I am all for a new stadium. I hope they build it and more and more people follow them every year, maybe that will keep some off the water and out of the woods…can’t hurt.
April 19, 2012 at 4:33 pm
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I don’t deal well with threats – NFL to Minnesota
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April 19, 2012 at 4:37 pm #1060417
Tom Sawvell, that is flippin’ GENIUS
To facilitate the ability to implement such a plan …
I hereby move that Tom Sawvell be immediately appointed to position of Commissioner for both the MN Dept of Revenue and the MN Dept of Transportation.April 19, 2012 at 4:40 pm #1060514
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Why should the taxpayers pay for any part of a private enterprize that has a bunch of prima donna millionaires
One of the many reasons we should build it is, just in Adrian Petersons state tax that he will pay us next season is 3 million. Add in EVERY single player that plays here state income tax and it adds up quickly. And that’s just one of the many benefits there are.
Like an unnamed source in the Vikings camp said “give us the state income tax of players playing here and we’ll build 2 stadiums”
April 19, 2012 at 4:50 pm #1060518Im not a big fan of Dayton, but gotta give credit where its due. He has put alot of effort into getting this thing done. The list of representatives losing my vote next time keeps getting bigger. This is a win-win for everyone, and God knows our economy needs it. GET IT DONE!!!!
April 19, 2012 at 4:50 pm #1060519Quote:
One of the many reasons we should build it is, just in Adrian Petersons state tax that he will pay us next season is 3 million. Add in EVERY single player that plays here state income tax and it adds up quickly. And that’s just one of the many benefits there are.
That’s not a new revenue source. The players are currently paying those exact same taxes playing in the Metrodome. The state is still beyond broke.
The wife and I just bought a new house and are renting out our townhome. While the rent from the townhome is “income” we didn’t have before, it’s still only enough to cover the mortgage on the rental unit. By your logic, the extra money we have “coming in” from the rental would be justification for me to buy a new boat.
April 19, 2012 at 5:00 pm #1060524Quote:
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One of the many reasons we should build it is, just in Adrian Petersons state tax that he will pay us next season is 3 million. Add in EVERY single player that plays here state income tax and it adds up quickly. And that’s just one of the many benefits there are.
That’s not a new revenue source. The players are currently paying those exact same taxes playing in the Metrodome. The state is still beyond broke.
The wife and I just bought a new house and are renting out our townhome. While the rent from the townhome is “income” we didn’t have before, it’s still only enough to cover the mortgage on the rental unit. By your logic, the extra money we have “coming in” from the rental would be justification for me to buy a new boat.
So then, because we’re broke we should relinquish the tax income???
April 19, 2012 at 5:01 pm #1060526Quote:
“Build us a stadium of we will leave” See ya bye! You know if they made it affordable for me to even think about taking my 3 boys wife and to the game I might have gone but I can’t afford $450.00 for tickets, parking and food just to go to one game. I heard on the radio this morning some blow head talking saying “it’s not just about money, It’s the memories of going to the game” Bull [censored]! It’s getting to be a game for the rich and wealthy sucking off the tit of the middle class. It’s a business and they should treat it as such and quit asking everyone to pay for it. I’ll just keep taking my kids fishing….now those are memories. And I didn’t ask for a handout to buy my boat.
X2 Amen to that!April 19, 2012 at 5:11 pm #1060529Quote:
So then, because we’re broke we should relinquish the tax income???
If we’re just going to spend it on more expensive shiny trinkets, yes.
April 19, 2012 at 5:17 pm #1060530I don’t know what to think, but I suspect the funding estimated by electronic tabs is bunk. With all the pull tabs in this state, in 2009, the contributions to charities was $43,327,000. http://www.alliedcharitiesmn.org/
I’ve heard the estimates for the electronic tabs at $60 to $70 million per year, in addition to the existing amount by all the clubs & originations. Where the heck is this coming from?? I don’t believe for a second all of sudden the income will double compared to what is already available.
That… is the reason I think this whole thing went down in flames… lack of real funding. If they could get together a REAL plan, maybe this could get done. Or have some real balls, do a sales tax on the metro area (yes, I live in the metro) and put it to a referendum to gauge the real feelings of the “people” for “the peoples stadium”.
April 19, 2012 at 5:19 pm #1060533It’s not much more….
Uh huh..so was the last tax for a stadium and we’re still paying for that aren’t we?
Add all the other “little” taxes and they add up to over half my income…no thanks.Fund it with gambling?
Must have missed all the programs our bozo’s in office were drolling over with that income…how about we just make our taxes lower and skip the extra pork fat programs huh?How’s this…all you in favor contact your politians and start a “We want a stadium” fund, and when enough of you have contributed the 300-600 million they want, they can start building it.
Count me out please.
Al
April 19, 2012 at 5:20 pm #1060535Quote:
How many of you guys actually go to the home games on a regular basis?
I do. Over a million every year attend the games, and if they don’t, no one will be watching them on the couch. The stadium has to get done.
April 19, 2012 at 5:26 pm #1060538Oh a stadium will get done.
the two pertinent questions are:
– where/when will a stadium get done?
– and where will the money come from to get a stadium done?April 19, 2012 at 5:28 pm #1060539Quote:
I’d support a state owned and run casino with absolutely no Indian involvement in it, IF the monies raised from it went to the stadium. I’d also support building new hiway lanes around any and all indian casinos so that admission into indian casinos from the public sector could be charged on the way in on the existing routes along with a full accounting of the cash on hand going in and then tax the bejesus out of anything over that amount on the way out….and yes use the tax gathered to support the stadium. One way in, one way out, and if the indians aren’t going to pay taxes then let those that use the indian casinos do it. Such a venture woiuld maybe serve a couple ways for us “other” natives.
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April 19, 2012 at 5:29 pm #1060540Quote:
Tom Sawvell, that is flippin’ GENIUS
To facilitate the ability to implement such a plan …
I hereby move that Tom Sawvell be immediately appointed to position of Commissioner for both the MN Dept of Revenue and the MN Dept of Transportation.
Nice dream, isn’t it.
April 19, 2012 at 6:10 pm #1060567look at it this way..if they leave you wont have to watch them lose anymore!
April 19, 2012 at 6:15 pm #1060574I agree with you whole heartedly Tom but you didn’t go far enough. Since Indian casinos are on Indian land—which is a sovreign nation— there should be customs going into and out of them manned by our Custom agents for people leaving and coming back onto US land. If someone looks shady I would think full body searches—along with all body cavities—should be the norm. At that point then we would have some bargaining power in this whole mess!
April 19, 2012 at 6:19 pm #1060575
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I do. Over a million every year attend the games, and if they don’t, no one will be watching them on the couch. The stadium has to get done.
Over a million? For eight home games that works out to over 125,000 people per game. The dome doesn’t hold that many people. And are we talking about one million tickets sold, one million butts in the seats, or one million different people going to the games?
The same 60,0000 people going to the games over and over represents about 1.5 % of the people in the state. Which is what I said in the first place: The vast majority of the people in Minnesota never go to Vikings game, but we’re all going to end up on the hook for a new stadium.
April 19, 2012 at 6:24 pm #1060579Quote:
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How many of you guys actually go to the home games on a regular basis?
I do. Over a million every year attend the games, and if they don’t, no one will be watching them on the couch. The stadium has to get done.
Trot on down to Eden Prairie. Lester Bagley and Ziggy could use your help.
Can I ask you this? How would your attendance change if Ziggy got his stadium in Arden Hills? You will pay an additional $25-$50 per ticket. (estimated) Parking (which you might already pay) will be between $40 – $70 per car. Also, if you are a season ticket holder there will be a premium charge for choice seats and maybe a seat license.
I have a friend with season tickets at the dome. I would never, I repeat never spend $10 for a ticket there. That obnoxious sound system sucks, the video boards telling when to cheer suck, The food is crappy and the drinks over priced. Now, when Zig gets his new playpen the only thing that will change is the prices will increase. The noise won’t be less, the embarrassment of being told when to cheer won’t be less, the crappy food won’t be better.
I’ll be on my couch. This guy has you people convinced he needs a stadium and you need to pay for it. He needs a BILLION DOLLAR stadium because Jerry Jones got one in Dallas. NOBODY else has spent a BILLION DOLLARS for a new stadium, in any sport.
I’m sorry if the Vikings leave, I will miss them on Sundays, for the entertainment. I will not miss them for all the BS concerning this extortion they are doing.
Oh, did you all know that you can watch Tom Brady and the Patriots play every week? I heard you can watch Miami every week also. They don’t need to play here to be a fan.
BTW, I’m not picking on you personally, I just hit the reply button for your post. The reply is directed to everyone.
April 19, 2012 at 6:32 pm #1060584Quote:
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its the idiots in the house ans senate!
I think those “idiots” are actually listening to the people… the majority of which are telling them DO NOT use state or local funds to pay for a stadium.
They are Representatives. They should not ever represent the “mood” of the people, but instead their best interests. It might be 60/40 against now. Take football away for a few years, it might be 60/40 for funding a stadium.People today are so wishy-washy that no politician should make a decision based on poles. The poles could say most people are opposed to funding the city hydro engineering department, but then wonder why they can’t get tap water or flush the toilet.
Just a thought. As I have been saying, people best be careful what they wish for.
April 19, 2012 at 6:36 pm #1060590The Vikes won’t leave. The NFL will not let them. They are trying their best to feed everyone a [censored] sandwhich. Most aren’t buying it.
I guess I have never and will never go to a game. It costs way too much. It is for rich folks and people without other hobbies to urine their money away on.
I like to watch them on tv. I do. I just am not very fond of them begging and threatening RIGHT NOW. The state is broke, the economy is bad, 3/4 of the working people out there are broke.
Ziggy, you are worth a zillion, don’t whine to all of us that bust our balls to put food on the table that you need our money to build yourself a new playground all the while recieving a huge windfall for a minimal investment.PS Get a team that isn’t terrible and a perennial loser and disappointment and you might have some more support. Asking now with in the econimical state everyone is in and having a terrible bunch of [censored] for a team will get noone on your side.
April 19, 2012 at 6:42 pm #1060596Didn’t we already go down this road with the North Stars?
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Didn’t we already go down this road with the North Stars?
No, Norm Green was running away from a sexual harrassment scandel when he left for Dallas.
April 19, 2012 at 6:46 pm #1060606My take in brief:
1.) I don’t like funding stadiums any more than subsidizing farmers and large corporations.
2.) I would love to punch and kick the first municipality that funded partially or in whole a stadium for a pro sports team and sent us down this path.
3.) Defending funding a stadium is tough because there is no concrete economic benefit.
4.) Defending funding a stadium is tough because the benefits are abstract. But what are the 3 major segments of the nightly news?
5.) Attacking subsidies to farmers and corporations is hard because every time it happens no one put the camera in front of the CEO and Board of directors hearing them trying to extort tax relief and subsidies from the government.
6.) We have not live in a free market society for quite some time.
7.) I am glad there is a lot of vocal public opposition to this. That gives the state some leverage. Leverage you won’t find trying to attract a team or expansion team because people are hungry for it. That means hopefully we will get the best possible deal.
8.) I have a hard time believing that the team leaving won’t have an economic impact, while them staying should at least keep us status quo.
April 19, 2012 at 6:52 pm #1060610so ? ? ?
points 1,2,3,4,6,and 7 are good reasons to Not use public funds as part of the payment for a stadiumpoint 5 is neutral at best; irrelevant at worst
and point 8 is a reason To use public funds as part of the payment for a stadium
Good points Pug
Wilton, WIApril 19, 2012 at 6:52 pm #1060611Do you guys ever work?
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Didn’t we already go down this road with the North Stars?
No, Norm Green was running away from a sexual harrassment scandel when he left for Dallas.
…AND very poor attendance just a season removed from a stanley cup final appearance.April 19, 2012 at 6:54 pm #1060615Quote:
Do you guys ever work?
I’m getting paid right now. I’m non union. My breaks are longer than 15 minutes.April 19, 2012 at 6:57 pm #1060619I have a little project that could keep Pug busy in some of his “spare time”
April 19, 2012 at 6:59 pm #1060621Quote:
so ? ? ?
points 1,2,3,4,6,and 7 are good reasons to Not use public funds as part of the payment for a stadiumpoint 5 is neutral at best; irrelevant at worst
and point 8 is a reason To use public funds as part of the payment for a stadium
Good points Pug
You missed my point completely. I was not necessarily arguing, just putting out there how I feel. A stadium will be built.
Do you speak up against corporate tax breaks (not across the board but given to say just 3M for instance), farm subsidies or other government hand outs? One of my points is that people get all crazy and active about a stadium, but not much media hype or public outcry happens with the other stuff.
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Didn’t we already go down this road with the North Stars?
No, Norm Green was running away from a sexual harrassment scandel when he left for Dallas.
…AND very poor attendance just a season removed from a stanley cup final appearance.
More so from keeping a divorce from splitting up the team.
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