Wolf Billboard?

Forgive me for checking your math, but something didn’t appear quite right… Texas is comprised of 172 million acres. If each person in the world was given two acres, that would equal 14 billion acres. You’re off by a little less than one hundred fold. The US is about 2 billion acres; land mass on planet Earth totals 36 billion. So, your example would actually require 40% of the Earth’ surface, not solelyTexas.
You’ve managed to miss the point again, but possibly we can conclude in agreement? Is this a fishing website? Yes. Does IDO have a hunting website? Yes. So why is there constant whining on the FISHING website concerning wolf hunting or any hunting for that matter? As for rhetoric, It’s the game I crave. The forcefulness is just a tactic to keep you off balance. Thanks for playing into it! So far, BrianK has proven to be the most formidable advisary; I can’t seem to shake him up….he must have received debate training in his past.
PS. Don’t blame the pike for your lack of fishing prowess. There are plenty of panfish out there!

167.7 million acres… Unless you have floating gardens. Sorry, seems like this discussion includes fact-checking exercises so I thought I’d play an innocent part–and add tremendous value to the conversation.

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And another thing….. this website has always been about togetherness. If you’re just here to stir the pot, don’t. You’re daring people to try and do something about you and “settle it the hard way”, not just objectively debating a topic. You’re obviously a self-confident person who believes they need no one and does love trees more than people so for the benefit of all involved…. please…. go hug your tree. You’re already better than us so….. why are you even here? You like jacking people up? Well…. don’t. Keep it peaceful or move on. I’m quite certain there are many here that would be willing to see who’d come out on top but there’s no good gonna come from that. So, take your own BS down a notch. I’m not falling for it and I’m done with this thread.

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Well said. I’ve noticed a trend in the last day and if I looked at your past posts I suspect there would be more of the same (unless you’re just having a bad week)… With one of your past posts described by you as “hortative”, Shady5, you’re like some sort of hybrid troll.

Proceed with your lashes, I can take it…

All sources I find state 172M, but I see you’ve already ascribed yourself as THE source of facts. Your number makes TX even less capable of harboring all of the world’s ‘gardens’, so your argument is supporting the wrong person.
”Hortative” means “advisory”. I’m not clear what your reference to ‘hybrid troll’ means, but it appears you’re the one having the bad day. Your support of “togetherness” is interesting. That sounds like a fine iron-on patch for your rainbow colored Obama t-shirt. Incidentally, please notify me when you begin ‘adding tremendous value to the conversation”.

Pure entertainment Guys Your Bravado makes Vince McManon Blush

I hope IDO doesn’t start charging me…no one should have this much fun for free!
I don’t own a cat, so I have to toy with someone.

i saw a delivery/dock truck on hwy 10 just south of anoka yestrday that was wrapped in a anti wolf hunt design. mobile billboard

“Save the deer from the wolves so I can shoot them”

Sounds good to me. I like shooting deer. Like eating them to. Guess I value the deer heard a little more than the wolves.

Since 2009, wolves have killed 40 dogs and injured at least 12 others, according to state reports. Most of those occurred near rural homes, Stark said.

Would bet many people would value their pets over a wolf to. Do you think a farmer should use the argument that he wants wolves dead so he can kill his live stock himself? It sounds like a pretty good reason to me.

I’m right in the middle. When there wasn’t a hunt and people were calling for one here, I sided with the DNR. Then when they opened up the hunt, I sided with them again. Basically I sided with people who studied them and their population and not with laymen who had spotted them or their carnage. Man can be dangerous with torches and pitch forks, in the least, very unreasonable.

I am all for the hunt as they need to be managed just like every other animal who have a large population and whose numbers can not only affect humans, but the ecological balance as well.

As for people losing their dogs, I am a dog lover. I sympathize with the dogs, granting I don’t know all the circumstances, I don’t sympathize with the owners. I view it the same as bad parenting. We don’t let our children play in the street, for the same reason we shouldn’t let our pets run loose.

How many dogs have died after getting caught in a trap, were kicked by a horse, were run over or drank anti freeze that was left out?

First off you all need to get all your facts straight. The Gray Wold has never been endangered there is a population of roughly 66,000 wolves in Alaska and Canada. This area may have been part of there range years ago but extinction no way no how.

A little reading here would open many eyes to the reality about the joke called Gray Wolf Extinction

http://www.northwestwolfsightings.org/Wolf-Sightings-Blog.html?entry=map-update-4-12-2012

That’s what I always wondered…??? Is a Timberwolf different than a Gray ? When they always talked about wolves being close to extinction, I wondered if it was like saying Howler Monkeys are almost extinct in Antarctica ???

You are right the were listed as an endangered species. They were put on the list I believe because they were disappearing from their historical ranges.

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First off you all need to get all your facts straight. The Gray Wold has never been endangered there is a population of roughly 66,000 wolves in Alaska and Canada. This area may have been part of there range years ago but extinction no way no how.

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Well we should understand the nature of the Federal Endangered Species Preservation Act to really understand why it was listed. Wolves were listed shortly after it passed, and at that time they didn’t take into account species populations in other countries (Canada in this example). So, from a US perspective and considering historical native range they would be US endangered. It has bounced back and forth on that list a few times. Since when do we care about Canada anyway

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That’s what I always wondered…??? Is a Timberwolf different than a Gray ? When they always talked about wolves being close to extinction, I wondered if it was like saying Howler Monkeys are almost extinct in Antarctica ???

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The timberwolf (Canis lupus lycaon) is a sub species of the gray wolf (Canis lupus). Since it’s a sub-species they are basically the same thing, although there may be some genetic differences between the two. There isn’t a large enough difference though to be classified as it’s own species. That may or may not change with time. There’s a lot of life on this planet, species change in classification all the time.

This is quite a heated debate; I laughed a few times reading through the 4 pages (especially the part where humanity can all fit in Texas with 2 acres each). Out of curiosity does anyone study up on peer reviewed articles regarding wolves? I tend to do that on species I’m passionate about and it’s the best way to get accurate information (wolves aren’t on that list by the way).

Whoops! I mixed up the MPR report. Actually, you CAN fit all of humanity inside of TX but that’s if it was one humonguous city and every family (of whatever the average family size is) was housed in a small apartment. I don’t remember if they reported that they’d have to be built as 2 or 3 or 10 stories tall but I think they were stating single level dwelling. The reason I say that is some author of some book was stating his research in finding that we have enough land and resource to feed 6x as many if we properly utilized it and because of that, they were claiming that the population problem isn’t as far out of whack as others are wanting us to believe. It made sense, until I saw a commercial on TV stating that only 1/10th of 1% of the world’s water supply is truly pure and they’re pumping it all into bottles to sell to us!!!

If every family, not person, had a 2-acre plot, they could all fit (approximately) into the US borders. Good call, my mistake.

PS. – I don’t sweat the northerns. In fact, I prefer them. Just stating evidenced comments and reactions of others with or around me.

You can go back to laughing now…… I’m comfortable with not being perfect.

A fact many have lost sight of, the whitetailed deer is almost solely responsible for recovery efforts and conservation efforts of many, many species in the US. As hunters, we pump billions into the economy each year. A large portion of those billions originates with the purchase of a whitetail deer license. There are millions of licenses alone sold in the U.S. each fall. Now start adding up all the other taxes and fees collected on hunting items alone, you’ve got yourself quite the budget. A budget that has been shared to help species like Turkeys, Elk etc….

So anyone who thinks it’s NOT important to protect the whitetail herd is sadly mistaken. This, along with the fact man has screwed up Mother Nature’s continually balancing ecosystem. I believe we are naive to think she can right herself as long as man continues to dwell in the numbers we do. For any species to survive, I think man needs to intervene in today’s world. Even with regulations, we’ve proven man can’t be trusted on his own. How many gross over the limit citations do we see a year? How many don’t we see?

Personally, I don’t feel the need to justify to anyone why I want to hunt wolves. I simply know as long as a tag is available, I’ll keep applying. Even though some “hunters” want to vilify me for wanting to hunt these great creatures. Like most with a true passion for the sport, we care more about these critters than anyone outside our world will ever know.