Call it what you want. The DNR had to do something. The feds created the problem then turned their backs and left the problem up to the states to deal with.
Personally, I would have every single wolf in the state killed. But thats just me. I could care less about the deer.
-J.
Save one for Pug Jon. 
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Does it really matter if a wolf or a hunter kills the deer?
It does matter. The DNR can manage the number of deer killed by hunters. They can’t manage the number killed by wolf. That is not until now.
-J.
Wait, now you’re contending that the DNR is ‘managing’ something? That is an entirely new perspective on this website. You, my friend, are a courageous soul to take that stance here. Again, if everyone is so fearful of the impact on the deer population; are you going to lobby to discontinue the use of automobiles given the number of road kills that “can’t be managed”? Let’s get off the ‘save the deer’ propaganda.
I am greedy, I don’t want wolves or woodchucks, autos or my neighbor shooting any deer… I want them all !!! 
I am a hunter, I was born that way. If I thought I had a snowballs chance in hell, to move the deer crossing signs to a safer area, believe me, I would !!! 
Nobody programmed me to want to hunt and gather, if you check back through time, even your ancestors did it. I don’t under stand your wanting people off some glorified “save the deer agenda”… that is what I am all about, save a deer or two, kill a wolf !!! What’s wrong with my stance ? 
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Come on, guys. So your passion for wolf hunting is spurred by your altruistic motivations to save the deer?! That argument sounds a lot like the one you’re criticizing. Does it really matter if a wolf or a hunter kills the deer?
I don’t know of any HUNTER who killed (or ate) anywhere near 30 to 50 deer within the last year.
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At least your argument supports the number of dogs I’ve shot chasing deer and/or making a nuissance of themselves.
The MN DNR is okay with you shooting dogs that are chasing deer; I’d say there’s also various/numerous other situations where you may have been justified in doing so.
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As far as the statement about the scary wolf in your backyard; check the sex offender list for your area; there’s the real threat. No one dares make a statement about that.
I’ll dare make a statement about THAT.
You catch the neighborhood sex offender in the act of chasing one of your family members, you’d be justified in shooting him too.
Not to mention the fact that you’d be doing the rest of us a favor.
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Let’s get off the ‘save the deer’ propaganda.
I have to agree with this statement.
“Save the deer from the wolves so I can shoot them”, that just doesn’t seem to work, it is a statement that falls on deaf ears,and I refuse to use it.
Why do we have to justify hunting one spieces to save another.
Call it what it is and nothing more.
Lets just tell the truth and say, “I have always wanted to hunt and kill a wolf”, simply for the sport and challenge in it.
That is why we call it a “Wolf hunt”.
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Let’s get off the ‘save the deer’ propaganda.
I have to agree with this statement.
“Save the deer from the wolves so I can shoot them”, that just doesn’t seem to work, it is a statement that falls on deaf ears,and I refuse to use it.
Why do we have to justify hunting one spieces to save another.
Call it what it is and nothing more.Lets just tell the truth and say, “I have always wanted to hunt and kill a wolf”, simply for the sport and challenge in it.
That is why we call it a “Wolf hunt”.
Another one ? I don’t want wolves eating “my” venison inside loins… plain and simple !!! If wolf was as tasty as venison, I would hunt them too… why is that hard to understand and not a valid reason to want to eradicate my deer competitor ?
G
Don’t get me wrong, I am all for hunting wolves.
I know the effect they have had on deer and moose populations.
I just think it is the wrong statement to use to support a wolf hunt.
I will hunt them, so they don’t eat the deer. I am also OK with having a controlled population around, so any of the PETA people that want to go pet them weekends, can surely do that too. 
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Call it what you want. The DNR had to do something. The feds created the problem then turned their backs and left the problem up to the states to deal with.
Personally, I would have every single wolf in the state killed. But thats just me. I could care less about the deer.
-J.
Man created the problem originally by hunting them to near extinction.
Since we are talking about things we’d personally kill off, I’d start with fish consuming eagles. They are worthless. Every time someone sees an eagle, gets all excited and tells me, “Look at the eagle, look at the eagle”. I always respond, “Unless it is dead, I don’t give a damn”.
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Another one ?
G, the ignorance of your statement is what is presenting the confusion. If you want to eliminate your competition, start with the largest competitive threat ( it’s called Pareto’s Rule). Here’s a secret, it’s not the wolves. Lastly, I doubt there are many wolves around St. Cloud, so the wolf hunt won’t benefit your deer population. 
Yes, I only hunt downtown St Cloud…. who’s ignorance ??? 
(you must have missed my reference about moving the deer crossing signs to safer areas, I am doing all I can)
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Let’s get off the ‘save the deer’ propaganda.
I have to agree with this statement.
“Save the deer from the wolves so I can shoot them”, that just doesn’t seem to work, it is a statement that falls on deaf ears,and I refuse to use it.
Why do we have to justify hunting one spieces to save another.
Call it what it is and nothing more.Lets just tell the truth and say, “I have always wanted to hunt and kill a wolf”, simply for the sport and challenge in it.
That is why we call it a “Wolf hunt”.
Interesting stance Jeff; I would presume while I use a similiar analogy, you wouldn’t condemn netting Walleyes in your favorite fishery if it meant reduced bag limits and slot restrictions. Surely you wouldn’t be found arguing that you wouldn’t mind catching and eating a few? Wouldn’t that be following the same principles you scoff at??
Please provide me some clarity as to why a Minnesota Deer hunter whom funds the management of big game through license revenues shouldn’t hope for some big game to HUNT?? 
Come on, there are few, if any, wolves anywhere near St. Cloud. So, in actuality, this issue has nothing to do with you. Now we’re getting somewhere….this issue has little to do with anyone outside the 218 area code, so go back to manicuring your lawns. I actually live up here and deal with wolves on my property, so spare me the pseudo-education.
Secondly, anyone who thinks shooting a few wolves is going to help them fill deer tags needs to take a closer look at their skills. I’ll tell you what, for a nominal fee, say $50 per tag, I will fill them for you.
Hey Chris,
I am not scarfing at yours or Big Gs’ opinion at all.
All I am saying is that to the rest of the world when it comes to the wolf vs deer, those who do not hunt, and there are far more of those that don’t than do, will not listen to that statement.
The reason I would like to hunt them is simply the for challenge, and I would take great satisfaction in killing one.
If some PETA or SIERRA CLUB A hole asked me why I would want to kill any wolves,I would surely let them know that it was purely for my own satisfaction.
You sure there are no wolves near Saint Cloud?
Oh, so the wolves only call in 218…??? 
I believe one of the biggest packs in the state, is in Camp Ripley…. about 30 minutes due north of St Cloud… (I will be bowhunting Ripley next Thursday & Friday)or 2 hours and twenty minutes SW of Duluth 
Also I own 120 acres, north of St Cloud, lease another 240 north of St Cloud, own a place east of Mille Lacs and hunt county land there… where there have been multiple wolve sightings. You should see what I call my lawn
Shady5…. while everyone’s entitled to formulate their own thoughts and opinions, you kinda light up the very thing that ticks me off most. Someone comes into a sight filled with PRO sportsmen and women and starts condemning them as hypocrites because a dead wolf is a dead wolf.
Frankly, western philosophy is out of hand and if anything is alien to this world, it’s western philosophy. We can spin doctor things all we want, so long as it makes us right, is destructive pride at it’s cleverest disguise.
I know nothing about you but I assume you fish? Is there any diffence between hunting fish or hunting wolves? Does there even have to be a reason? Food? Entertainment? Personal gratification?
My question for the entire tree hugging populus is to tell me, like a 4 year old child, so I’m sure to understand it, is what is so unnatural about being a human being on this planet? We’ve lived by the law of SURVIVAL for millenium after millenium and now that science has reached a level that we can feed the masses without chasing down our next meal, somehow it’s become WRONG or SOCIALLY DISCOURAGED to continue having any continued role in the same ecological balances that have fed and nurtured us throughout our entire history? We should just abandon our ROLE?
We can farm and steward and husband the lands and animals all we want but nature is still nature and while our necessities have long played the regulation needed, would it be responsible to turn our backs to it? Man and nature…… we need each other. Always have. Always will. We suffer without it and IT…… IT suffers without us!
If we look at a veganistic view, where all life is sacred, I will argue that this is also hypocritical. We alter insects and plants and soils so that we can produce crops that are plentiful enough to feed the world….. but at a price. Look at how many insects have disappeared and how many others are now out of control because we altered nature. We can dip into that realm of nature without giving anything a second thought but heaven forbid we hunt or trap! Hypocrites……
How is it ANY different, if all life is sacred, that we pick and choose qualifiers?
To a hunter, saving animals he hunts is no different than planting seeds to grow a crop, and harvest it later. We pump $1.6 BILLION dollars INTO conservation and it’s management. Our opposition seems to think that management isn’t necessary so they pump millions into legislators and institutions that fight us at every chance they get!
The world’s natural balance requires regulation. Both sides. Us and them. But it would be historically evident that total abandonment would prove to be completely irresponsible. Unless of course, there’s another planet we can flee to when this one takes us over……. again.
I think the Wolves were near extinction for the very reason there is a hunt today. They are killers, plain and simple. Years ago the farmers and ranchers killed them to protect their herds, same as they do in Wyoming & Montana today. Through Federal involvement we now have Wolves back again. I don’t think anybody would argue that that’s not a good thing. But…………if the state doesn’t regulate them they will just become a problem to the ranchers and farmers yet again.
Do I want them eradicated completely? No. But that doesn’t mean that I don’t want them controlled.
In my lifetime I have witnessed the Eagles and the Wolves rebound from near extinction in Minnesota. I would hope my grand kids grand children will be able to see both in Minnesota in their lifetimes.
For the record, I don’t hunt or know anybody who has lost livestock or pets to Wolves.
Stillakid,
You assume too much. I’ve probably killed more animals and physically assaulted more people than you’re capable of counting, so don’t mistake me as a pacifist. You are correct on one account, I would rather hug a tree than you or my figurative neighbor. You can also abandon your ‘genetic predisposition to hunt’ argument, That flew out the window when you decided to start eating ding dongs and sit on your [censored] for the majority of your existence. Back to the topic at hand; using your rationale, should I kill all the northerns I catch so they don’t eat MY walleyes?! Should I blame the predator fish population when I pull a zero in a tournament? At 7 billion people, the only species requiring population control is us. You can go back to self aggrandizing now.
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Wow, a real John Wayne
Not really, but I’ve found most back down once it’s time to settle things the hard way. That’s why I’m calling BS on your risk-free machismo.
I stand corrected… a bully. I don’t hide behind a screen name. What BS again ?
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You sure there are no wolves near Saint Cloud?
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Based on these 2008 density surveys, the numbers are miniscule in that area. There is probably a similar number of Timber Rattlesnakes as wolves
around SC. Watch out…..double threat!
I sure hope you punch better than you paste.
I will grant you it didn’t turn out as intended. My IPad has a mind of it’s own.
No bullying here, but I am calling it like I see it. You can PM me, if you want to discuss further without bothering these kind folks.
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PM’d back. I’ve enjoyed jousting, guys!
Wow….. you and I are alike too….. cuz you assume too much as well. At least I stated that I know nothing about you.
Anyway, I never said to kill all the wolves. I’ve simply stated that the balances have been tampered with. As for population, DING! DING! Tell him what he’s won Johnny! Again, we’ve altered things that have led to the highest populus this world has ever seen. BUT…. if you gave EVERYONE in the world two acres and made us all to be garden growing neighbors, the entire world population would fit inside the state of Texas!
As for the Northerns….. uh… yeah! I’ve heard of plenty of guys…. relatives included, that blame the poor panfishing on toothier fish! Then, in the next two sentences, they complain about daily limits being reduced to 10 fish per day instead 100! Well geez….. who’s really the problem? So, we try to use regulation and good eco education to let them know that even though there’s less licenses being sold, people are fishing more often. Licenses down… pressure up. We never used to have the resources to dedicate so much time for recreation. There was too much work to be done.
I’m drifting……
Next thing I know, they catch a northern and throw it up on the bank or kill it simply because it bit their bait.
When something becomes scarce, we fight to bring it back. When something goes nuts, we should thin it down. It’s just balance and responsibility. With the income the licenses will generate, hunters will do more to see the survival of the wolf than any anti-hunter will accomplish. You can tell me I’m nuts if you want to, but name me the one species….. just one….. that under the control of a state’s DNR management program, is on the verge of extinction BECAUSE of the hunt.
For some odd reason you want justification. I’m looking at end result. Who cares about a theory…. mine or yours, when at the end of the day, there are still wolves around….. and deer, and moose, and on and on and on? Hunting them under a managed program isn’t going to exterminate them and as long as it raises revenue for their conservation, who cares what any hunter’s reasoning is?
And another thing….. this website has always been about togetherness. If you’re just here to stir the pot, don’t. You’re daring people to try and do something about you and “settle it the hard way”, not just objectively debating a topic. You’re obviously a self-confident person who believes they need no one and does love trees more than people so for the benefit of all involved…. please…. go hug your tree. You’re already better than us so….. why are you even here? You like jacking people up? Well…. don’t. Keep it peaceful or move on. I’m quite certain there are many here that would be willing to see who’d come out on top but there’s no good gonna come from that. So, take your own BS down a notch. I’m not falling for it and I’m done with this thread.
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