Meeting this Thursday, 6pm
Once again, they got the ball rolling
They want to Force people to drive 8-miles out of their way to wait for incompetent inspectors that don’t show up for work on time to get their boat and trailer inspected and then return to a gated ramp, hoping the code works.
I’ll be there speaking against this waste of tax dollars for Lake Bavaria on the Chaska/Victoria border. 
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The invasive species are detested for their abilities to clog pipes, cut swimmers feet, affect game fish populations and impact lakeshore home values.
Detested I say!
Do zeebs really impact lakeshore home values? Really? How about carp, do they affect lake shore value? Is that even a good point? If the cemetary wasn’t across the street and my neighbors cottonwoods were cut down, I could improve my homes value too. Can I get the county to pay for that?
One of the inspection problems is the inconsistency between counties. One county has inspections the next county doesn’t.
There needs to be some state leadership here.
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The invasive species are detested for their abilities to clog pipes, cut swimmers feet, affect game fish populations and impact lakeshore home values.
Detested I say!Do zeebs really impact lakeshore home values? Really? How about carp, do they affect lake shore value? Is that even a good point? If the cemetary wasn’t across the street and my neighbors cottonwoods were cut down, I could improve my homes value too. Can I get the county to pay for that?
Would you buy a house with a nice beach full of zebra mussels to the point you couldn’t swim? Most people here would say screw the beach, I’d go fishing.. but probably more than half of the people who live on a lake are there for partying, unless you buy a fishing cabin or something to the sort.
Maybe I’m wrong, so correct me if I am….
If a lake has a MN DNR public access on it, is it even legal to regulate access to the lake via local zoning or other methods? I always thought if a lake had no legal DNR public access, the DNR would not manage it in any way – and if it is a “state” owned/regulated access I can’t see how lakeshore owners can gate it off. Am I missing something here?
Lake associations have plenty of power, but to close off a public access or to thoroughly regulate it on thier own terms (via a private gate and/or inspections) does not seem legal to me. ??? 
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Would you buy a house with a nice beach full of zebra mussels to the point you couldn’t swim?
I’d have as much of a problem with a seller try to call a rocky area a beach/swimming beach. Zebra mussels don’t live on beaches.
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Maybe I’m wrong, so correct me if I am….
If a lake has a MN DNR public access on it, is it even legal to regulate access to the lake via local zoning or other methods? I always thought if a lake had no legal DNR public access, the DNR would not manage it in any way – and if it is a “state” owned/regulated access I can’t see how lakeshore owners can gate it off. Am I missing something here?
Lake associations have plenty of power, but to close off a public access or to thoroughly regulate it on thier own terms (via a private gate and/or inspections) does not seem legal to me. ???
Unfortunately the DNR does not own all public accesses. I don’t know why in any circumstance the DNR would give any up, but they apparently have. Not sure about this access, because I assume it is possible some accesses to some lakes have been built by cities or counties.
The empty shells wash up on the beaches. In front of my sisters house they are at least 6 inches deep. This is on the Wolf in Winneconne.
The access on Bavaria is County owned.
The water quality on this lake has went downhill due to people maintaining lawns right to the waters edge. Bug Algae bloom 2-Weeks ago, should be pretty green In another week.
Quite a few big shacks have been built on this lake in last few years, more to come replace little cabin sized homes.
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The empty shells wash up on the beaches. In front of my sisters house they are at least 6 inches deep. This is on the Wolf in Winneconne.
Same thing happens with native mussels and snails. I don’t think individuals should have the ability to basically cut the public off from a lake by making them jump through hoops to fish a lake. All in the name of property value.
The way I see it is that it is kind of like the insurance “Act of God” clause. If you get Zeebs in the lake and are worried about property value, deal with it. Don’t expect the rest of the world to cave just so you can keep your property value up. Like I said, it is kind of equivalent to some one wanting to sell their house. Maybe its on a busy street, so they go to the city and have them put restrictions on people who want to drive the street.
And so it continues. A little more of the thin end of the wedge gets inserted. . .
AIS have finally given rich lakeshore property owners the excuse they’ve been looking for for decades–the intellectual-sounding reason to close “their” lake to the public.
In the 1980s and 90s it was the booming population of jetskies and PWCs, but that excuse didn’t last long. Now the big money property owners have it in their grasp! They are simply the frontline troops in the fight against the evil, un-pressurewashed masses who, if left unchecked, will destroy every lake in Minnesota.
Could I just ask, where the #### has the DNR been fro the past 30 years as these lakeshore owners have systematically decimated the in-water habitat by ripping up plants, dredging, cutting down trees, and trying to turn ever inch of shoreline into their own personal version of a Bahamas beach?
Grouse
Yep. Just like hunting lands. Welcome to the European model.
Some said no big deal. Its just A metro lake. Well its a big deal and it encompasses more than a single metro lake.
I think everyone should be concerned.
When I am governor, I am signing an executive order making all lakeshore beaches illegal, with resorts and public designated areas (parks) being exempt.
I will use Eminent Domain to create an 20′ easement surrounding all bodies of water which will contain native plants and flowers and cannot be mowed, kept or landscaped in any way. This will help prevent fertilizer and other undesirable runoff. I will allow a 4′ wide path in a straight line and the shortest length possible for dock access.
All docks with with posts made out of anything other than wood will either have to be replaced or be allowed by paying an annual $500 “user” fee. Those who do not comply will have their property seized and will be paid fair market value for their homes before deporting them to one of the surrounding states.
Governor Pug has a nice ring to it. 
Vote Pug! Vote Pug! Vote Pug!
Grouse
I did a little research today, and the homeowners in 2012 on Lake Bavaria have gotten aquatic plant management (think destroy aquatic habitat) permits for 6.2 acres of submerged plant removal. Now on a 160 acre lake you might not think this isn’t much, but consider that it comprises an area/ring out to 150 feet and includes water lilys, bog and other plants. Then add the 50ft(or 50% of total-what ever is less 50ft or %); that doesn’t need a permit, then add the 15ft channels each home can have and you likely have chemically treated, harvested, pulled out or cut the majority of the littoral zone. All for a whopping $750 permit fee, split 23 ways.
And these are the folks who are concerned about the Lake?????
Buzz, Let’s talk.
I sent my info via pm
Carroll
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Could I just ask, where the #### has the DNR been fro the past 30 years as these lakeshore owners have systematically decimated the in-water habitat by ripping up plants, dredging, cutting down trees, and trying to turn ever inch of shoreline into their own personal version of a Bahamas beach?
Not to hijack ( Sorry!), but I ask this same question every day when I see the AG industry installing drain tile and/or drainage ditches through every field and every low spot in MN. …You wonder why the river rises and falls by 6 to 10 feet in a day or two. This is also something the DNR (soil and water management) seemingly allow to happen.
Please email, call or come to the meeting, here are Board contacts
Gayle O. Degler, District 1
Chanhassen, MN
(763) 381-1879
[email protected]
Tom Workman, District 2
Chanhassen, MN
(952) 303-9460
[email protected]
Randy Maluchnik, District 3
Chaska, MN 55318
(612) 964-5382
[email protected]
Tim Lynch, District 4
Mayer, MN 55360
(952) 303-9458
[email protected]
James M. Ische, District 5
Norwood, MN 55368
(952) 212-7453
[email protected]
Parks Director:
Marty Walsh,
[email protected]
11360 Hwy. 212 W, Suite 2
Cologne, MN 55322
(952) 466-5250
[email protected]
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When I am governor, I am signing an executive order making all lakeshore beaches illegal, with resorts and public designated areas (parks) being exempt.
I will use Eminent Domain to create an 20′ easement surrounding all bodies of water which will contain native plants and flowers and cannot be mowed, kept or landscaped in any way. This will help prevent fertilizer and other undesirable runoff. I will allow a 4′ wide path in a straight line and the shortest length possible for dock access.
All docks with with posts made out of anything other than wood will either have to be replaced or be allowed by paying an annual $500 “user” fee. Those who do not comply will have their property seized and will be paid fair market value for their homes before deporting them to one of the surrounding states.
Ummmm, I don’t think I want to be on your personal protection detail. 
But, I would vote for ya!! 
…And when the people start saying that it is not fair, my response will be, “Oh, so NOW you are concerned about fairness”.
They (County Board) voted 3-2 to pay for inspections (mostly fulltime, 6am-9pm, July 13 – mid-Sept.). @ cost of $14,000 in County funds with inspector right at landing. The access will not be gated, still open 24/7.
They will push for DNR to take more responsibility on inspection costs and doing inspections at all lakes. This since the county only owns two lake accesses (Bavaria & Minnewashta) while there are 20 some lakes with accesses located in the County along with a couple where the majority of the lake residents reside in the County, yet the access is located in Hennepin County in City Parks, where Carver Co. has no legal authority.
The gate proposal did not get voted upon, but I am sure this will be studied & another proposal will be on a future agenda.
I will continue to monitor these proposals, yet see lake users, especially anglers need to unite in fighting actions that reduce our prevent access to public waters.
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