71 year old shoots would be robbers

Hats off to this gentleman for giving these thugs what they deserved.

Robbery Attempt

Good job, old man!

He’s lucky he’s in Florida. Almost any other state and that shot at the guy once out the door is attempted murder.

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Good job, old man!

He’s lucky he’s in Florida. Almost any other state and that shot at the guy once out the door is attempted murder.

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Not a single state in the US that has CC would consider that attempted murder. Those fellas endangered everyone’s life when the one guy pointed a gun at them, and the other swung a baseball bat. You have the right to defend your life. Now, some states CC is against the law, those states you would have some explaining to do. But you still have the right to defend your life.

The whole crap about if someone turns around and you shoot them than it is murder is COMPLETELY FALSE. That is a myth. You keep shooting until that guy is dead, he still has the chance to point that gun at you and kill you in the matter of a second. You shoot until the threat is gone (he is dead or gone). NO STATE that allows you to use deadly force has limitations to where you have to stop shooting.

Coming from a law enforcement degree, if you ever have the need to shoot someone KEEP SHOOTING. Don’t ever stop until he is done. If someone is threatening your life and you decide you need to use deadly force, make it deadly. It only takes a second for him to roll over or turn around and put a hole through your head. You shoot until he is on the ground, and you keep that gun pointed at him until officers arrive and tell you to put it down. When an officer arrives yell out your name and that you have the suspect contained. The officer will tell you to drop your weapon and take over.

Well I could care less about the dead criminals, but I really feel for a law abiding citizen that had to kill to protect his life, and that decision he’ll have to live with the rest of his life. I can’t imagine it feels really good to be in his, shoes.

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Well I could care less about the dead criminals, but I really feel for a law abiding citizen that had to kill to protect his life, and that decision he’ll have to live with the rest of his life. I can’t imagine it feels really good to be in his, shoes.

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I am right with you. I went through a course on that and it hit me hard. I have always thought that I could shoot someone if I needed to without hesitation. But once I sat down and realized I would have to make the decision to whether or not someones father, son, wife, mother, etc lived or died that day it got to me. I stopped right then and decided whether or not I wanted to continue on a law enforcement path. I’m sure I could do it because it needs to be done, but afterwards I would be a mess for a while. Anyone who thinks the other way has not watched videos of people being shot and the look in officers eyes afterwards. It takes a real psycho to take a life (good or bad guy) and have no feelings afterwards.

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“that decision he’ll have to
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with the rest of his life”

Operative word here is live

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Now, some states CC is against the law,

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Slight correction BB…”state” IL doesn’t have a carry law.

My wife, son and I took a MN CC class from a retired St. Paul officer w/ 20 years experience. Every hour of every class, he repeated: ” If you kill someone, you will never be the same. All the criminal and civil charges and lawsuits will be secondary…you will never be the same.” Sadly, he knows of what he speaks.

Really hit home for me…. is carrying worth all that comes with it? Everyone should think long and hard about this one.

Pete

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is carrying worth all that comes with it?

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Good question!

To me what that question asks is “would I rather be dead then live with the feeling of shooting a human (and the legal hassles that come with it)”

Each person has there own answer and there is no right or wrong (for them).

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is carrying worth all that comes with it?

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Good question!

To me what that question asks is “would I rather be dead then live with the feeling of shooting a human (and the legal hassles that come with it)”

Each person has there own answer and there is no right or wrong (for them).

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That is the question everyone who goes for CC needs to answer.

I’ll add another. Could you pull the trigger after you draw your weapon and point it at a human being? That is another one you need to answer.

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I’ll add another. Could you pull the trigger after you draw your weapon and point it at a human being? That is another one you need to answer.

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I only draw my weapon for 1 reason, to fire it. A weapon should never be drawn as a show of defense or force. But Yes, you need to make that decision long before you ever decide to carry.

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is carrying worth all that comes with it?

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Good question!

To me what that question asks is “would I rather be dead then live with the feeling of shooting a human (and the legal hassles that come with it)”

Each person has there own answer and there is no right or wrong (for them).

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That is the question everyone who goes for CC needs to answer.

I’ll add another. Could you pull the trigger after you draw your weapon and point it at a human being? That is another one you need to answer.

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If it was either shoot them or myself, wife or child could be killed, my answer is without a shadow of a doubt. I have no doubt it would be hard to live with, but it would be impossible to live without my girls.

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Good job, old man!

He’s lucky he’s in Florida. Almost any other state and that shot at the guy once out the door is attempted murder.

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Every weapon defense course I have been in the instructors bring up MN Statute “609.065 JUSTIFIABLE TAKING OF LIFE” look it up if your a carry person it covers alot of the gray areas and all defense lawyers that would be on your side know it.

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Operative word here is live

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Exactly my point.

I maintain that I carry only for selfish reasons, it’s my gun, and god forbid I ever have to use it in some defensive form, it won’t be to save some strangers it’s only for the safety of my family and myself, hopefully so we can get away peacefully. I can’t speak for this gentleman or the situation. But my first concern would be to leave the situation.

Goes back to condition yellow, being alert knowing your exits, and having a plan, at all times, not to say I’m perfect in those respects.

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I’ll add another. Could you pull the trigger after you draw your weapon and point it at a human being? That is another one you need to answer.

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I only draw my weapon for 1 reason, to fire it. A weapon should never be drawn as a show of defense or force. But Yes, you need to make that decision long before you ever decide to carry.

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I took the class several months ago…still need to get my permit. I was gung ho, before the course, but it really makes a guy think after thinking of the consequences. Not that I have a death wish or would be afraid to defend myself or family, but do I trust myself with that kind of responsibility ??? I was in the Army and it was peace time and we “practiced” war games… but taking another life, that never really sank in like it did in the CC class.

i’ve only had to defend myself with deadly force once and i was extremely grateful to the marine who taught me what to do and how to prepare. i would be dead otherwise.

now, apply that experience to saving someone else, wife, daughter. Not an issue for me. So, having the CC and the gun, and carrying a knife, just helps me to do what i have to do without having to get into hand-to-hand. I’m no john wayne, but i will pull the trigger…

and every nite i go to bed, i thank the marine who took 4 hours unpaid out of his life to help another american in a foreign land. my job now is to pay it on…

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A weapon should never be drawn as a show of defense or force.

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Well except for snakes.

ACD

I don’t think it would be an issue for me either, in fact I question myself, if it would be too easy ? Would I go to my sidearm, when I really wouldn’t need to ? That’s what I am saying. Try backing me in a corner and I am coming at you with everything

I opted not to get the CC permit (yet), not that you have to be carrying all the time if you do have the permit.

Lots of factors involved: I don’t live in a high risk area, my kids are long gone, I don’t frequent clubs or bars or areas that have a high crime rate,

Love to shoot, but at my skill level, I couldn’t hit a cow in the as with a scoop shovel; would have to go through a lot of dry run, target shooting and coaching to consider myself proficient, and with some lack of mobility, the risk of someone using my weapon against me on the street is a real possibility.

If I weigh the odds of ever needing a weapon vs the required effort and personal hesitation re: “would I be able to …”, I’m still thinking about it. Plenty of other home defense options are available to most sportsmen as well.

If I had served in the military and had the weapon and mental training/experience, might be a different story.

Certainly respect everyone’s choice and the right to make that choice.

Just my 2 cents.

Pete

And I respect your choice as well. I’m just thankful we all have a choice.

I have to find my story I posted a few years back. Where I live and where I hang never would I have ever dreamed of coming close to needing deadly force.

I’ll be back.

Edited to shorten it up…

… the FW had her Friday Night shoes on and it was off to the Bungalow in Lakeland.

As we were walking towards the building (we park in the back) I heard a short slide of tires on tar with a crunch at the end. It didn’t sound real loud…maybe just a bit more than a fender bender. I start walking around the South side of the building and the FW says to walk through the building to see what happened. As I turn back towards her…a male about 20ish is high tailing it towards the river on the North side.

(EDIT: Later I found out he was looking for a car and had he seen us I’m sure things would be different for our family today…one way or another)

I noted his white pants as he passed under a light.

Once to the front of bar area I was surprised to see the squad cars there already. Then the bar tender announce that “we are locked down because the police say there’s a SHOOTER loose”. The employees kept the customers away from the window…and I started talking to a friend that happened to be there.

At aprox 10 pm the SWAT Team entered the Bungalow with weapons at the ready and herded us back to the bathroom area. They told us what was going on after the building was secured. All the lights were turned out.

After 45 minutes or so we were told we could move around but to stay low and away from the windows. At a few minutes after midnight one car load at a time was escorted to there cars and after going through a maze of squad and swat cars, were on our way home.

The Washington County Sheriff said that all off duty officers were called in and there were over 150 officers in the area going door to door. Helicopter lights were seen shining down on the trees through the windows.

My hats of to these guys! They secured our safety quickly and kept us informed as to what was happening.

(EDIT: Later we found out the rest of the story)

From Channel 5’s web site:

Police shootout in WI ends with home invasion in MN

An armed man fires at sheriff’s deputies in Wisconsin, then flees to Minnesota, but not before the deputies wound him.

Investigators with the Washington County sheriff’s department say around 9 last night, the wounded suspect headed west on 94, crashed his SUV on Rivercrest Road in Lakeland, then ran.

Deputies say he had two guns and forced his way into a house on Old Toll Bridge road.

After shooting the homeowner during a struggle, deputies moved in and tasered the 23 year old suspect.

The homeowner is in the hospital, but will be o-k.

The suspect, from Circle Pines, is also in the hospital and listed in serious condition.

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If all he wanted was my truck, not a problem, take it. However this guy was taking the husband and wife along with the car when the struggle began.

Had he seen my wife and I…well, I don’t wan to get any closer then this.

Just read the news story on this. The 71yo was another customer. It’s a tuff decision to decide to open fire and i hope his was a reasoned one. But, armed crooks are going to think twice.
If BK had not been carrying and the guy decided to take him and FW on in the parking lot, it could have been ugly. To pull out and let the guy move on is just a NIMBY to me. I’m not hapy about current events, but the time has come for me to take a stand for my family.

I would rather be “Judged by 12 than carried by 6”

Forgive me I know this is serious but that video is hilarious watching the senior popping off rounds and seeing the perps scurry and falling down.
The old Yosemite Sam even had an extra clip.

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I would rather be “Judged by 12 than carried by 6”

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I don’t know…. if I killed someone without justification and had to spend the rest of my life in jail thinking about it… it would probably be a toss up… but that’s just me I don’t think anyone is saying they wouldn’t defend themselves, just that it is easy to talk about killing someone, rather than actually doing it and live with the results.

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if I killed someone without justification

live with the results.

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two critical concepts here. The fuse gets a lot shorter after you’ve been in such a situation. Life is too short to lose it.

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if I killed someone without justification

live with the results.

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two critical concepts here. The fuse gets a lot shorter after you’ve been in such a situation. Life is too short to lose it.

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I will quit…. some are not understanding what I am saying/wrestling with, I get it, we all want to live forever and kill bad guys. Kind of simply put, bringing a gun to a fist fight… one gives swollen black eyes, the other is meant to kill… period. Like said, if you pull it out, you better unload it on your target.

I agree. Shooting someone in the foot, then having them shoot you between the eyes, just does not compute…

CC is not about show boating, but being prepared. I’m sure BK thinks twice before going to the Bungalow now…

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if you pull it out, you better unload it on your target.

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That’s what she . . .

Nevermind.

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I agree. Shooting someone in the foot, then having them shoot you between the eyes, just does not compute…

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I know this is not what you were saying, just thought I would throw this out there again. NEVER, EVER shoot to wound. When you shoot, you keep shooting until there is no threat.
DT