Boulders on Accesses

  • Buzz
    Minneapolis MN
    Posts: 1814
    #1278181

    Here is a link to what Becker County has done to close accesses. http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2012/07/07/regional/invasive-species

    I’m wondering if anyone has any insight into the validity of these actions? Since they were built with County Tax dollars (and who knows if State $$) were involved? And they have been open and used by the public for so many years that maybe some sort of implied easement exists. Since the lake is public, shouldn’t some protection be afforded to the public to retain access?

    Chuck Melcher
    SE Wisconsin, Racine County
    Posts: 1966
    #1084879

    Link doesn’t seem to work.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1084887

    No comment.

    hanson
    Posts: 728
    #1084889

    Seams like the real “invasive” here that the lakeshore owners are trying to control is the general public using their lake.

    When is this going to end?

    Trev
    Battle Lake, MN
    Posts: 965
    #1084895

    Quote:


    Seams like the real “invasive” here that the lakeshore owners are trying to control is the general public using their lake.

    When is this going to end?


    You got it…same thing happening here on Otter Tail. The invasive issue is just another ‘feather in the cap’ for those wanting to close them. Wonder what their wolf cry will be in the winter time when people want to use them to access the lake….

    Ralph Wiggum
    Maple Grove, MN
    Posts: 11764
    #1084899

    Quote:


    Wonder what their wolf cry will be in the winter time when people want to use them to access the lake….



    Auger inspections?

    mark-bruzek
    Two Harbors, MN
    Posts: 3867
    #1084906

    Ive sais it before and I will say it again… Those radicalists are going to urine off enough people protecting “their lake” that individuals are going to purposfully plant AIS in the lake for them.

    This is so out of controll. Property value protection what a bunch of BS being used as an excuse. It is a public water way, you can not stop access. You do not own the lake.

    lhprop1
    Eagan
    Posts: 1899
    #1084912

    You call those little “boulders” an obstacle? I call them a training opportunity.

    I’ve never met a stone I haven’t tried to lift.

    desperado
    Posts: 3010
    #1084913

    Boulders in the way ?
    sounds like a good set-up for a tannerite experiment

    anyone have any experience with using it to relocate heavy objects from their current resting place ?

    carroll58
    Twin Cities, USA
    Posts: 2094
    #1084923

    As I’ve said before many times, if they succeed in closing off Public access to a lake, then they have essentially “PRIVATIZED that Lake”, thus when it comes to Property values and Taxes they go hand in hand.

    Property Values on a Private Lake should likely be 150%-200% the value of property on a public lake. PROPERTY TAXES should go up accordingly on a curve, thus Taxes should go up to 175%-250% of what it would be had the lake still been Public.

    If somebody investigates these particular parcels and the funding that purchased them, we may find the County, has violated the Law. Parcels purchased with certain special State &/or Federal Funds by law require replacement of these lands & facilities by 150%-200%.

    This happened 20+/- years ago when the City of Hudson extended 11th Street through the Park (Ball Fields) South of I-94 as Heggen St.

    Does anybody have more information on these accesses, photo’s and information so we can trace ownership and funding?

    We as Sportsmen & lake users need to all work together. One at a time, but seems like these issues are popping up faster and faster.

    ariat
    Ottertail Lake,mn
    Posts: 42
    #1084928

    If they don’t want ramps at these public access anymore they should be roped off and people should be allowed to use them as a public beach and wintertime access at the very least. All closing them off accomplishes is giving the neighbors more lakeshore footage for free.. This is not right Furthermore if you are going to blockade something do it to the access on pelican and any other infested lakes and make the boats leaving go thru the washdown process and if staff is low then have set hours. I agree that invasives need to be stopped, but this is ridiculous

    jeff_huberty
    Inactive
    Posts: 4941
    #1084949

    Time to start raising heck with your legislature, we need to tack some language onto the amendment guaranteeing the right to hunt and fish.

    lhprop1
    Eagan
    Posts: 1899
    #1084981

    Quote:


    Boulders in the way ?
    sounds like a good set-up for a tannerite experiment

    anyone have any experience with using it to relocate heavy objects from their current resting place ?


    Seriously, is there a law against moving them? If they were put there by someone unauthorized to do so and they’re on public property, is there any law against someone with either a backhoe or a strong back moving them out of the way?

    sgt._rock
    Rochester, MN
    Posts: 2517
    #1084982

    I would say if there is no signage indicating it is a closed access posted by proper authority then the rocks are just litter.

    lhprop1
    Eagan
    Posts: 1899
    #1084989

    Quote:


    I would say if there is no signage indicating it is a closed access posted by proper authority then the rocks are just litter.


    Sounds like a fun training session. I could sit there with a tip bucket as happy anglers legally use the access.

    BBKK
    IA
    Posts: 4033
    #1084993

    Quote:


    Quote:


    Boulders in the way ?
    sounds like a good set-up for a tannerite experiment

    anyone have any experience with using it to relocate heavy objects from their current resting place ?


    Seriously, is there a law against moving them? If they were put there by someone unauthorized to do so and they’re on public property, is there any law against someone with either a backhoe or a strong back moving them out of the way?


    Yeah, there would be. It would be trespassing if you moved them and launched your boat. The township owns the ramp, just because it was open to the public does not mean the public owns the ramp and has a RIGHT to use it. The township can close the ramps any time they want, and moving their boulders would be like someone moving your garage because they want to park there.

    Its not right what they are doing, but they can do what they want because they own it.

    You could petition the township to open it back up to the public, but they have the final decision.

    Chuck Melcher
    SE Wisconsin, Racine County
    Posts: 1966
    #1084996

    Said it before… I really hope none of the goofs here in WI notice the crazy things getting done in MN. You guys are getting screwed by fear mongers, and local land owners.

    Bet those boulders get moved about the time land owners want to pull their boats out of the water for the season.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1085010

    Ok, have we finally had enough? I am going to start figuring out what I can do to start organizing. It might have to start out small, simple and free. I am thinking maybe start with a Facebook page until I can figure out the logistics of a website. I need to figure out how to have a free one and I know there are several options out there. But I also need to incorporate some sort of sign up so there is membership that can be contacted and mobilized.

    A couple notes on this story. First, they id not close all the accesses to the lake, they went from 8 down to 1 on Melissa. Their reasoning is that it is so it is easier to inspect. To which I answer, they have no authority to inspect. It might make them feel like they are not infringing on people’s rights, but the fact is they are making it harder to access lakes.

    It makes me sick how local and state authorities allow people to do this without weighing the fun of recreation against the burden that they create for people.

    Hyperbole – “We don’t want to get like Pelican where people have to wear boots to get in the lake to swim.”

    Quote:


    “The problem is getting people to commit time,” Jensen said.

    Jenson said there are more than 400 people living around Lake Melissa. But last summer only he and his son volunteered to work at the public access.

    “They’re busy doing something else,” he said. “It doesn’t seem to concern them.”

    Knopf said he suspects people along the lake think elected officials will take care of the problem.

    “I think maybe 30 or 40 years ago they would have had more people volunteering to step to the plate,” Knopf said. “Anymore, you know, the world has gotten more passive in some ways and we like to place blame on government.”


    Maybe it is because you are in the minority and most people don’t believe in your tactics? Talk about self righteousness.

    He was pretty honest in part of the article..

    Quote:


    Knopf, the township supervisor, is concerned that if zebra mussels infest the lake, lake property will be worth less, and that means fewer property tax dollars for the township to use on road maintenance.

    “As a township we have an environmental reason and a financial reason to save the lakes for the recreational value,” he said.


    This really is the bottom line for these people who are hitching a ride, so to speak, no the AIS bandwagon to get their agendas through.

    jeff_huberty
    Inactive
    Posts: 4941
    #1085015

    Quote:


    Ok, have we finally had enough? I am going to start figuring out what I can do to start organizing. It might have to start out small, simple and free. I am thinking maybe start with a Facebook page until I can figure out the logistics of a website. I need to figure out how to have a free one and I know there are several options out there. But I also need to incorporate some sort of sign up so there is membership that can be contacted and mobilized.

    A couple notes on this story. First, they id not close all the accesses to the lake, they went from 8 down to 1 on Melissa. Their reasoning is that it is so it is easier to inspect. To which I answer, they have no authority to inspect. It might make them feel like they are not infringing on people’s rights, but the fact is they are making it harder to access lakes.

    It makes me sick how local and state authorities allow people to do this without weighing the fun of recreation against the burden that they create for people.

    Hyperbole – “We don’t want to get like Pelican where people have to wear boots to get in the lake to swim.”

    Quote:


    “The problem is getting people to commit time,” Jensen said.

    Jenson said there are more than 400 people living around Lake Melissa. But last summer only he and his son volunteered to work at the public access.

    “They’re busy doing something else,” he said. “It doesn’t seem to concern them.”

    Knopf said he suspects people along the lake think elected officials will take care of the problem.

    “I think maybe 30 or 40 years ago they would have had more people volunteering to step to the plate,” Knopf said. “Anymore, you know, the world has gotten more passive in some ways and we like to place blame on government.”


    Maybe it is because you are in the minority and most people don’t believe in your tactics? Talk about self righteousness.

    He was pretty honest in part of the article..

    Quote:


    Knopf, the township supervisor, is concerned that if zebra mussels infest the lake, lake property will be worth less, and that means fewer property tax dollars for the township to use on road maintenance.

    “As a township we have an environmental reason and a financial reason to save the lakes for the recreational value,” he said.


    This really is the bottom line for these people who are hitching a ride, so to speak, no the AIS bandwagon to get their agendas through.


    Archies Army

    I wish I had the time to help you Pug, I will do what I can.

    carroll58
    Twin Cities, USA
    Posts: 2094
    #1085023

    Quote:


    Their reasoning is that it is so it is easier to inspect. To which I answer, they have no authority to inspect. It might make them feel like they are not infringing on people’s rights, but the fact is they are making it harder to access lakes.


    Yes, I think the whole deal will boil down to what the Courts will say their rights to “Inspect” really are when this gets in Court.

    The recent case in Carver County where a couple Lake Associations sued the DNR for the right to require Off-Site Inspections, etc. resulted in both sides, the Mn/DNR & the Lake Associations submitting documents basically stating that you really cannot inspect for the Zebra Mussel/Veligers because they are Microscopic and there is no way to test for them. Thus the Judge threw the case out.

    I’ll see if I can get a hold of those documents and we can post them here or in some other central place so as we band together we have a central place to go to for the FACTS to discredit all the Fear Mongering Lake Owners.

    lhprop1
    Eagan
    Posts: 1899
    #1085035

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    I wish I had the time to help you Pug, I will do what I can.


    Count me in. Let me know what I can do to help.

    Wade Boardman
    Grand Rapids, MN
    Posts: 4453
    #1085073

    I do not kow if I can continue to ever read this stuff. I can’t begin to tell you how upsetting I find this.

    TimJones
    Lake Osakis,MN
    Posts: 241
    #1085117

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    Ive sais it before and I will say it again… Those radicalists are going to urine off enough people protecting “their lake” that individuals are going to purposfully plant AIS in the lake for them.



    Forget the radicals. The State Legislature should require the DNR to put every known invasive that inhabits any water body in this state into every lake, river, stream, creek, farm pond, swamp, or anyplace else there is water in this state. It’s going to happen, you can’t stop it. So get it over with. It will save the DNR and other state agencies that are trying to stop it hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes. It will stop all the incessant whining that goes on on these fishing forums. The fish, birds and animals adapt to invasive species. We’re smarter than they are. Learn to adapt. As far as the border waters go, tell Canada and the other states to cram it you know where if they don’t like it.

    stuwest
    Elmwood, WI
    Posts: 2254
    #1085119

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    The fish, birds and animals adapt to invasive species. We’re smarter than they are.


    The first part i agree with, but the second?? Well, a stretch at best…

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1085134

    Before I can do anything, I need to take care of personal business. Otherwise it looks like Buzz has the ball rolling in another post.

    Trev
    Battle Lake, MN
    Posts: 965
    #1085249

    For once I’m on your side pug…. I truly believe the guys that visit multiple lakes during the open water season are much more aware of the AIS issue and take more precaution’s to prevent the spread than these guys laying awake at night trying to ‘dream up’ the next lame excuse to protect ‘their’ lake. I wonder if these clowns ask their dock and lift guys if their removal/install equipment has been properly cleaned as they jump from lake to lake…. ….probably never even crosses their mind!

    jeff_huberty
    Inactive
    Posts: 4941
    #1085266

    I may be mistaken here, but in this particular deal, I think Lake Melissa and Pelican lake are connected by the Pelican river. I believe it is a chain of lakes?

    Trev
    Battle Lake, MN
    Posts: 965
    #1085285

    Quote:


    I may be mistaken here, but in this particular deal, I think Lake Melissa and Pelican lake are connected by the Pelican river. I believe it is a chain of lakes?


    correct

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1085341

    Quote:


    I may be mistaken here, but in this particular deal, I think Lake Melissa and Pelican lake are connected by the Pelican river. I believe it is a chain of lakes?



    What are you trying to say?

    Resistance is futile.

    Will they set up an inspection point where they connect with inspectors and microscopes so they can zap the buggers that try and sneak into Melissa?

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