MPLS Parks and Rec Board – my response

  • Grouse_Dog
    The Shores of Lake Harriet
    Posts: 2043
    #1277897

    Brad –

    Thank you for the quick response and I appreciate the concern.

    It would be interesting to understand the parks definition of recreational user and how the zebra mussel would spell disaster for the lake that is designated for recreational use.

    Calhoun and Harriet are literally choked with Eurasian milfoil. Making the lake, from 0-5 feet almost useless. The corresponding growth, decay and algae bloom that occurs is not beautiful and does not make the lake very “user friendly” for the recreational user. Cutting and treating the lake with chemicals is not very safe for the people that swim, the fish that live there. Yet, this has been acceptable practice for years. Just a simple orange sign – stating that the water has been treated with a herbicide. Frankly – scary.

    The bloom also corresponds with the heavy run-off that finds its way into the lakes. Fertilizers, oils, metals, etc. are also found with higher that healthy levels in these lakes.

    There is also an over population of carp. Another exotic that is harmful to the recreational use of the lake. No action has been taken to remove them.

    Now, we are talking about a zebra mussel – whose eggs are likely microscopic. They are probably moved from body of water by both vessel and bird. I am not confident that we can stop this infestation from our waterfowls migration patterns.

    Lastly, have you been in a lake that has been infested with zebra mussels? The water is crystal clear – something that is likely highly desirable for most or our City’s recreational user. I guess that depends how we ultimately define recreational user.

    I welcome more science and less scare through uninformed and poorly assembled strategies.

    Thanks

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1079884

    Smooth!

    I can answer your question for him though. Recreational boater = Calhoun Yacht Club who rent out moorings each summer. Oh wait, I see what you are doing there. You are fishing, aren’t you! Set the hook on this tool.

    desperado
    Posts: 3010
    #1079886

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    I can answer your question for him though. Recreational boater = Calhoun Yacht Club who rent out moorings each summer.


    So the Yacht Club members have found a way to limit the number of undesirables from the surface of “their” lake ?
    Say it ain’t so !

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18621
    #1079887

    You mean the minority (rich) is jerking around the majority (everyone else). History shows us this usually doesnt turn out well.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1079890

    Poor people can own sailboats too you know.

    ccales
    Mpls, MN
    Posts: 78
    #1079891

    Well done Grouse.

    I will be writing as well. Not just to the park board but to my city councilwoman.

    desperado
    Posts: 3010
    #1079894

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    Poor people can own sailboats too you know.


    Yup, but they probably don’t belong to the yacht club.

    More likely use the (now limited) “public access” to launch their boat along with the rest of the “unwashed masses”.

    Grouse_Dog
    The Shores of Lake Harriet
    Posts: 2043
    #1079896

    Quote:


    Quote:


    Poor people can own sailboats too you know.


    Yup, but they probably don’t belong to the yacht club.

    More likely use the (now limited) “public access” to launch their boat along with the rest of the “unwashed masses”.


    You are a little confused about Lake Harriet and Lake Calhoun. The “yachts” are about 14-18 feet in length. Small sailboats.

    Dog

    Grouse_Dog
    The Shores of Lake Harriet
    Posts: 2043
    #1079897

    Quote:


    Well done Grouse.

    I will be writing as well. Not just to the park board but to my city councilwoman.


    It has started with Besty Hodges – my councilwoman – and now I am dealing with the Park Board and the DNR. She was good enought to forward my initial letter to the Board and I am now in communication with them.

    This is very odd and not much substance coming back from the Park Board.

    Dog

    Buzz
    Minneapolis MN
    Posts: 1814
    #1079898

    G-Dog, I’m not sure your on very firm ground with your bird theory or the benefits of Zebs. ZM are spread by boats, water and trailers. I’m very concerned that sail boats from Tonka and other ZM lakes will spread them to the city lakes.

    The argument I’d make is if this made any preventative sense, why hasn’t the MDNR gone in that direction? Could it be that these are public waters that constitutionally are open to the public and the Fish and Game Amendment protects our rights?

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1079900

    Quote:


    I’m not sure your on very firm ground with your bird theory or the benefits of Zebs.


    Just because there isn’t a documented case that birds and animals haven’t spread zeb’s, doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen…does it?

    desperado
    Posts: 3010
    #1079911

    Quote:


    You are a little confused about Lake Harriet and Lake Calhoun. The “yachts” are about 14-18 feet in length. Small sailboats.

    Dog


    and mooring fees for a season? (vs using the public access)

    granted it ain’t anywhere near as cost prohibitive as a seasonal slip rental on Tonka or the Croix, but it ain’t “poor” people either

    desperado
    Posts: 3010
    #1079917

    But it really isn’t the level of income (or wealth) that’s the issue, right?

    Isn’t it more the “want to limit access to our lake” attitude; which stems from the erroneous perception that it’s their lake?

    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13294
    #1079962

    Quote:


    Quote:


    I’m not sure your on very firm ground with your bird theory or the benefits of Zebs.


    Just because there isn’t a documented case that birds and animals haven’t spread zeb’s, doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen…does it?


    They dont carry zebs Brian. They are to busy carrying other things like, bugs, sticks, grass, seeds, fish, small critters, other birds, and a very long list of other item to bother with packing zebs around. Only humans carry zebs. Keep us people away from those lakes and they should be good to go for everyone to enjoy.

    mfreeman451
    Posts: 543
    #1079969

    I agree with your points but I’m kinda shocked you wrote that, I don’t think you’re going to get a good response from them with that kinda tone..

    Grouse_Dog
    The Shores of Lake Harriet
    Posts: 2043
    #1079976

    Quote:


    I agree with your points but I’m kinda shocked you wrote that, I don’t think you’re going to get a good response from them with that kinda tone..


    It is important to understand your audience and their agenda, when dealing with anyone. I am not dealing with a rationale group of people that are thoughtful with their decisions. The fact that they met and had an emergency vote on this matter – says enough. No outside input from DNR, U of M, etc. They didn’t even take the time to do a study to see if the zebra mussel is already present in any of the lakes. Seems like a ready fire, aim approach that nobody appreciates.

    This was a knee jerk decision to limit access. Agenda TBD. I think they want to keep the fisherman off the lakes.

    Now they can answer for their actions. They are elected officials.

    I am already well down the road with actionable items….

    I already received my “response” from them. I am not looking for words – I am looking for corrective action.

    DNR is already involved, too. They don’t seem real interested in stocking a lake with limited access.

    More to follow….

    Dog

    Grouse_Dog
    The Shores of Lake Harriet
    Posts: 2043
    #1079979

    Quote:


    But it really isn’t the level of income (or wealth) that’s the issue, right?

    Isn’t it more the “want to limit access to our lake” attitude; which stems from the erroneous perception that it’s their lake?


    Unfortunately, it is 100 % inside a Park and it is their access…..

    Dog

    desperado
    Posts: 3010
    #1079987

    yup, and you stated it very well when you said it was “a knee jerk reaction to limit access; Agenda TBD”
    Agenda TBD … especially insightful

    My suspicions are kinda on the same track; Who/what was the motivation behind their agenda ?

    dank
    Minneapolis, MN
    Posts: 1123
    #1080004

    Hey dog-

    What’s Brad’s email? I need to follow up with him on my questions to her too. my thoughts are in the same line of quesitoning that you have…

    It’s great to have city lakes that we shre out wiht teh world that we have within and in VERY close proximity to downtown with large restrictions now on how you can and when you can use them.

    Grouse_Dog
    The Shores of Lake Harriet
    Posts: 2043
    #1080009

    PM Sent

    lhprop1
    Eagan
    Posts: 1899
    #1080392

    Quote:


    Poor people can own sailboats too you know.


    Hanging your skivvies on the stern light doesn’t make it a sailboat, Pug.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1080396

    You saw that video too huh?

    lhprop1
    Eagan
    Posts: 1899
    #1080408

    Quote:


    You saw that video too huh?


    Unfortunately. The brilliant glare made it hard to watch, though.

    The funny thing is, the skivvies aren’t what’s propelling the boat. It’s the breeze that was created when he took them off that makes that vessel cruise across the water.

    Full steam ahead!

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1080444

    Is there a video I have conveniently forgotten?

    lhprop1
    Eagan
    Posts: 1899
    #1080461

    Quote:


    Is there a video I have conveniently forgotten?


    You weren’t supposed to find out about it.

    Way to spill the beans, BK.

    desperado
    Posts: 3010
    #1080467

    Quote:


    Way to spill the beans, BK.


    Who entrusted Brian with “the beans” to begin with?

    You really didn’t think BK stood for “Bean Keeper”, did you ?

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18621
    #1080470

    Quote:


    Quote:


    Way to spill the beans, BK.


    Who entrusted Brian with “the beans” to begin with?
    You really didn’t think BK stood for “Bean Keeper”, did you ?


    bad karma

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1080474

    We’re all Box Buddies. Well I guess that didn’t work.

    hanson
    Posts: 728
    #1080550

    Anybody ever hear of Minnehaha Creek? Good grief… we don’t need people or boats or birds or aliens to spread these. Minnetonka is connected via Minnehaha Creek to the City Lakes and ultimately the Mississippi River. You’re already affected on both ends. Will just be a matter of time.

    The irony is the Minnehaha Creek Watershed District is the biggest PIA when it comes to dealing with development projects in the Cities. Their Creek will be the means that infests all the city lakes.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1080566

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    Their Creek will be the means that infests all the city lakes.


    I think the creek should be damned.

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