A.I.S. Off-site Inspection Poll?

  • carroll58
    Twin Cities, USA
    Posts: 2094
    #1278231

    They’re at it again, wanting to gate to the ONLY Access to Lake Bavaria in the NW part of Chaska.

    They want to use the new state law allowing Off-Site Inspections, give you a code that would allow you to enter via. some type of gate/controlled access system.

    You might even get a frequent user pass. See article link from the Chaska Herald Commentary: Lake Bavaria Access, Chaska Herald link

    {copyright to the Chaska Herald}
    Commentary: Inspections could also apply to lakeshore owners
    Posted: Friday, July 20, 2012 9:00 am | Updated: 9:20 pm, Thu Jul 19, 2012.

    Commentary: Inspections could also apply to lakeshore owners By Tim Kraft The Chaska Herald | 0 comments

    As president of the Friends of Lake Bavaria Association (FLB), my role is to do whatever can be done to further the impact of our mission statement. That is “To preserve and improve the ecosystem of Lake Bavaria, including its shoreline, and any surrounding land area having a direct impact to the lake, and to promote recreational safety for the lake’s patrons.” I believe all lake associations have a similar mission.

    Notice our mission statement refers to the “lake’s patrons.” That term includes property owners, local residents, and anyone wishing to use this public lake for the benefits it provides.

    Some believe controlling access to a public landing is the lake’s residents attempting to keep non-residents off “their” lake. The FLB board is only trying to protect the quality level of the lake that we share for future generations. We are not attempting to restrict access to anyone, except people who bring damaging invasive species to the lake.

    For those not familiar with the negative effects of the latest Aquatic Invasive Species (AIS) threat, the zebra mussel, I highly recommend an excellent educational video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uLKK09TljI&hd=1.

    Public waters in Minnesota are overseen by the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources. In addition, the DNR owns and operates some lake accesses around the state. Lake Bavaria’s public access is not a DNR access, and that opens the door for more flexibility in solutions for controlling the introduction of new AIS. That said, our situation with the Lake Bavaria public access is complicated as it’s owned and operated by Carver County while the city of Chaska controls the road servicing the access.

    Currently, there is nothing preventing anyone from entering the lake with a recreational device, dock, or lift contaminated with zebra mussels or other aquatic invasive species, except when AIS inspectors are present. Unlike most state and county parks that have a gate or control arm to enforce park hours, most Minnesota lakes don’t have set hours of operation, and the public has an expectation that there are no set hours.

    The county and our lake association understand that any solution to prevent new invasive species from infesting the lake must be applied equally to all patrons of the lake. One approach we are discussing involves sharing a common inspection station and using an automated access control system at the access.

    This is a cost-effective solution, but most importantly, it protects the lake all the time. This kind of an automated control system cannot be compared to a “gated” community where the express purpose is to exclude anyone from entering unless they are a resident or have permission from a resident to enter. In this application, everyone wanting to use the public access would have to drive to the centralized inspection site serving area lakes, and go through the inspection process.

    Residents would not receive any preferential treatment, except that they would be able to keep the inspected watercraft on the lake once inspected. Non-residents, on the other hand, remove their craft from the lake after each use and would be inconvenienced by having their craft re-inspected each time they enter the lake. That inconvenience could theoretically be addressed via a “frequent user” pass of some kind after that individual has committed to rigorously follow AIS best practices.

    Approaches to further remove inconveniences can be considered, but each approach has different risks to protecting the lake. The good news is that many of these different approaches can be piloted and tested at any time. As an example, people will likely want access to the lake early in the morning before the shared inspection station opens at 5 a.m. Happily, this kind of a challenge can be solved in a number of ways with only a limited change in the risk to the lake.

    I believe we all have the responsibility of keeping our lakes clean and healthy. Doing everything possible in acting immediately to achieve this expectation for all Minnesotans’ benefit is worth the cost.

    In my role, I will continue to work with our county commissioners and city Council towards replacing manual inspections at the public access with a more effective solution to AIS in Lake Bavaria.

    .Tim Kraft, of Chaska, is president of the Friends of Lake Bavaria. He can be reached at [email protected].

    POLL Questions:

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1086094

    Forgot one question.

    Would you strongly consider voting anyone out of office that supports off site inspections?

    Donations to fight to keep our rights?

    I was wrong in supporting the fishing license increase if any of this money is used for this.

    I was wrong in supporting the Outdoor Heritage act if any of this money is used for this.

    I was wrong in supporting the lottery funding for the outdoors if any of this money is used for this.

    And I say again, it’s the end of boating as we know it.

    drew-evans
    rochester MN
    Posts: 1099
    #1086095

    Quote:


    Forgot one question.

    Would you strongly consider voting anyone out of office that supports off site inspections?

    Donations to fight to keep our rights?

    I was wrong in supporting the fishing license increase if any of this money is used for this.

    I was wrong in supporting the Outdoor Heritage act if any of this money is used for this.

    I was wrong in supporting the lottery funding for the outdoors if any of this money is used for this.

    And I say again, it’s the end of boating as we know it.


    X2

    my vote would be get em out of office! this is getting crazy! i think im starting to sound like a burnt record but birds cary invasives just as much as humans do from lake to lake we cant spend money on stopping the spread we need to spend money on figuring out how to control or eliminate!

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1086100

    Drew, they will say “there’s no documented cases of this”.

    Does that mean it’s not happening?

    Palerider77
    Posts: 630
    #1086110

    I think a lobbying group for sportsmans rights is ok to donate to. I am a member of the NRA and that amounts to making a donation to protect my rights.

    kperttula
    Posts: 7
    #1086126

    Call me the dissenting opinion on this issue but I think inspections are good. I fish Mille Lacs extensively and the zebra mussel invasion is terrible. Every time you try to fish anywhere near the bottom two feet of the lake you will get zebra mussels clinging to your bottom bouncers and fish hooks. There isn’t a walleye around that will bite on bait with a pack of zebra mussels hanging on the hook. We have practically given up fishing using a bottom bouncers on Mille Lacs.
    Face it, the spread of invasive species needs to be stopped. The argument that a fisherman can’t take 5 minutes for an inspection seems just to be ludicrous. There are a lot of states that have MANDATORY roadside inspections. It will only be a matter of time before the courts and DNR are conducting inspections on I94 and I35 on weekends.
    What would you rather do, give up a few minutes of your day to have an inspection or let the invasives take over the lake, kill the fish and end fishing?

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11654
    #1060147

    Quote:


    I was wrong in supporting the fishing license increase if any of this money is used for this.

    I was wrong in supporting the Outdoor Heritage act if any of this money is used for this.

    I was wrong in supporting the lottery funding for the outdoors if any of this money is used for this.


    OK, before we start biting the heads off the DNR and risk alienating what could turn out to be the angler’s best friend in this fight, let’s get the positions straight:

    – The DNR is on the record as being AGAINST access restrictions as a way to slow/stop AIS. These high-profile access restriction fights have all been initiated by rich, local lakeshore property owners and they are targeting county or city-owned accesses. They do this because they can strongarm local politicians who are afraid if they go against the lakeshore owners, they will alienate big money taxpayers and high-dollar campaign doners.

    – The DNR commissioner, just last week, attracted the ire of an unelected group of “lakeshore property owners Representatives” by telling them that their constant bashing of the DNR and constant demands on DNR resources are making the problem worse.

    There are numerous groups that are threatening to sue the DNR and obviously this selfish action would fruther drain resources that the DNR could be using in the fight.

    – The DNR’s stated policy is one of managing the spread of AIS while continuing to support public use of our public waters. Lakshore owners don’t want the problem managed, they want the lakes privatized and “preserved” for the exclusive use of–you guessed it–the lakeshore landowners.

    Sportsmen need to organize NOW to halt the privateization of our lakes. The DNR is not the enemy here, it’s lakeshore “associations” and wealthy lakeshore property owners along with the [censored]-licking local politicians.

    Grouse

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 11931
    #1086137

    Quote:


    Call me the dissenting opinion on this issue but I think inspections are good. I fish Mille Lacs extensively and the zebra mussel invasion is terrible. Every time you try to fish anywhere near the bottom two feet of the lake you will get zebra mussels clinging to your bottom bouncers and fish hooks. There isn’t a walleye around that will bite on bait with a pack of zebra mussels hanging on the hook. We have practically given up fishing using a bottom bouncers on Mille Lacs.
    Face it, the spread of invasive species needs to be stopped. The argument that a fisherman can’t take 5 minutes for an inspection seems just to be ludicrous. There are a lot of states that have MANDATORY roadside inspections. It will only be a matter of time before the courts and DNR are conducting inspections on I94 and I35 on weekends.
    What would you rather do, give up a few minutes of your day to have an inspection or let the invasives take over the lake, kill the fish and end fishing?


    Ya. Just like the Great Lakes. Everyone knows they are dead – No walleyes or smallmouth left alive there.

    kperttula
    Posts: 7
    #1086144

    Grouse,
    I couldn’t agree with you more. Public lakes shouldn’t be privatized by anyone! However, I read the original posters gripe was with the inspection process and less with the fact that the lake was gated. Until a better system comes along, I think that inspections and gates or landing attendants are what we’re going to have to live with if this will ever be controlled.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11654
    #1086149

    Quote:


    Grouse,
    I couldn’t agree with you more. Public lakes shouldn’t be privatized by anyone! However, I read the original posters gripe was with the inspection process and less with the fact that the lake was gated. Until a better system comes along, I think that inspections and gates or landing attendants are what we’re going to have to live with if this will ever be controlled.


    This fight is going to involve compromise on the part of anglers if we want to keep lakes open. Wash stations, inspections, etc, etc. We are going to have to keep an open mind and quit b!t#hing about every little thing or we are going to win the small battles now and end up losing the war later on.

    We need a law passed that prevents closure of public accesses. We also need a right to access law that states that preventing the possible spread of AIS is not a legal reason for closing off the public’s access to public water. Anyone attempting to do so must face criminal charges.

    We need to get these quasi-government “lakeshore” associations under control. These unelected bodies are making law right now and they are undermining the right of the people to access resources that are owned by all the people of the state.

    Grouse

    desperado
    Posts: 3010
    #1086151

    We must first destroy in order to rebuild and create

    herb
    6ft under
    Posts: 3242
    #1086152

    No admission since they are the protectors of waterfowl and animals and it may open themselves to litigation. You can be sure, they know it happens.
    I’m just confused as to why nobody has taken it upon themselves to just go ahead and introduce the ais where is doesn’t exist and be done with it.
    One way or the other, sooner or later, they’re coming.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1086155

    Quote:


    OK, before we start biting the heads off the DNR


    Thanks for clarifying Grouse. I said the DNR is getting the squeeze from politicians, watershed commissioners and lake [censored]…about 10 AIS threads back.

    I do support education and these threads are free education.

    I don’t support the boat plug law or less access to any body of water.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1086158

    Quote:


    The argument that a fisherman can’t take 5 minutes for an inspection seems just to be ludicrous. There are a lot of states that have MANDATORY roadside inspections. It will only be a matter of time before the courts and DNR are conducting inspections on I94 and I35 on weekends.
    What would you rather do, give up a few minutes of your day to have an inspection or let the invasives take over the lake, kill the fish and end fishing?


    – When they are conducting mandatory inspections on I94/I35, is that going to take 5 minutes when there are lines of boats waiting to be inspected?

    – What states have mandatory inspections now? Are they significantly slowing the spread?

    – Name one lake where one of the AIS we talk about today has killed the fish or ended fishing

    JimmyClark
    Eagle Point Wi. USA
    Posts: 54
    #1086169

    Do the MNDNR admin rules address local govt abilities in regard to the closing/removing of existing public access to public waterways? Some years ago near me we had a pair of neighbors that wanted the local township to abandon the very end of dirt town road that their driveways and properties intersected. Problem was, that would close the long existing public landing at the very end of the road. The local warden pointed out that in order for govt to close an existing landing, they had to create a replacement landing in exchange. End of that discussion! If MNDNR rules say there is similar to this incident, you might have discovered “an angle to fight back”.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1086195

    The problem with that Pop is they aren’t “closing” the landings, just limiting access.

    josh a
    Posts: 588
    #1086221

    Quote:


    Call me the dissenting opinion on this issue but I think inspections are good. I fish Mille Lacs extensively and the zebra mussel invasion is terrible. Every time you try to fish anywhere near the bottom two feet of the lake you will get zebra mussels clinging to your bottom bouncers and fish hooks. There isn’t a walleye around that will bite on bait with a pack of zebra mussels hanging on the hook. We have practically given up fishing using a bottom bouncers on Mille Lacs.
    Face it, the spread of invasive species needs to be stopped. The argument that a fisherman can’t take 5 minutes for an inspection seems just to be ludicrous. There are a lot of states that have MANDATORY roadside inspections. It will only be a matter of time before the courts and DNR are conducting inspections on I94 and I35 on weekends.
    What would you rather do, give up a few minutes of your day to have an inspection or let the invasives take over the lake, kill the fish and end fishing?


    Really?! I’m all for inspections too, as long as its just a guy sitting at the boat launch making sure i get all the weeds off my trailer before i drive away. Random roadside stops are an invasion of privacy, plain and smple. Drugs are a way bigger problem than AIS, why dont’t they search random cars driving down the road? Because its flippin unconstitutional, thats why. They cant do random searches of your house, car, garage or business. Why on gods green earth are you willing to give them the green light on your boat?! As for AIS killing fish, Mille Lacs has more AIS than any lake in the state as far as i know, and also the hottest walleye bite. Damn scare tactics, thats all that is. Just some rich lakeshore owners and politicians scaring people into giving there rights away. Not this guy

    Brian Hoffies
    Land of 10,000 taxes, potholes & the politically correct.
    Posts: 6843
    #1086229

    I’m not joining any organization or committee. However, I won’t be buying my boat renewal nor any fishing license until the day before I need it in the future. About all I can do is penalize the DNR by withholding my cash as long as possible.

    Soon it will be Packer VS Viking thread time and we will ignore all this again until next year.

    carroll58
    Twin Cities, USA
    Posts: 2094
    #1086271

    County Board Agenda: Appears right now they what to spend $12,000 to provide Inspectors from July 28 to Sept. 16 5am-8pm.

    The FLB (Friends of Lake Bavaria) is putting in approx $9,000 with $3,000 coming from the County. Currently, however the access is open 24/7, no gate and so if you come after 8pm to 5am, you won’t be hampered by an inspection.

    2nd, the Company they propose using for this service provides this at other area lakes and the staff is late on a regular basis (at least once a week).

    Problem here is this is just the first step towards gates and off-site inspection. This is where my Poll question comes from and the article in the Chaska Herald.

    My problem is that if you come from Bloomington and get there to find a gate and have to drive over to Lake Minnewashta Regional Park (shortest distance 7-miles) to get and Inspection which does not open until 5am. This will take you at least 30-minutes or more to drive up there and back along with your inspection which they really cannot inspect for because the “Veligers” are microscopic.

    Now I have nothing against any inspection if they could actually look for something they can see. Yes, they can look for weeds, water, etc. but most dont have a clue about asking any really questions that would tip them off to someone that is ignorant or hiding something.

    Carver County Board agenda PDF

    Bullet21XD
    Posts: 174
    #1086273

    Quote:


    – What states have mandatory inspections now? Are they significantly slowing the spread?


    Many of the western states have very strict lake entrance requirements. They will send you away if your boat is at all wet when they check at the gates. Some, even require you to pre plan by showing up to the gate…getting your boat certified and sealed, and only being able to return to the lake at up to ten days before they allow you on. And when you leave, they reseal your boat. If you choose to come back, you may, but if you go to another lake or somehow break the seal…you have to go back, get resealed, and what their determined time period before you are allowed back in. Castaic Lake(SoCal) is one example, and many of the west coast anglers have one specific boat for that lake only, another for other lakes that do not follow the same process.

    Obviously, when a state has 25 lakes to worry about, it’s different. Those Western US reservoirs are for water storage first and foremost, everything else takes a back seat.

    MN has over 5000 public accesses if I remember correctly. With little to no effective way of prevention. The most heavily used lakes are already infested with some AIS. Their efforts are best spent at lakes that are not infested…not spending time at those that are. Sadly, their efforts will never be enough.

    Until then, people have to deal with pointless shakedowns, and useless citations.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1086321

    I just remember why I don’t live in CA…all the nuts roll to the coast. I’m thinking we must have elected at least one that was rejected out there.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1086330

    I can see why they are trying hard to protect their reservoirs out there and because there aren’t as many lakes, its easier. However the guy in the video seems frustrated with it all.

    Could you imagine not being able to fish because it is drizzling out and the ride to the launch will make your boat wet?

    I imagine some lake associations would love this. They could sit at the entrance and squirt boats with a water gun as they entered, thus making them fail the inspection.

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