This rate is unacceptable

  • scottie56005
    Posts: 236
    #1277745

    “This rate is unacceptable,” said Maj. Phil Meier, DNR enforcement division operations manager. “The majority of violations could have been avoided if people had taken the time to change their routine when leaving lakes and rivers, and comply with (aquatic invasive species) laws.”

    Under Minnesota law, it is illegal to transport invasive aquatic plants and animals, as well as water, from lakes and rivers infested with zebra mussels and spiny waterfleas. Violators could face fines up to $500. Some penalty amounts will double beginning July 1.

    Show me a lab test that says I have any of those above listed items in/on my boat and I will pay the ticket. (AIS) is not water in my minnow bucket!

    This tax is unacceptable Mr. Meier!

    BBKK
    IA
    Posts: 4033
    #1076916

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    “This rate is unacceptable,” said Maj. Phil Meier, DNR enforcement division operations manager. “The majority of violations could have been avoided if people had taken the time to change their routine when leaving lakes and rivers, and comply with (aquatic invasive species) laws.”

    Under Minnesota law, it is illegal to transport invasive aquatic plants and animals, as well as water, from lakes and rivers infested with zebra mussels and spiny waterfleas. Violators could face fines up to $500. Some penalty amounts will double beginning July 1.

    Show me a lab test that says I have any of those above listed items in/on my boat and I will pay the ticket. (AIS) is not water in my minnow bucket!

    This tax is unacceptable Mr. Meier!


    I will bet you $500 that when you leave the ramp and head down the street you have AIS on and in your boat. Unless you hot wash it of course.

    What AIS could I be talking about? The Dreissena polymorpha.. In larvae stage.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1076921

    Early season report: Fishing license sales climb; AIS violation rate down

    By Joe Albert Associate Editor
    Posted on May 24, 2012

    St. Paul — A warm spring and delightful weather on opening weekend of the walleye season mean license sales are running well ahead of last year.

    Anglers have bought more than 413,000 fishing licenses this year, compared with just more than 344,000 at the same time last year.

    “I would say, good weather (in general) and nice weather on the opener is probably a good reason to get out fishing,” said Dirk Peterson, DNR Fisheries chief.

    Despite the uptick in sales, this year is just the ninth-highest sales figure at this time in the past 13 years. In 2000, for example, anglers had bought 461,549 licenses at this time. On the other hand, they’d bought just 338,491 at this time in 2008.

    But when it’s all said and done, the total number of fishing licenses sold all year likely will be around 1.1 million. Since 2000, the total number of fishing licenses sold has ranged from about 1.169 million (2009) to just less than 1.1 million (2011).

    “And there’s another half-a-million anglers who don’t need licenses – usually kids who are out there tossing a worm into the water,” Peterson said.

    When license sales lagged during the early part of last year, there was some concern that it reflected a decline in the number of people fishing. But sales ultimately picked up, though the total for the year likely was dragged down by the three-week state government shutdown, during which fishermen couldn’t buy licenses.

    “We’re always concerned about declining participation,” Peterson said. “We have seen that across the nation. It really hasn’t affected Minnesota much, but when we see lowered license sales, that is a concern.”

    Though fishing license sales in the state are relatively stable, Peterson noted the state’s population has been on the rise. The state’s population was estimated at 5.3 million during the most recent census.

    The estimate in 2000, for example, was about 4.9 million.

    “There is room for growth and room for people to take up fishing,” Peterson said.
    Invasives update

    Conservation officers have been busy enforcing the state’s aquatic invasive species laws.

    “Every officer in the state has dedicated additional time from opening of fishing through Memorial Day Weekend – above and beyond what they would normally do,” said Capt. Phil Meier, operations manager for the DNR Enforcement Division. “Our goal with that was to set the expectation for everyone utilizing our water resources that they can expect to be checked by conservation officers.”

    So far this year, the violation rate for aquatic invasive species laws has been about 12 percent. Last year, it was 18 percent.

    “It’s an improvement, but we still have a long way to go,” Meier said.

    During opening weekend, COs made more than 4,000 contacts with boaters. They wrote 70 criminal citations and 135 civil citations. It’s up to the officers’ discretion if they write a civil or criminal citation, he said.

    “Our goal is not to write tickets,” Meier said. “Our goal is to have everybody take the responsibility for their actions before going to or leaving a lake.”

    The most common violation officers see is boaters not removing their drain plugs and draining the water from their boats. And people seem to be having the hardest time with the requirement that they drain their bait buckets before leaving a body of water.

    Anglers should bring water with them (and ice, too, if the weather is warm), drain the water from the bait bucket, and then add the new water before leaving the access.

    Link to story<<

    Hmmmm…what changed?

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1076922

    Quote:


    I will bet you $500 that when you leave the ramp and head down the street you have AIS on and in your boat. Unless you hot wash it of course.

    What AIS could I be talking about? The Dreissena polymorpha.. In larvae stage.


    I’ll take that bet….although not for long. Christmas Lake will have Zebs by years end, I will bet.

    scottie56005
    Posts: 236
    #1076924

    Im not understanding how the clams get into my minnow bucket? If you know, the DNR would like to hire you as a level 2 inspector. Your rebuttal is valuable. Do tell!?

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1076932

    Quote:


    Im not understanding how the clams get into my minnow bucket? If you know, the DNR would like to hire you as a level 2 inspector. Your rebuttal is valuable. Do tell!?


    Scottie, this is the crux of the problem with this law.

    No on knows if there is or isn’t AIS in your boat or minnow bucket. It’s all about ease of enforcement. If the plug is out, any LE can tell the boats drained. I didn’t say there isn’t AIS in the hull of his boat, just that the LE can tell it’s drained. Ditto with minnow bucket water.

    I’m guilty for transporting AIS even if I’m not.

    This law is bass ackwards, and my apologies to the bass guys for using your favorite fish in vain.

    BBKK
    IA
    Posts: 4033
    #1076941

    Quote:


    Im not understanding how the clams get into my minnow bucket? If you know, the DNR would like to hire you as a level 2 inspector. Your rebuttal is valuable. Do tell!?


    They won’t unless you dunk the minnow bucket into the lake. Dreissena polymorpha larvae suspends in the water column and can be sucked into livewells and minnow buckets. Then at the next lake, when you dunk that minnow bucket in to get fresh water you just put a whole bunch of zebra mussel larvae in the new lake.

    BK you cant cheat and take the bet if you launch in a lake where there isn’t any zebs!

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1076942

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    BK you cant cheat and take the bet if you launch in a lake where there isn’t any zebs!


    That’s what I’m saying…stop changing the rules!

    Snap
    Posts: 264
    #1076951

    These new AIS laws are making me regret buying a boat and fishing license. I understand just pulling a boat down the road now is just cause to be pulled over and searched. Anyone know if this is true?

    The previous poster makes an excellent point. Having your plug in does not prove you’re transporting an AIS. Wonder if this would hold in court?

    I say the faster AIS spreads the sooner we’ll be free from these ridonkulous, invasive, impudent laws.

    I read two consecutive artices in the paper. The first was on the impending doom and disaster about to befall the mighty Miss due to a new phenomenon called runoff causing increased turbidity in the river. The next warned of impending doom and disaster about to utterly destroy our fragile way of life due to zebra muscles which decrease turbidity in rivers.

    Now i’m no rocket mechanic but maybe someone has overlooked something.

    Can someone tell me exactly why non-native zebra mussels are so bad we need to spend multi-millions of dollars and potentially put people in jail in a futile effort trying to control their spread then on the other hand we’re told we need to spend multi-millions of dollars in order to ENCOURAGE the spread of other equally non-native species like rainbow/brown trout and ringneck pheasants?

    redneck
    Rosemount
    Posts: 2627
    #1076970

    My boat leaves Pool 3 or 4 and the next time it goes in the water it is in Pools 3 or 4—-how the heck can I be transporting anything I have already had one incident this year where I put the boat in and noticed that it felt sluggish and remembered I had forgotten to put the plug in—-with the current and flow as high as it was that day it could have been bad if I had not noticed the plug was out when I did. Is it going to take the loss of a life before they figure out how rediculous this law really is???? My plug out going down the highway doesn’t do any good to anyone but it is a feel good measure by the powers that be. If they want to do something about invasive species then they need to start dealing with them at the source and now after the cow is out of the barn. How many species have come in in the balast water of the freighters coming into Lake Superior???? Maybe they should pull their plug out in international waters and stop harrassing the little guy. This situation would be hilarious if it wasn’t so very sad. This whole thing reeks of the Keystone Kops

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1076974

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    The previous poster makes an excellent point. Having your plug in does not prove you’re transporting an AIS. Wonder if this would hold in court?



    The law isn’t you cannot transport AIS. The law is you must have your plug pulled. That will hold up in court. And to expand on that, if someone wanted to challenge the actual law, I don’t think it would hold water, so to speak. I don’t think it is unreasonable in the eyes of the court, although you might have a case with forced inspections, but I doubt it. They used to do random DWI checks and challenges to that failed.

    Don’t get me wrong, I am not a proponent for how aggressively the state is pursuing slowing the spread of AIS. I do think pulling the plug when you leave a body of water is pretty reasonable. And that is despite having my nephew and my brother’s boats fill up because they forgot to put the plug in. I don’t think they will make that mistake again.

    But what do I know? I am a guy who dumps his bait into the lake when he is done. Just kidding. Or am I?

    Brian if the authorities come asking for my real name and address, don’t give it up!

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1076985

    Got your back Mike.

    carroll58
    Twin Cities, USA
    Posts: 2094
    #1077010

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    “This rate is unacceptable,” said Maj. Phil Meier, DNR enforcement division operations manager. “The majority of violations could have been avoided if people had taken the time to change their routine when leaving lakes and rivers, and comply with (aquatic invasive species) laws.”


    I find this puzzling and odd since the “Private” City/County hired DNR Trained Inspectors really don’t seem to know much at all about what to look for besides anything green hanging off the trailer/boat. I’ve watched a number of Wake &/or Ski boats just get a cursory glance and the “Standard Survey Questions: 1) When & Where were you last on the water. 2) When & Where are you going to launch next.” While I’ve been asked to open my livewell (only by one guy that asked more questions than any other).

    At least they are walking around the boat and checking for themselves, unlike past years when they would mostly just sit in their chair and ask the questions.

    I’ve also witness them being late to work with 2-8 boats already launched before they casually drive in approx. ½ hour late +/-. I’ve heard of a certain gated lake access (that got quite a bit of press in the last year) where the Inspectors have been late a few times.

    I have asked them if they require people to tip their rear trolling motors? I get mostly dumb inquisitive looks, like why? Then I show them the prop that hold 8-10 oz. of potentially infested water. Not one of these “Inspectors” has ever seen or thought of that, all have said they were not taught that by our DNR in their training.

    With all this said, I would bet the rate of non-compliance is much higher

    blackbay
    Posts: 699
    #1077044

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    Hmmmm…what changed?


    The water got warm and out came the pleasure boaters.

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18615
    #1077082

    **** you major phil. They should have just put more money into education and skipped the laws. They cant possibly enforce them all to any great extent. Instead through confusion and fear lake associations are trying to lock down lakes and some people are giving up boating/fishing activities because they aren’t sure and its not worth risking violation. This has turned into such a mess. I hope Wis is watching and learning.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1077102

    I can’t believe it is causing people to stop fishing and/or boating. However, it social engineering at its finest. They make it a pain to go to certain lakes or the public spreads the word and it sounds like a pain and less people go to those lakes. Then these people get to have THEIR lakes all to themselves.

    I agree completely. All this money and time being spent could be being spent doing surveys and actual fish management work. Instead it is just enabling these associations.

    At some point we will revolt. I predict at some point we will have IDOers and other fishermen forming armadas to visit these launches and make a pass around the lake.

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18615
    #1077116

    We start with watergate Marina and go from there.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1077120

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    We start with watergate Marina and go from there.



    I don’t know what the tipping point is. I suspect right now it is happening to smaller lakes that if you fish it, you are upset. If you don’t fish it, you blow it off. Once this crap happens to a couple dozen lakes, then you get enough collective momentum where there will be push back.

    THe more and longer this goes on, the greater the disdain I get for some at the DNR who decided all this crap was needed and a good idea. They are just a bunch of enablers and are just as much at fault as the lake associations.

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