I need AIS Inspection stories

  • Bullet21XD
    Posts: 174
    #1085880

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    As a rule they don’t bother me. I’m more upset at the complete waste of money that is being dumped into this. At Verchota landing on pool 5a this last friday there was 3, yes 3 paid staff at this ramp. They had two state vehicles sitting there. As I pulled up I man came over to talk while the other two keep reading there books and never even hardly glanced over. Mind you, this ramp is a one at a time ramp. If this is happening up and down the river and all over the state one can only guess how much money is being poured down the drain. And frankly whats done is done. Nature will take its course and spread all of these exotics around, boats only do it faster.


    It’s all over!

    It’s funny as I have been checked more coming out of lakes,both infested and not infested, than I have been going into lakes, both infested and not infested.

    Shouldn’t the emphasis be placed on boats entering non infested lakes?? Why the F are inspectors checking boats going INTO Minnetonka??

    Also, there seems to be several levels of inspections, from a 30 second glance-over, to a 5 minute shakedown. Isn’t there a routine they need to follow? Any consistancy?

    Also, what is an inspectors authority for entering your boat?? I told one girl she can NOT enter my boat, or climb on my trailer to look in my livewells…that she had better find a mirror on a stick to reach over and check it.

    She said if I left the access without allowing her in my boat, she was going to report me to a CO via State Dispatch. I told her exactly what road i’d be on driving home. Never saw a CO.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1085883

    Disclaimer. I don’t have a boat yet.

    I don’t mind inspections and inspectors rattling off reminders and asking questions about where the boat was last. It can’t hurt, right?

    As for the plug law. I can see their concern that if you have a puddle that is infested in the back of the boat, that would be a bigger risk than draining and letting the entire area dry up. But it can lead to problems for boaters who might forget because, oh I don’t know, they are excited to go fishing? Seems to me you should be allowed to pull the plug a the end of the day, drain it and then put the plug back in.

    But I can see where fishermen are frustrated and offended by checkpoints, spray stations, gates, etc.

    Bullet21XD
    Posts: 174
    #1085891

    As a non boater you don’t see daily, the instances these inspections fail. These people rarely do a thorough examination, and often miss exactly what they’re looking for.

    I have hit the road with vegetation on my trailer many, many times…after recieving the approval of a well trained inspector.

    As a boater…launching over 100 days a year, I have first hand knowledge this entire process is a complete failure.

    A non boater has no clue.

    starvin pilgrim
    Posts: 335
    #1085896

    It’s my cousins boat man. That stuff you found, that ain’t mine man I don’t mess with that AIS stuff, what you talkin about man. Like I told you before. It’s my cousins boat.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1085940

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    I have hit the road with vegetation on my trailer many, many times…



    Nice work DA.

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    A non boater has no clue.


    See the above reply.

    Buzz
    Minneapolis MN
    Posts: 1814
    #1085977

    Supreme Court OK’s boat searches
    by Elizabeth Stawicki, Minnesota Public Radio
    September 25, 2003

    A divided Minnesota Supreme Court ruled game wardens may inspect fishing boats without probable cause that an angler is violating fishing regulations. However, a dissenting justice said the ruling opens the door for warrantless searches by any police officer on the mere suspicion that the individual is, has, or will hunt or fish.

    St. Paul, Minn. — Writing for the majority, Justice James Gilbert said fishing is largely a recreational privilege that anglers choose to engage in knowing the regulations. And the court’s decision merely acknowledges that it’s unreasonable for anglers to have an expectation of privacy in all parts of an open boat used to store and transport fish. The ruling overturns a lower court decision that found such inspections violate constitutional protections against illegal searches.

    Minnesota Department of Natural Resources enforcement chief, Col. Mike Hamm called the Minnesota called the ruling a victory for the fishing resource. He said during the period when the court had barred game wardens from inspecting boats without cause, anglers refused to allow officers to check their catch, particularly on lakes such as Mille Lacs where fishing restrictions are in force.

    “When we’d start moving into some of the lakes that are fisheries have begun management for the good of the population and that’s where we were running into folks that’d say, ‘you know, you’ve had a chance to take a look at my fishing license and thank you very much, I’m not going to show you what my catch is,” Hamm said.

    The decision stems from the case of angler and northern Minnesota attorney John Colosimo. On a fishing trip at Kettle Falls near the Canadian border, Colosimo encountered a conservation officer while moving his boat between portages. He told the officer he had been fishing on Rainy Lake and was transporting his catch. But when the officer asked to inspect the catch, Colosimo refused. The officer issued him a citation carrying a fine of $137.

    Colosimo did not immediately return phone calls. But when he argued his case before the Minnesota Supreme Court last March he told justices that the case was not about circumventing the law.

    “I support game and fish laws, ” said Colosimo. “I absolutely abhor those who violate those laws in any significant way; this is not about that. This is about individual rights; it’s about turning over 40 years of case law on its head in terms of search and seizure under the fourth amendment.”

    Writing in dissent, Justice Alan Page said the majority wrongly forces individuals to choose between waiving their constitutional right to be free from unreasonable searches or engaging in the privilege of hunting, fishing, trapping or possessing wildlife. Page reminded the court it struck down sobriety checkpoints because suspicionless stops were unconstitutional under the Minnesota constitution. He said the boating decision implicitly concludes that the state’s interest in protecting its wildlife resource is more important than in protecting human life by deterring drunk driving.

    William Mitchell Law Professor Peter Erlinder said up until this ruling, the Minnesota Supreme Court has been quite protective of 4th amendment privacy rights. He said the opinion appears to suggest that if the object of a government search is important enough, search and seizure protections don’t apply.

    “Typically when government acts they need probable cause or at least reasonable articulable suspicion. But this seems to indicate that we can create exceptions to that general rule. And if exceptions can be created for game enforcement principles, we could certainly use it in other areas as well,” said Erlinder.

    A year ago the same court ruled conservation officers were NOT allowed to search ice fishing houses without probable cause. But Gilbert said the minimal intrusion in a boat is markedly less when compared to the search of a private, home-like fish house.

    Justice Paul Anderson wrote separately that the court should leave to another day, the right, if any, an officer has to inspect MORE than open sections of a fisherman’s boat. Justice Sam Hanson took no part in the decision.

    Bullet21XD
    Posts: 174
    #1085988

    I understand that about the CO’s ,Buzz. But I doubt the weed police have the same authority, and I really don’t want some kid climbing in and out of my boat, risking damage to the boat or possibly injury.

    Bullet21XD
    Posts: 174
    #1085989

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    I have hit the road with vegetation on my trailer many, many times…



    Nice work DA.

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    A non boater has no clue.


    See the above reply.


    Maybe someday, when you have a boat, you’ll understand.

    Buzz
    Minneapolis MN
    Posts: 1814
    #1086036

    Bullet, I’d have to do some more research, since Level II inspectors have ticket writing authority, it might extend to other authority that CO’s have.(if they are considered law enforcement). I agree that Level I or trained volunteer inspectors wouldn’t have this authority. CO’s certainly do.

    This whole sponging out livewells makes me mad. The law says drain not dry. I also read in Outdoor News about a CO not allowing someone to drain and refill their bait bucket with water from home, because he couldn’t prove were it came from. He had to use unsealed bottled water. This is ridiculous.

    brian_j
    Posts: 204
    #1086066

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    It’s my cousins boat man. That stuff you found, that ain’t mine man I don’t mess with that AIS stuff, what you talkin about man. Like I told you before. It’s my cousins boat.


    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1086088

    Just think, if we had these inspections and citations back in the day, there would be no lakes infested with Eurasian Millfoil.

    By the way, I blame shore fishermen for than and the common carp spreading.

    lhprop1
    Eagan
    Posts: 1899
    #1086093

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    It’s funny as I have been checked more coming out of lakes,both infested and not infested, than I have been going into lakes, both infested and not infested.

    Shouldn’t the emphasis be placed on boats entering non infested lakes?? Why the F are inspectors checking boats going INTO Minnetonka??


    I had an inspector give me the 3rd degree last year about which lakes I’d been to in the past month and whether any of them were know to harbor AIS.

    This was AFTER I’d already pulled my boat out of Minnetonka. Good work, Inspector Clueless.

    clarence_chapman
    Hastings, MN Lake Isabel activist
    Posts: 1345
    #1086114

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    And get this – this past spring while waiting to launch at Wheelers Point on the Rainy, we were in line out on the highway and the guy in front of us puts his plug in his boat. I decided to wait until we got into the actual landing parking lot to put mine in. I’m sure you can see what’s coming… the guy in front of me gets a ticket for having his plug in!! Couldn’t believe it…


    What I would have done is walked up to the guy after the officer left, I would have told the guy if he was going to fight the ticked I would have give him my name and number and said call me and I will fill out a statement that your plug was removed and you had just put it in.
    Get the officer to explain it in front of the court too.
    they are out of control on this issue and common sense does not apply.

    fish-them-all
    Oakdale, MN
    Posts: 1189
    #1086184

    There were 2 AIS inspection guys working the 494 access last night on pool 2. I can’t see the need for that on a weekday since we are paying for it indirectly. Maybe on a weekend 2 would be necessary. Anyone know what they do with the information they ask about where you have been last and where you are going next with the boat?

    llong
    Posts: 197
    #1086190

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    Bullet, I’d have to do some more research, since Level II inspectors have ticket writing authority, it might extend to other authority that CO’s have.(if they are considered law enforcement). I agree that Level I or trained volunteer inspectors wouldn’t have this authority. CO’s certainly do.

    This whole sponging out livewells makes me mad. The law says drain not dry. I also read in Outdoor News about a CO not allowing someone to drain and refill their bait bucket with water from home, because he couldn’t prove were it came from. He had to use unsealed bottled water. This is ridiculous.


    Buzz, level II inspectors cannot write tickets, we as well as level I’s can deny you access to a lake if you show up with a violation. You can fix the problem and then launch. Level I and Level II can look/climb into your boat to look for invasives. The reason why there may have been 2 inspectors there was that they had a decontamination trailer with them and that requires 2 people to set everything up.

    Buzz
    Minneapolis MN
    Posts: 1814
    #1086203

    Crawler, thanks for the clarification. WOW, first time I ever got anything wrong (LOL).

    Thanks

    1hl&sinker
    On the St.Croix
    Posts: 2501
    #1086240

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    Bullet, I’d have to do some more research, since Level II inspectors have ticket writing authority, it might extend to other authority that CO’s have.(if they are considered law enforcement). I agree that Level I or trained volunteer inspectors wouldn’t have this authority. CO’s certainly do.

    This whole sponging out livewells makes me mad. The law says drain not dry. I also read in Outdoor News about a CO not allowing someone to drain and refill their bait bucket with water from home, because he couldn’t prove were it came from. He had to use unsealed bottled water. This is ridiculous.


    Buzz, level II inspectors cannot write tickets, we as well as level I’s can deny you access to a lake if you show up with a violation. You can fix the problem and then launch. Level I and Level II can look/climb into your boat to look for invasives. The reason why there may have been 2 inspectors there was that they had a decontamination trailer with them and that requires 2 people to set everything up.


    Here is a link explaining inspector levels and authority. Mn AIS Inspection and Decontamination level
    As we can see level 1 can not enter the boat to inspect Level 2 can. Either way neither will be entering mine. A private citizen should not have the right to demand entrance to any private property and I will take it to court if the issue is pressed just like sponging out the live well. I was wrong on the denying access issue but like crawler says it an easy fix.

    Bullet21XD
    Posts: 174
    #1086251

    I still don’t see anything saying they can enter the boat. To me, they can look over the gunwhale into compartments and nothing more without consent. And I have no problem opening livewells/compartments for them. Having center mounted wells make it impossible to see the bottom if they are standing beside the trailer.

    https://www.revisor.mn.gov/laws/?doctype=Chapter&year=2011&type=0&id=107

    It is plain to see here…that according to the law, removing plugs and opening valves to drain livewells/bilges is sufficient to be compliant. There’s nothing that says I need to use a towel or sponge to remove every last drop of water…and thats even assuming the residual water is contaminated with an AIS.

    llong
    Posts: 197
    #1086255

    Bullet, take a look at the link that was posted as to the authority of inspectors. Level II’s can enter your boat. Or atleast climb on your trailer to look inside your livewell to see that it is drained out.

    llong
    Posts: 197
    #1086256

    I had a guy tell me that I needed a search warrant to check his livewell that was unconstitutional for me to look at it. So he denied me access to inspect and he left. The local warden was called and he will be looking into the guy.

    1hl&sinker
    On the St.Croix
    Posts: 2501
    #1086280

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    I had a guy tell me that I needed a search warrant to check his livewell that was unconstitutional for me to look at it. So he denied me access to inspect and he left. The local warden was called and he will be looking into the guy.


    You actually called the warden because the guy chose not to be searched by a private citizen? What did he do wrong except urine you off? Now a law enforcement officer can and has been deemed to legally search a live well back in 2002 but I question the authority of the commissioner granting such power to a non legal enforcement officer to trespass on private property.

    Well, if the guy did drain his live well and just did not want you in his boat you just wasted the time of an enforcement agent (thats if the agent decided to fallow up on it.) that could be busting some poachers or something that really matters.

    I would welcome an agent to fallow up on my denial of access(nothing to worry about because my live wells be empty and no exotics on the boat) as the more crying wolf by inspectors the less likely agents will fallow up on bogus calls.

    llong
    Posts: 197
    #1086291

    Sorry if you think it was wrong. Not sure if you think I am a volunteer or not by saying a private person, but I am a DNR employee, protocol is to call a warden if someone will not let you complete your inspection. As far as the poaching deal maybe the guy was way over his limit of walleyes and did not want me to see that

    Bob/MN
    Posts: 58
    #1086306

    My inspection experience was painless and went well. The young inspector was very courteous and helpful. He helped remove some weeds on my trailer and looked over the boat. He asked if I had any questions and gave me a AIS pamphlet.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1086308

    I find it wrong that the DNR or inspectors can look in compartments without probable cause. Very wrong. Especially when you are talking about inspecting for AIS. What exactly do they expect to find, a jar full of zeebs?

    It also appears that the inspections and application of the law is not consistent in all parts of the state. Sponge out the livewell? The most we have had to do is answer a couple questions and let them walk around the boat. I don’t have a problem with that.

    At some point this is going to the courts. I can see a inspector or CO demanding entry into a boat and then breaking something or finding contraband in a compartment.

    Czech
    Cottage Grove, MN
    Posts: 1574
    #1086310

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    I can see a inspector or CO demanding entry into a boat and then breaking something or finding contraband in a compartment.


    When were you in my boat pug?

    josh a
    Posts: 588
    #1086312

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    Sorry if you think it was wrong. Not sure if you think I am a volunteer or not by saying a private person, but I am a DNR employee, protocol is to call a warden if someone will not let you complete your inspection. As far as the poaching deal maybe the guy was way over his limit of walleyes and did not want me to see that


    I think what he meant by “private citizen” is that you are not a law enforcement official. Lets say somebody pulled out of the water, showed you 10 walleye over the limit, what would you do? Call the CO as they drove away, dropped them off at a buddy’s house and went home empty handed. How, without pictures or real proof other than you saying you saw them, could that guy get found guilty?

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1086314

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    When were you in my boat pug?


    Snitch!

    nailbender
    Posts: 82
    #1086471

    Crawlerharness, were you around Lake Pepin this weekend? I met someone there that wanted access to my boat. I told him NO and will never give in to these wanna be’s. I don’t care what the Minnesota Supreme court says, this is an illegal search. That ruling they made will stand for now, but when someone takes it further, they will be proven wrong. If not, then the whole country is in trouble.

    Yesterday I watched two different boats put into Lake Pepin with water coming out of their bilge as they were backing down the ramp. Both had just been checked by these DNR people. Obviously they did a great job conducting their search. If this is the quality of the work being done by these DNR helpers, then do you really need to ask why we don’t want you in our boats?

    Buzz
    Minneapolis MN
    Posts: 1814
    #1086475

    Look guys, I didn’t put this post up so you could hammer on Crawler. We all know that if we pull our plugs on a level surface that it possible some water is still in the hull. What do you expect AIS inspectors to do? Jack up each tongue? You want the DNR to install humps on ramps to drive over?

    Yikes I can’t believe the lengths folks are going to about this.

    I asked for actual boat ramps stories that we could use to make changes.

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