60 minutes & Seal Team 6

  • Brian Hoffies
    Land of 10,000 taxes, potholes & the politically correct.
    Posts: 6843
    #1278818

    Anybody watch the story on Seal Team 6 taking out Bin Laden last night?

    I found the author very down to earth and humble. I’m very proud to call myself a American with guys like him roaming the world. From what you can piece together they work like a well oiled machine even when things don’t go 100% the way they are planned.

    To all service personal around the globe, THANK YOU!!

    To Seal Team 6……………. job well done.

    Grouse_Dog
    The Shores of Lake Harriet
    Posts: 2043
    #1097783

    Another douche bag not living by the code….

    Idiot…

    They must have loosened the recruiting standards over the past 8-10 years.

    I have no idea why these “heroes” can’t keep their mouths shut. It shows a complete disrespect for their role and the secret forces.

    Sad…

    kruger
    Metro,mn
    Posts: 593
    #1097785

    Quote:


    Another douche bag not living by the code….

    Idiot…

    They must have loosened the recruiting standards over the past 8-10 years.

    I have no idea why these “heroes” can’t keep their mouths shut. It shows a complete disrespect for their role and the secret forces.

    Sad…



    Ex speacial forces?

    t-ellis
    Colorado Springs, CO
    Posts: 1316
    #1097787

    Quote:


    Another douche bag not living by the code….

    Idiot…

    They must have loosened the recruiting standards over the past 8-10 years.

    I have no idea why these “heroes” can’t keep their mouths shut. It shows a complete disrespect for their role and the secret forces.

    Sad…


    Did you see the episode/interview on 60 Minutes? I thought he came across very humble and respectful never taking the credit himself but rather gave the credit to others involved in the mission. And by the way no secrets were divulged during the interview. I am proud to have people like this representing the USA.

    sgt._rock
    Rochester, MN
    Posts: 2517
    #1097789

    The analysts and spy people are the secret ones gathering data. The Seal Team just went in and executed a raid. Really no different than many military and police units do on a daily basis. They are highly trained and yes operate like a well oiled machine. And they are taught to think on their feet. Was a good news show and he is a quiet humble guy. Like most of them are.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11626
    #1097809

    I’m reading the book No Easy Day right now, in fact.

    More incredible than the raid itself, to me at least, is that these Special Forces troops put themselves through the wringer. To me, so far at least, the best part of the book is the insight into how many people are out there almost killing themselves on a day to day basis just to serve this country and to be ready when the need arises. Whatever need that is.

    I don’t think for a minute that this SEAL is doing anything except a great service to both the USA and the troops by giving the real view of how hard something like bringing down Bin Laden is. Finding him was an incredible feat in and of iteself.

    But then going in to get him? The level of skill that those special forces guys had to have built up over years of training that is intense beyond belief is something the public needs to understand better.

    I saw something on TV about the Coast Gaurd and how they train elite rescue swimmers by going offshore to the Columbia River bar off the Oregon coast. The combination of shallow water, cold water, high winds, and strong currents make this one of the most dangerous coastal areas in the lower 48. So off they go and they jump out of helicopters into 40 degree water in 12 foot seas and 35 MPH winds. To practice!

    Just gives me an even greater appreciation for what our service people are willing to do to protect everyone in this country.

    Grouse

    spd800
    NW Metro
    Posts: 238
    #1097812

    GD, would you please explain your respone. I have a hard time believing our Gov’t would let these guys release or say anything that would jepordize any of our armed forces. Unless I’m missing something I didn’t think there was any harm done.

    Grouse_Dog
    The Shores of Lake Harriet
    Posts: 2043
    #1097820

    In times of war or uncertainty there is a special breed of warrior ready to answer our Nation’s call; a common man with uncommon desire to succeed. Forged by adversity, he stands alongside America’s finest special operations forces to serve his country and the American people, and to protect their way of life. I am that man.

    My Trident is a symbol of honor and heritage. Bestowed upon me by the heroes who have gone before, it embodies the trust of those whom I have sworn to protect. By wearing the Trident, I accept the responsibility of my chosen profession and way of life. It is a privilege that I must earn every day.

    My loyalty to Country and Team is beyond reproach. I humbly serve as a guardian to my fellow Americans, always ready to defend those who are unable to defend themselves. I do not advertise the nature of my work, nor seek recognition for my actions. I voluntarily accept the inherent hazards of my profession, placing the welfare and security of others before my own.

    I serve with honor on and off the battlefield. The ability to control my emotions and my actions, regardless of circumstance, sets me apart from other men. Uncompromising integrity is my standard. My character and honor are steadfast. My word is my bond.

    We expect to lead and be led. In the absence of orders I will take charge, lead my teammates, and accomplish the mission. I lead by example in all situations.

    I will never quit. I persevere and thrive on adversity. My Nation expects me to be physically harder and mentally stronger than my enemies. If knocked down, I will get back up, every time. I will draw on every remaining ounce of strength to protect my teammates and to accomplish the mission. I am never out of the fight.

    We demand discipline. We expect innovation. The lives of my teammates and the success of the mission depend on me — my technical skill, tactical proficiency, and attention to detail. My training is never complete.

    We train for war and fight to win. I stand ready to bring the full spectrum of combat power to bear in order to achieve my mission and the goals established by my country. The execution of my duties will be swift and violent when required, yet guided by the very principles I serve to defend.

    Brave men have fought and died building the proud tradition and feared reputation that I am bound to uphold. In the worst of conditions, the legacy of my teammates steadies my resolve and silently guides my every deed. I will not fail.”

    Think about these words and what they mean…

    A book, an appearance on 60 minutes, etc. all fly in the face of this code.
    Mark Owen or whatever he calls himself (the fact that he attempted to go by an alias says enough) is an idiot. All for a few bucks

    Sad

    Dog

    pantherpop
    Kalispell, MT
    Posts: 264
    #1097824

    Quote:


    In times of war or uncertainty there is a special breed of warrior ready to answer our Nation’s call; a common man with uncommon desire to succeed. Forged by adversity, he stands alongside America’s finest special operations forces to serve his country and the American people, and to protect their way of life. I am that man.

    My Trident is a symbol of honor and heritage. Bestowed upon me by the heroes who have gone before, it embodies the trust of those whom I have sworn to protect. By wearing the Trident, I accept the responsibility of my chosen profession and way of life. It is a privilege that I must earn every day.

    My loyalty to Country and Team is beyond reproach. I humbly serve as a guardian to my fellow Americans, always ready to defend those who are unable to defend themselves. I do not advertise the nature of my work, nor seek recognition for my actions. I voluntarily accept the inherent hazards of my profession, placing the welfare and security of others before my own.

    I serve with honor on and off the battlefield. The ability to control my emotions and my actions, regardless of circumstance, sets me apart from other men. Uncompromising integrity is my standard. My character and honor are steadfast. My word is my bond.

    We expect to lead and be led. In the absence of orders I will take charge, lead my teammates, and accomplish the mission. I lead by example in all situations.

    I will never quit. I persevere and thrive on adversity. My Nation expects me to be physically harder and mentally stronger than my enemies. If knocked down, I will get back up, every time. I will draw on every remaining ounce of strength to protect my teammates and to accomplish the mission. I am never out of the fight.

    We demand discipline. We expect innovation. The lives of my teammates and the success of the mission depend on me — my technical skill, tactical proficiency, and attention to detail. My training is never complete.

    We train for war and fight to win. I stand ready to bring the full spectrum of combat power to bear in order to achieve my mission and the goals established by my country. The execution of my duties will be swift and violent when required, yet guided by the very principles I serve to defend.

    Brave men have fought and died building the proud tradition and feared reputation that I am bound to uphold. In the worst of conditions, the legacy of my teammates steadies my resolve and silently guides my every deed. I will not fail.”

    Think about these words and what they mean…

    A book, an appearance on 60 minutes, etc. all fly in the face of this code.
    Mark Owen or whatever he calls himself (the fact that he attempted to go by an alias says enough) is an idiot. All for a few bucks

    Sad

    Dog


    The $$ from this book goes to Veterans groups like Wounded Veterans and such not for his profit. I think it was to tell the world about the personal sacrifice each and every one of those men go thru to keep us all safe, NOT the politicians.

    Grouse_Dog
    The Shores of Lake Harriet
    Posts: 2043
    #1097831

    Interesting take on ______________.

    Fill in the blank – and make sure you are able to do it AFTER the public and private reaction to you stepping out on the code….

    Nobody says anything – you make a buck. The Pentagon tells you that they will be garnishing your take – donate.

    Trust me – there is more to the story with this “ex” SEAL.

    Pathetic and sad…..

    Dog

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1097846

    Haven’t they filmed documentaries of their seals and their training. I know they don’t show it all, but what is with that?

    Grouse_Dog
    The Shores of Lake Harriet
    Posts: 2043
    #1097856

    Yes, almost always done in the 3rd party – that was annoying and this is the final straw….a first-hand account of a secret mission. Do your job, keep quiet and humble – that used to be the way – unspoken but clearly expected.

    I am sure the tide is changing as we stare at the internet….

    Loose lips have already dictated changes in protocols.

    You wont hear about another first-hand account of a “mission” in all of our lifetimes.

    Dog

    glenn57
    cold spring mn
    Posts: 11808
    #1097943

    i’ve read the book “american sniper” by chris kyle and about done with the book “seal team 6” by howard wasdin. to me these books have very few missions with much detail and has more to do with there extensive training. i dont see any issues with it??????????

    Brian Hoffies
    Land of 10,000 taxes, potholes & the politically correct.
    Posts: 6843
    #1097956

    Anybody who saw the piece 60 Minutes did realizes there were no secretes or tactics revealed that weren’t already out there. The only thing I learned was that they put down for a refueling stop on the way out. The piece was more about the planning and thought process for the mission then anything else. What the book details I’m not sure as I haven’t read it yet.

    Dog has his opinion which he is entitled to. I have mine and everyone else has theirs. If the Military has a problem with either the book or the talk show rounds I’m pretty sure they can handle things. This is after all not the first time military tactics have been discussed. Everytime there is some military action around the world all the ex-military talking heads are on TV before the smoke has cleared.

    Today is a day to remember 9-11, the book is a reminder that America kept it’s promise to rid the world of Bin Laden.

    glenn57
    cold spring mn
    Posts: 11808
    #1097957

    Quote:


    Anybody who saw the piece 60 Minutes did realizes there were no secretes or tactics revealed that weren’t already out there. The only thing I learned was that they put down for a refueling stop on the way out. The piece was more about the planning and thought process for the mission then anything else. What the book details I’m not sure as I haven’t read it yet.

    Dog has his opinion which he is entitled to. I have mine and everyone else has theirs. If the Military has a problem with either the book or the talk show rounds I’m pretty sure they can handle things. This is after all not the first time military tactics have been discussed. Everytime there is some military action around the world all the ex-military talking heads are on TV before the smoke has cleared.

    Today is a day to remember 9-11, the book is a reminder that America kept it’s promise to rid the world of Bin Laden.


    targaman
    Inactive
    Wilton, WI
    Posts: 2759
    #1097977

    Well said Dutchy

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #1097981

    Quote:


    Today is a day to remember 9-11, the book is a reminder that America kept it’s promise to rid the world of Bin Laden.


    Amen!

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22454
    #1097984

    I think what Dog is saying, if he expects us to believe, that he believes he will receive no notoriety, appearing on 60 Minutes… well some of us are not that dumb. He can appear humble and meek, but he is unlike & different than the other thousands of Special Forces soldiers, who are not on 60 Minutes, but do the job just the same. That is all that is being said here…. not that people should not appreciate what he did, but I have more appreciation, for the soldier who does his duty, without having to get in front of the cameras afterwards

    t-ellis
    Colorado Springs, CO
    Posts: 1316
    #1097985

    Quote:


    I think what Dog is saying, if he expects us to believe, that he believes he will receive no notoriety, appearing on 60 Minutes… well some of us are not that dumb. He can appear humble and meek, but he is unlike & different than the other thousands of Special Forces soldiers, who are not on 60 Minutes, but do the job just the same. That is all that is being said here…. not that people should not appreciate what he did, but I have more appreciation, for the soldier who does his duty, without having to get in front of the cameras afterwards


    The Seal being interviewed was asked by his fellow Seals, who were involved in the mission, to tell their story.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22454
    #1097990

    ok, so 20 of them makes it ok, to blow off the oath ? Some won’t understand…. which is OK & understandable

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1097993

    Quote:


    The Seal being interviewed was asked by his fellow Seals, who were involved in the mission, to tell their story.


    “Code” or no “code”, I’m grateful that someone is telling the story that was actually there. I’m sure it was cleaned up a bit to ensure certain people weren’t offended…but then again, I haven’t read the book.

    targaman
    Inactive
    Wilton, WI
    Posts: 2759
    #1097996

    Quote:


    I think what Dog is saying, if he expects us to believe, that he believes he will receive no notoriety, appearing on 60 Minutes… well some of us are not that dumb. He can appear humble and meek, but he is unlike & different than the other thousands of Special Forces soldiers, who are not on 60 Minutes, but do the job just the same. That is all that is being said here…. not that people should not appreciate what he did, but I have more appreciation, for the soldier who does his duty, without having to get in front of the cameras afterwards


    Maybe we don’t hear other seals talking about some of their missions to 60 minutes just for the simple fact they weren’t involved with the capture and killing of the worlds most wanted man. No offense but that’s just the way I see it. There has already been a documentary on tv about the whole mission.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22454
    #1097998

    Like I said, some see it different… that’s ok

    Will Roseberg
    Moderator
    Hanover, MN
    Posts: 2121
    #1098000

    What bothers me about the whole situation is that I believe that the whole reason we got to this point was that this specific mission was used by the administration for political gain.

    I firmly believe that we never should have known that it was Seal Team 6 who executed the mission and that it was loose lips on capitol hill who outed them. Not only should this information have remained classified but it put every member of Seal Team 6 and even possibly their families in danger. I personally (just my opinion) believe that the only reason a book and the 60 minutes interview happened was that the members of Seal Team 6 felt wronged/used by their own government and they wanted to set the record straight.

    Just my two cents

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1098001

    Interesting thought Will. Does make a person think a bite more.

    fishnutbob
    Walker, Mn.
    Posts: 611
    #1098002

    Quote:


    Quote:


    Today is a day to remember 9-11, the book is a reminder that America kept it’s promise to rid the world of Bin Laden.


    Amen!


    X2

    1hl&sinker
    On the St.Croix
    Posts: 2501
    #1098006

    Well, I guess towards the bottom of page 2 isn’t to bad before introducing a political spin.
    Then again it is close to full spin season in the U.S.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22454
    #1098009

    What was gained by whom ? A mission that was started an administration ago, was completed by the next one, that is no secret. Each of us can decide and give credit where it is warranted. When individual members or groups of a military, start “doing” their own thing and righting wrongs that they believe are so, we are ALL in trouble. Some things are done for “the greater good” which everybody might not always agree with or even understand

    Brian Hoffies
    Land of 10,000 taxes, potholes & the politically correct.
    Posts: 6843
    #1098016

    Quote:


    What bothers me about the whole situation is that I believe that the whole reason we got to this point was that this specific mission was used by the administration for political gain.

    I firmly believe that we never should have known that it was Seal Team 6 who executed the mission and that it was loose lips on capitol hill who outed them. Not only should this information have remained classified but it put every member of Seal Team 6 and even possibly their families in danger. I personally (just my opinion) believe that the only reason a book and the 60 minutes interview happened was that the members of Seal Team 6 felt wronged/used by their own government and they wanted to set the record straight.

    Just my two cents


    The only thing I care about is this…………..

    The families of the victims of 9-11 deserve to know the United States military fullfilled the presidents promise of hunting and killing Bin Laden.

    The who, what, when & where doesn’t matter to me.

    doll0043
    Minneapolis
    Posts: 85
    #1098022

    If anyone is interested in reading some interesting commentary on the book, or SOF in general you should check out http://www.sofrep.com which is a news website about the SOF community written by former members of SOF across all military branches.

    I ordered the book and am excited to read it but one of the issues the gov’t has is that it wasn’t submitted for approval prior to publishing. He’s basically violated his non-disclosure agreement that they all sign once entering a Tier 1 organization, even if no classified data is leaked.

    Here’s an interesting article about the pentagon potentially seizing the profits from the sales of the book, which has happened before (and stood up in court).
    http://sofrep.com/11246/no-easy-day-no-easy-profit/

    And here is a very interesting article written by a Former Delta Commander about books in general written by Tier 1 operators.
    http://sofrep.com/11041/a-former-detla-force-commander-speaks-out/

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