Sufix Performance and 832 Advanced Lead Core Lines

In a recent post by James Holst on Lead Core and Cranks on Mille Lacs it was noted that they were using the new Sufix Performance Lead Core Line and getting extremely deep for what we are used to. it was surmised that the sheath on the Sufix Performance Lead Core must be thinner than the normal nylon sheath on most other lead core lines allowing less drag and more sink per color and less overall line out to achieve a given depth. I found the tech data for the Sufix Performance Lead Core and took a look at it against Western Filaments Tuf-Line Lead Core to see for myself. Here is what I found:

Diamater in inches

Lb Test / Sufix 832 / Western Filament

12 / .021 / .025

15 / .022 / .030

18 / .025 / .037

27 / .029 / .045

36 / .033 / .056

The diamaters are quite a bit different explaining a difference in the running depth of the Sufix vs. other lead core lines (Western Filaments Tuf-Line assumed to closely mimic other nylon coated lead cores). As lb test goes up the difference in line diameter is greater and the difference in sink rate is also likely to be even greater as well. This is similar in concept to the reason that cranks go deeper on braid than on mono of equivalent lb. test.

Looks like I might have to spool up a couple of reels with the Sufix and give it a try!!!

Any idea what the diameter of the lead filament in the middle is??

Then, there is the question of the density of the lead as tin can be mixed with it, lightening the density, but strengthening the fiber…

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Then, there is the question of the density of the lead as tin can be mixed with it, lightening the density, but strengthening the fiber…

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Tin in lead makes it harder-stiffer without changing the density by a whole bunch..(I mix 1% tin with my cast handgun bullets)

I don’t think they want leadcore line to be hard or stiff..

I’d be looking at line diameter vs breaking weight. The lead thread wouldn’t have much bearing on anything.

Au Contraire!! It would have a lot to do with sink rate…

I agree with little influence on break strength.

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In a recent post by James Holst on <a href=”http:://www.idofishing.com/forum/showflat.php/Number/1143509/fpart” target=”_blank”>Lead Core and Cranks on Mille Lacs</a> it was noted that they were using the new Sufix Performance Lead Core Line and getting extremely deep for what we are used to. it was surmised that the sheath on the Sufix Performance Lead Core must be thinner than the normal nylon sheath on most other lead core lines allowing less drag and more sink per color and less overall line out to achieve a given depth. I found the tech data for the Sufix Performance Lead Core and took a look at it against Western Filaments Tuf-Line Lead Core to see for myself. Here is what I found:
Diamater in inches
Lb Test / Sufix 832 / Western Filament
12 / .021 / .025
15 / .022 / .030
18 / .025 / .037
27 / .029 / .045
36 / .033 / .056

As you can see, the diamaters are different explaining a difference in the running depth of the Sufix vs. other lead core lines (Western Filaments Tuf-Line assumed to closely mimic other nylon coated lead cores). As lb test goes up the difference in line diameter is greater and the difference in sink rate is also likely to be even greater as well. This is similar in concept to the reason that cranks go deeper on braid than on mono of equivalent lb. test.

Looks like I might have to spool up a couple of reels with the Sufix and give it a try!!!

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Just to clarify, I wasn’t using Suffix Performance Leadcore noted in this post. I was using Suffix Advanced Leadcore.

Suffix ADVANCED 832 Leadcore

30% deeper. 70% stronger. To my knowledge 832 Advanced is only offered in 12# and 18# diameters as the added strength at those diameters makes 27# obsolete in my opinion.

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Then, there is the question of the density of the lead as tin can be mixed with it, lightening the density, but strengthening the fiber…

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The strength gain doesn’t come from the internal lead filament, it comes from the change in the outer sheath.

Given that the manufacturer claims a 30% increase in depth (I’m actually seeing more than 30% in my trials) I think that it goes without saying that they’re not using a less dense material in the filament.

James are you using the 12 or 18# test?

i’m only guessing also, but i’d suspect that the lead filament is the same and that the gain comes from less friction on a smaller diameter outer sheath, as specified. Narrower will sink faster in equal densities.

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James are you using the 12 or 18# test?

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I used #18 in the report cited. Here’s that link >>> http://www.idofishing.com/forum/showflat.php/Number/1144795

I had hoped to try the 12# yesterday but ran out of time. I’ll share more on the 12# after I kick the tires on it next week up to Rainy.

If the new Suffix 832 is as strong as they claim (70% increase) and things go well in testing I’m sure I’ll be switching everything over to the 12# going forward.

I’m thinking with the diameter of this new lead core I might be able to get ten colors on the size 27 Diawa’s.

i get 7 colors on my 27s, so if the reported diameters are correct, you should be able to get 10 on.

BUT, since it also sinks 30% faster, WHERE would you use it other than Superior or Michigan…(which are reasonable applications for some people) I’m seeing this as a line that makes 5 colors MORE than enuf…

James- Any idea what the relative costs are??

Suffix 832 is $29.99 at cabelas for 100 yards

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BUT, since it also sinks 30% faster, WHERE would you use it other than Superior or Michigan…

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Lake Pepin for one.

Well I guess I screwed that up. Sorry James. Here is the spec sheet on the Suffix 832 Advanced Lead Core. According to this, it has a larger diameter than the Sufix Performance Lead Core I did the original comparison on which has a polyester sheath. The 832 Advanced has a dyneema/gore sheath and comes in at .022 inches for 12 lb and .027 inches for 18 lb test. Still has to be the difference in the sheath material being thinner allowing an overall denser cross section that is allowing it to go deeper than dacron / nylon coated lead cores. They are also claiming better sensitivity which would be solely a function of the sheath as the lead is not utilized in the connections to the backing or leaders. James – any observations on the sensitivity of this new lead core?

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If the new Suffix 832 is as strong as they claim (70% increase) and things go well in testing I’m sure I’ll be switching everything over to the 12# going forward.

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I will be looking forward to your findings James I am in need of new leadcore line.

with most of the water in pepin down 30 at most, i’m not sure the new line will help much. only a couple of 60′ holes there.

but on LOW, Rainy, even Leech it will help and definitely on Superior and Michigan…

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James are you using the 12 or 18# test?

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I used #18 in the report cited. Here’s that link >>> http://www.idofishing.com/forum/showflat.php/Number/1144795

I had hoped to try the 12# yesterday but ran out of time. I’ll share more on the 12# after I kick the tires on it next week up to Rainy.

If the new Suffix 832 is as strong as they claim (70% increase) and things go well in testing I’m sure I’ll be switching everything over to the 12# going forward.

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Are the depths of 8′ per color that you’re seeing at speeds of 2 mph? Also are you achieving these depths with both shallow diving stick baits and deep divers?

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Are the depths of 8′ per color that you’re seeing at speeds of 2 mph? Also are you achieving these depths with both shallow diving stick baits and deep divers?

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So far I’ve only used the new 832 leadcore with deep diving crankbaits like Deep Husky Jerks, Deep Thundersticks and the Trolls To -15’s. I can’t comment on how it will perform with shallow running stickbaits but hope to check on that, and how the 832 performs fishing in current, soon.