Smoking Lawnmower motor help

  • Chuck Melcher
    SE Wisconsin, Racine County
    Posts: 1966
    #1278698

    I have a two year old 21HP Briggs motor on my mower, and it just started smoking, idle, or under load. When applying a load from the deck and blower (bagger) I get a heavier smoke for a moment.`

    Could this just be something that I need to add a fuel cleaner to clean a dirty valve or something? I hope. Any suggestions?

    Brian Hoffies
    Land of 10,000 taxes, potholes & the politically correct.
    Posts: 6843
    #1095504

    A additive can’t hurt I don’t think. The good news is I’ve seen those things belch smoke for many, many years before they finally croak.

    igotone
    Posts: 1746
    #1095511

    have U check the air filter?

    checked or change oil – smell it 4 gas – if like gas change again – might have a neeldle or float issue

    can just shut off gas and run it empty each time U use it – till u find a fix

    this should help

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11832
    #1095525

    I’m with IGO. I wouldn’t automatically assume that where there’s smoke, there’s burning oil.

    Questions:

    1. Have you ever checked or changed the oil on this mower? You don’t mention having checked the oil level, so what’s it like? Is it low?

    2. How much oil, if any has been consumed since you last checked it?

    3. If you’ve changed oil recenetly or had it done, what oil are you running? You should be using SAE30, NOT multi-weight and certainly not low vis multis like 5W-30.

    4. Do you have extensive hillsides on your property?

    There are lots of potentional things that could be the issue here. I’d start by looking at the air filter and doing a good carb clean.

    Obviously, if you haven’t changed the oil, you should do so. You should be checking oil before every use so you can know if there is oil consumption.

    Grouse

    AllenW
    Mpls, MN
    Posts: 2895
    #1095531

    Not sure if that model Briggs has a crankcase breather or not, if it does being plugged will/may cause smoke.

    Al

    Chuck Melcher
    SE Wisconsin, Racine County
    Posts: 1966
    #1095540

    Thanks guys. Change oil every year (30wt), and odd it doesn’t seem like it is burning any. Oil seemed good. Will look at filter again, and look for the breather (Briggs). This is a new motor put on a mower that blew a motor after seven years. The bagger has a blower, and adds a lot of drain on the motor no doubt. That and some grade on the lot. This is a bigger motor I put on to off-set the bagger…. all this is in factory specs as it is a factory bagger/blower. I’ll check the little things mentioned.

    AllenW
    Mpls, MN
    Posts: 2895
    #1095541

    What color smoke?
    Isn’t oil usually white and to much gas black???

    Al

    Castaway
    Otsego,MN
    Posts: 1573
    #1095543

    Probably needs new plugs. My rider started smokeing some and I pulled the plugs and they looked black and carboned up. Put in new plugs and it runs like new. Also check fuel and air filter but Im betting new plugs will solve the problem. Wouldnt hurt to add a little sea foam etc. to a tank of gas.

    Chuck Melcher
    SE Wisconsin, Racine County
    Posts: 1966
    #1095549

    One of my favorite things about IDO…. a place you can go and have a good discussion, and ask for help on a wide variety of topics…. the fishing stuff is great, all this is a big plus.

    Smoke is white.

    I will take advantage of all the suggestions.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11832
    #1095609

    Quote:


    What color smoke?
    Isn’t oil usually white and to much gas black???

    Al


    No.

    Usually burning oil is a blue colored smoke and it leaves a greasy residue.

    Too much fuel produces a black smoke.

    White smoke most often is a result of leaking coolant or water into the cylinder from a head gasket. But that’s a liquid cooled engine, obviously. No idea what’s going on if you’ve got white smoke coming out of an air-cooled engine. Only thing I can think of is massive water contamination of the fuel OR is there some way that water is getting inside your exhaust system? For example, is the tractor sitting outside?

    If this mower isn’t consuming any oil AND assuming this isn’t liquid cooled, I’d say look at fuel system issues first.

    Change the plugs and make sure the gap is right, clean the carb, and personally I’d look up the factory settings for the carb and then check them against the current settings to make sure a needle hasn’t been vibrated into a wide open position or nearly so.

    I’d also be tempted to drain the gas tank and refill with fresh fuel. I always like to completely eliminate the chance of contaminated fuel, even if it seems unlikely. You just never know when something happened like the kids deciding that dad’s mower would enjoy a can of Diet Coke.

    Grouse

    Ralph Wiggum
    Maple Grove, MN
    Posts: 11764
    #1095616

    Ethanol is the culprit.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11832
    #1095638

    Quote:


    Ethanol is the culprit.


    Would you recommend he use a transom saver to prevent ethanol damage?

    Grouse

    Brian Hoffies
    Land of 10,000 taxes, potholes & the politically correct.
    Posts: 6843
    #1095646

    Really????????? We are suppose to check & change oil on a lawn mower? Crap, another thing I’ll catch he77 for not doing.

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