazed methhead teens that were killed?
Not since your last avatar Pugs
I still owe you an 8-Ball or something?
Touche! 
Dead people tell no tales.
Now his side of the story is the “Only” story until the investigation is done.
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He neutralized the threat with the first shot. That was legal for him to do. No other shots were warranted.
You believe as you wish and I will continue to be right.They were not bearing gifts and a side dish to share.They were in his HOME and their family should have to pay the clean up costs.
I’m not “believing as I wish”. I’m simply reciting Minnesota law as it was taught to me in CC class. You can shoot until the threat is neutralized. After that, you have a legal obligation to render aid and call the police. If a gut shot neutralizes the threat, you’re done. You don’t get to take a second free throw and put one in their head.
Executing them because you “Wanted him dead” or “Gave her a good clean kill shot” (his words, not mine or the reporter’s) is not within your legal rights.
If someone broke into my home with me and my family, and got past the HOUND, there would only be one shot.Better call the coroner because now a days people have no respect for human life. Either he goes down, or my 45 missfired. To shoot multiple times is not right, but what were they doing in his house in the first place. Need to protect my family with what ever it takes.Sorry those teens had to die.
The teens did not deserve to die, they deserved to get punished big time, but firing multiple shots? I mean cmon.. I understand why he wouldnt want to fire off a warning shot in his own home, but he should have been vocal and yelled at them. The way it sounds in the article is that these kids had no idea he was down there, if he would have just yelled, it would have scared the bajeebers out of them. IF they continued down the steps after yelling, then i would understand why he would shoot once or twice.
Much more to this story.
Hmmm….
Smith’s brother, Bruce Smith, told the Star Tribune of Minneapolis that the incident was the eighth burglary at Byron Smith’s home in recent years.
The only report the Morrison County sheriff’s office has for a break-in at the home was for one on Oct. 27. It shows Byron Smith reported losing cash and gold coins worth $9,200, plus two guns worth $200 each, photo equipment worth over $3,000 and a ring worth $300. The Little Falls Police Department had no other records of burglaries at the home.
Bruce Smith declined to talk to an Associated Press reporter Monday outside his brother’s home in a secluded area north of Little Falls and near the Mississippi River. A makeshift barricade blocked the driveway and a board leaning against it bore the spray-painted words “Keep Out.”
Bruce Smith told the Star Tribune on Sunday that the break-ins had left his brother, a former State Department security officer, feeling vulnerable and afraid.
Brady’s sister, Crystal Schaeffel, told the Star Tribune that Kifer had stolen prescription drugs from her home before. Little Falls police records show Crystal Schaeffel reported a theft Aug. 28, but the department said the report was not public because that investigation was continuing and because it named juveniles.
Schools in Little Falls, about 100 miles northwest of Minneapolis, made counselors available, though classes weren’t in session Monday. In nearby Pillager, where classes were in session, a few students sought help from school counselors and local clergy members available at the school Monday morning, said Superintendent Chuck Arns.
There is much more to this story….drugs, teens, bullying, scared old man, breaking into a person’s home, guns, thanksgiving day…..
Sad day for all involved.
I hope that i am never in a postion that i have to use deadly force to protect myself or my family, but if that day ever comes i will not hesitate.
And as for the pictures that mplspug put up, you should never judge a book buys its cover.
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And as for the pictures that mplspug put up, you should never judge a book buys its cover.
It goes both ways.
I guess since I don’t know the kids or the old man my life hasn’t been effected by this.Just a couple more dead kids and an old man protecting his home.
Nothing I read says he hunted those two down and shot them.They went looking for trouble and found it.
Looks about 50/50 on what folks think here.So I agree to disagree.
Doesn’t matter what they looked like, they broke into this guys house house and whatever happened after that was their fault.
Some of you evidently are living in the past where if you got broke into, they would run if discovered, todays youth in far to many cases have no respect for anybody else and don’t hesitate to physically assault people including shooting them.
Did this guy go to far, ya according to the law, but had these two young adults come across some old lady and kicked her senseless you’d all be screaming for their heads.
Little early for all the facts, but I hope this guy gets a good attorney.
Al
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While I can agree to the 1st part about how they look doesn’t matter( for the record, he is a scary/freaky disgruntled Ex-gov’t employee looking guy & they look like 95% of the kids I know) once he shot them in the thighs and they laid on the floor, especially the girl, who laid bleeding with a rifle hole in her leg,who supposedly “laughed” when his rifle jammed (this is probably the biggest lie has has told to date) he pulls out a pistol and puts few in her chest… and then as she is gasping for air, he mercy shoots her under the chin, to end her suffering… I would say at some point earlier than friday, this guy was responsible for his actions.
You can add me to the 50% that thinks the home owner is an absolute nut job and went too far. Believe it or not, it’s people like this guy that get the anti-gun crowd very energized.
Sorry, the only mistake I see this guy making is not using the right gun for the job. Two well placed shot gun blasts and this guy probably does not even get arrested.
-J.
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