Archie Leizinger needs our HELP to keep his access

  • carroll58
    Twin Cities, USA
    Posts: 2094
    #1277946

    Archie Leizinger needs our HELP to keep his access to Schutz Lake in Victoria open.

    Personally I’ve never fished this lake but always heard good things about it. Another example of snobby lake shore owners trying to Privatize a Lake and in doing so hurt this delightful sounding man.

    I am checking on an address to send doantions, will reply when I get the address from Mary as quoted in the article.

    Little Launch waiting to re-open Star Tribune article
    {the following is from the Star Tribune article}
    A little boat launch waits to re-open in Victoria
    Article by: TOM MEERSMAN , Star Tribune
    Updated: July 3, 2012 – 8:31 AM
    A complaint forced Archie Leizinger to close his landing until he gets a $1,500 permit, prompting a debate about fair access.

    To launch a boat on Shutz Lake in the city of Victoria, you’ve got to see 84-year-old Archie.

    For nearly half a century, he’s been running what’s locally known as Archie’s Landing, the only place on the 99-acre lake in the southwest metro where outsiders — and even many lakeshore owners — can put their boats in the water.

    Archie charges $6 a boat and a Dr Pepper. Archie Leizinger is mentally disabled, and the little money he makes from local anglers supplements his meager income.

    But he had to shut down his launch this spring when someone complained to the city that he was operating a business without a permit, and that anglers using his boat access might bring zebra mussels into the lake. Now, he has to come up with $1,500 for a permit, incensing his supporters who are raising money to pay for it and who contend the issue is more about efforts to close off access to the tiny lake, which is known for its bass fishing.

    For Chris Glaze, who has fished the lake for 18 years, it doesn’t make sense that one neighbor’s complaint can shut the landing down.

    “The guy has caused nobody any grief for all that time, and he’s brought a lot of joy to my life,” Glaze said. “People are trying to mess with him because they thought he didn’t have any backup.”

    Both sides will have a chance to tell their side Tuesday night, when Victoria’s Planning Commission holds a public hearing about the proposed permit.

    ‘Took it pretty hard’

    Mainly, Archie enjoys talking with people about fishing and showing off his tackle boxes with dozens of lures.

    “Look at all the sunfish,” he yelled to a visitor recently, his lanky frame dancing with excitement on a rickety wooden dock as he pointed to the shallows.

    But he was in tears after he had to close the launch in late April after the city got involved because of the complaint. Victoria officials determined that he needed a conditional-use permit and contacted his family to lay out the options.

    “The choice was to either obtain a proper permit to continue operating the landing as a home occupation or to close it,” said Holly Kreft, community development director.

    Mary Leizinger, the wife of Archie’s nephew, said the reason for the complaint goes deeper. “It’s about trying to limit public access to the lake,” she said. “A few people prefer the lake to be private for only the homeowners here.” The family has operated the boat launch since 1933, she said, and it’s the only one left on the lake.

    Archie’s mental disabilities prompted his parents to take him out of school after the second grade, she said, and raise him at home.

    Once the family heard their options from the city, it closed the landing while debating what to do. The permit would cost $1,500, and only a handful of boats use the small launch each week. It lies at the bottom of a steep, paved hill, with parking for about six vehicles and trailers.

    Leizinger and other family members realized that Archie stays fit by charging up and down the hill to greet fishermen, and that the social contact with them gives his life purpose and meaning. She said Archie “took it pretty hard” when they told him he couldn’t open the landing in May. “He was pretty weepy and crying about it, and he was pretty upset,” she said.

    The family applied for the permit June 12 so it could reopen the launch, and has been working with city officials on its conditions.

    Various complaints

    City council member Kim Roden lives on the lake, and said she has become a “complaint box” about lake problems for the past several years. Roden said that Archie’s Landing has allowed people onto the lake who have upset her and others.

    “We have wakeboarders who are eroding our shoreline, we have rude fishermen who won’t yield, and if we don’t do mandatory inspections or something else, we’re now going to have zebra mussels,” she said.

    Roden said fishermen park in front of people’s docks for hours, catching enormous numbers of sunfish and then throwing them back into the lake. She said she called the Leizinger family to complain, and they told her to call the sheriff.

    Glazer said the few people who use Archie’s Landing can hardly be blamed for troubles on the lake. The lake is known to bass fishermen, he said, and some of them have donated money to Archie’s family to help pay the one-time permit fee.

    Glazer said that sometimes new lakeshore owners don’t understand that lakes are public waters, and that anglers have rights to fish on them. He said that all of his encounters with homeowners on Shutz Lake over the years have been positive.

    Ready to re-open

    The Shutz Lake Association has discussed the issue, and two weeks ago its board of directors voted to support Archie’s family in its pursuit of a permit, said the group’s president, Lance Fisher. But the association decided not to specify any particular concerns or conditions that should be attached to the permit, he said. About 30 houses are on the lake, which is also bordered by Carver Prk Reserve.

    Kreft said the city has worked with the family on permit conditions for the landing, which include access and hours of operation, parking, signage at the launch, dock repair or replacement, and composting, recycling and trash collection.

    Concerns about zebra mussels are “not relevant” to the city’s zoning ordinance for operating a business out of a home, Kreft said. The five-member Planning Commission must ultimately recommend to the City Council whether to accept, modify or deny the permit.

    Mary Leizinger said that Archie cannot understand the process, but has been told that the family is having meetings and doing paperwork to try to reopen the launch.

    Archie’s ready for that, and said he wants to see his fishermen friends.

    Last week he stood on shore, next to a small wooden paybox with a slot on top that a friend made to collect fees. A pontoon motored by, and Archie leapt onto the dock, flapping and waving his long arms, whooping with a child’s delight.

    Tom Meersman • 612-673-7388

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1080669

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    City council member Kim Roden lives on the lake, and said she has become a “complaint box” about lake problems for the past several years. Roden said that Archie’s Landing has allowed people onto the lake who have upset her and others.

    “We have wakeboarders who are eroding our shoreline, we have rude fishermen who won’t yield, and if we don’t do mandatory inspections or something else, we’re now going to have zebra mussels,” she said.

    Roden said fishermen park in front of people’s docks for hours, catching enormous numbers of sunfish and then throwing them back into the lake. She said she called the Leizinger family to complain, and they told her to call the sheriff.



    What a [censored].

    Hopefully the Association helps without attaching unreasonable stipulations. I want to go fish the lake now, not for the bass, but to meet Archie.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1080672

    Quote:


    City council member Kim Roden lives on the lake, and said she has become a “complaint box” about lake problems for the past several years. Roden said that Archie’s Landing has allowed people onto the lake who have upset her and others.

    “We have wakeboarders who are eroding our shoreline, we have rude fishermen who won’t yield, and if we don’t do mandatory inspections or something else, we’re now going to have zebra mussels,” she said.

    Roden said fishermen park in front of people’s docks for hours, catching enormous numbers of sunfish and then throwing them back into the lake. She said she called the Leizinger family to complain, and they told her to call the sheriff.


    It’s the end of fishing as we know it.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1080673

    Quote:


    I want to go fish the lake now, not for the bass, but to meet Archie.


    It’s one of the few times I feel compelled to take my plug out of my boat, travel over there… and sit on her dock just to throw sunfish back in the lake.

    carroll58
    Twin Cities, USA
    Posts: 2094
    #1080676

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    City council member Kim Roden lives on the lake, and said she has become a “complaint box” about lake problems for the past several years. Roden said that Archie’s Landing has allowed people onto the lake who have upset her and others.

    “We have wakeboarders who are eroding our shoreline, we have rude fishermen who won’t yield, and if we don’t do mandatory inspections or something else, we’re now going to have zebra mussels,” she said.

    Roden said fishermen park in front of people’s docks for hours, catching enormous numbers of sunfish and then throwing them back into the lake. She said she called the Leizinger family to complain, and they told her to call the sheriff.



    What a [censored].

    Hopefully the Association helps without attaching unreasonable stipulations. I want to go fish the lake now, not for the bass, but to meet Archie.


    Same here, I think I will drive over there tomorrow morning just to meet Archie and give him a donation.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1080678

    Quote:


    Quote:


    I want to go fish the lake now, not for the bass, but to meet Archie.


    It’s one of the few times I feel compelled to take my plug out of my boat, travel over there… and sit on her dock just to throw sunfish back in the lake.



    Might be a good place to go with Bob once the launch is up and running.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1080680

    It’s her lake and her fish.

    How would you like it to look out your window at a beautiful lake and see people in a boat…right next to your dock fishing! They didn’t pay that kind of money for lake shore property to look at fishermen!

    Seriously, this has nothing to do with the gentlemen that’s running the launch and everything to do with the “lake grab” that’s going to be rippling through out the State.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1080682

    Kim Roden likes hanging out by HER lake and doesn’t like fishermen ogling her fat [censored].

    Does anyone notice the Crisis Creep? She probably didn’t even know what the heck a Zebra mussel was until she got whipped up into hysterics when she heard about it.

    dfresh
    Fridley, MN
    Posts: 3053
    #1080687

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    Why would someone complain about catch and release fishing? Unless those people are throwing back dead fish I don’t understand what the problem is?


    Because it is her property from property line to property line extending all the way across the lake, duh.

    buckshot
    Rochester, MN
    Posts: 1654
    #1080688

    Why can’t people just mind their own business anymore?? This poor guy does this because he loves it and the people he meets…it isn’t about the money.
    I suppose the next thing we’ll hear about is the IRS auditing this guy because he hasn’t claimed the “business income” of a handful of boats at $6 a week.

    Just when I think I’ve seen or heard the stupidest thing possible….someone steps up and outdoes the previous jack wagon.

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18631
    #1080694

    **** her and the people taking her seriously. And **** the people taking OUR public accesses away. We all better get involved or this trend will continue to take our public lands from is

    Pig-hunter
    Southern Minnesota
    Posts: 600
    #1080701

    This is what makes people hate rich lakeshore owners. A whole lot of them are pricks. Let the ole boy have his access, make a few bucks and BS with fisherman.

    This lady really did it now. Once that access opens back up people will be lining up to overrun the lake, just in spite of her and her rich prick friends.

    This kind of lake “privatization” has to end! This is BS. Hunting is already a priveledges rich mans sport. Lets not let fishing go that way also!!

    Buzz
    Minneapolis MN
    Posts: 1814
    #1080703

    Suzuki’s got it right. Time for anglers and boaters to start participating in the conversation. Sounds like the Shutz lake association and the City are supportive of helping Archie. Maybe we could thank them for this? Activism is more then just vilifying LA’s for their actions. We only have a handful of LA’s that don’t get it, not hundreds.

    redneck
    Rosemount
    Posts: 2627
    #1080706

    “Archie charges $6 a boat and a Dr Pepper”. Come on guys—isn’t there someone on here who has ties to Dr. Pepper? This is clearly a slap at them and they should get their corporate lawyers involved What a great Dr. Pepper commercial this would make—he is obviously a Pepper and is being discriminated against because of it.

    lhprop1
    Eagan
    Posts: 1899
    #1080707

    I say we all go there to support Archie/annoy Mrs Roden(t) when the access reopens.

    My only question is, does he prefer his Dr Pepper in a can or a bottle?

    carroll58
    Twin Cities, USA
    Posts: 2094
    #1080708

    Ok, Sportsmen & women,

    Donations may be sent to his guardian

    Sue Leizinger
    16010 Excelsior Blvd.
    Minnetonka, MN 55345-5408

    The Victoria Planning commission meeting is tonight at 6:30pm, hope to see others there, I’ll be there.

    Carroll

    PS: Mary added that they have the support of the Minnesota Bass Federation.

    timmy
    Posts: 1960
    #1080711

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    This lady really did it now. Once that access opens back up people will be lining up to overrun the lake, just in spite of her and her rich prick friends.


    Boy oh boy do I hope this happens. Tons of boat traffic and people infringing on HER lake…… that would be great!

    Pig-hunter
    Southern Minnesota
    Posts: 600
    #1080712

    If someone could keep us updated, lets plan it. urine on her.

    Quote:


    Quote:


    This lady really did it now. Once that access opens back up people will be lining up to overrun the lake, just in spite of her and her rich prick friends.


    Boy oh boy do I hope this happens. Tons of boat traffic and people infringing on HER lake…… that would be great!


    hisser
    Chatfield, Mn
    Posts: 158
    #1080714

    Quote:


    Suzuki’s got it right. Time for anglers and boaters to start participating in the conversation. Sounds like the Shutz lake association and the City are supportive of helping Archie. Maybe we could thank them for this? Activism is more then just vilifying LA’s for their actions. We only have a handful of LA’s that don’t get it, not hundreds.


    How about posting the emails for those people that can address these issues at the state level here and then each and every one of us do our part by voicing our opinions to them.

    stcroixer
    Croix Valley
    Posts: 689
    #1080719

    Quote:


    Ok, Sportsmen & women,

    Donations may be sent to his guardian

    Sue Leizinger
    16010 Excelsior Blvd.
    Minnetonka, MN 55345-5408

    The Victoria Planning commission meeting is tonight at 6:30pm, hope to see others there, I’ll be there.

    Carroll

    PS: Mary added that they have the support of the Minnesota Bass Federation.



    I want to help, but where did you get this info? Was the info verified somehow? Thanks.

    carroll58
    Twin Cities, USA
    Posts: 2094
    #1080723

    Quote:


    Quote:


    Ok, Sportsmen & women,

    Donations may be sent to his guardian

    Sue Leizinger
    16010 Excelsior Blvd.
    Minnetonka, MN 55345-5408

    The Victoria Planning commission meeting is tonight at 6:30pm, hope to see others there, I’ll be there.

    Carroll

    PS: Mary added that they have the support of the Minnesota Bass Federation.



    I want to help, but where did you get this info? Was the info verified somehow? Thanks.


    I googled the name Mary Leizinger from the article, got a link from Re/max real eastate in Eden Prairie. Info. said she and her husband live in Victoria along with other links. I sent an email to Mary and got a nice reply back with the information. They are mainly looking out for Archie’s social welfare and desire to keep the access open as it has been since the 1930’s.

    stcroixer
    Croix Valley
    Posts: 689
    #1080724

    thanks, good enough for me.

    super_do
    St Michael, MN
    Posts: 1089
    #1080726

    How do the lakeshore owners get their boats in and out of the lake? Maybe they should have thought of that first

    carroll58
    Twin Cities, USA
    Posts: 2094
    #1080727

    To contact the City to state your opinion on this, here are contacts. I would urge you to write an email and copy it to each of the following staff and ask that it be read on this evenings meeting:

    City of Victoria contact list

    Position Contact Name Phone Email :

    Mayor Mary Hershberger Thun (952) 470-1212 [email protected]

    Administration
    City Administrator Don Uram (952) 443-4211 [email protected]

    City Clerk Jennifer Kretsch (952) 443-4212 [email protected]

    Planning & Community Development
    Community Development Director Holly Kreft (952) 443-4218 [email protected]

    My reason for not needing a permit, etc. is that:

    1) Archie should have been grandfathered in since he was operating prior to any zoning laws & regulations.

    2) He is providing a valuable public service not at a profit, when you consider expenses including property taxes.

    3) If the City continues to force the closure, we will fight to place a larger PUBLIC ACCESS on the Three Rivers Park Property.

    I will update this following the meeting this evening.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1080733

    I think Archie should be our poster boy to start fighting back. And I am not being a jerk, I really mean it. He is a great example of how the MN DNR, Lake Associations and Public Official are taking the fun out of boating and fishing. Let me modify that with some.

    The question is where to start. Maybe a simple start is to start a petition online to collect email addresses and to be able to deliver a list to all the AIS bullies?

    Quite frankly we have a new problem to deal with. Invasive BS. Otherwise known as IBS!

    Paul Heise
    River Falls, Wi
    Posts: 723
    #1080746

    Quote:


    How do the lakeshore owners get their boats in and out of the lake? Maybe they should have thought of that first



    My thoughts exactly! They will still be using it after closure i’m sure! Or at least have gate keyes. Selfish bass turds. Its amazing how many rich people become solitary trolls. Let the guy have his form of socializing. Its probably added years to his life!

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1080747

    More to the story:

    Quote:


    A review of lake and boating rules and usage may mean an end to a Victoria man’s boat launch business. For years, Archie Leizinger has rented row boats on his property on Schutz Lake for a nominal fee, but the city may put a stop to it.

    The issue came up when Greg Kurowski of the Schutz Lake Skiers Association wanted to apply for a water obstacle permit on the lake. In past years the permit approval has been routine, but this year, complaints by neighbors on the lake triggered an inquiry.

    No complaints came to the city. Instead, City Councilor Kim Roden said she’d been contacted by a homeowner on the lake about a boater violating the no-wake area. The resident provided Roden with photos of the boat and skier, showing they were too close to shore.

    Kurowski said he recognized the individual and apologized on his behalf.

    “I think we’ve gotten complacent,” Roden said, and addressed Kurowski. “I ask you to help us get out the word that there are rules.”

    “We’ll actively and rigorously get the word out,” Kurowski told the council.

    Roden then brought up another concern that had been raised, the potential for a zebra mussel infestation. The matter was brought to her attention that while Schutz Lake does not have a public access, Leizinger had been known to allow boaters to launch boats from his property.

    With the zebra mussel threat in Minnesota lakes, Roden said that unfettered access to the lake shouldn’t be allowed to continue, and that if Leizinger is operating a small business out of his home, he should be subject to applying for a conditional-use permit.

    “There is no mechanism in place to check boats (for zebra mussels),” Roden said.


    Definition of UNFETTERED

    : free, unrestrained <unfettered access>

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1080749

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    Position Contact Name Phone Email :

    Mayor Mary Hershberger Thun (952) 470-1212 [email protected]

    Administration
    City Administrator Don Uram (952) 443-4211 [email protected]

    City Clerk Jennifer Kretsch (952) 443-4212 [email protected]

    Planning & Community Development
    Community Development Director Holly Kreft (952) 443-4218 [email protected]


    Calling or sending an email before tonight is the first step Ryan.

    stuwest
    Elmwood, WI
    Posts: 2254
    #1080752

    i sent each of them an email subject lined: FREE ARCHIE…

    think they’ll notice that i live in Wi??

    lhprop1
    Eagan
    Posts: 1899
    #1080759

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    i sent each of them an email subject lined: FREE ARCHIE…

    think they’ll notice that i live in Wi??


    Only if you put your physical address in your email.

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