We travel to Canada each year in early June to Gull Rock Lake in Ontario and catch hundred of walleye between 18-24 inches. My issue is this. I have never been able to catch the really big trophy fish. My personal best walleye in Canada is 27 inches and my goal is the elusive 30 incher. If your goal was to target big walleyes, what bait or presentation would you focus on? We spend a lot of time pulling livebait rigs, jigging, and we pull cranks a little, but what would your method/advice be to get that trophy fish. I am interested to hear people’s thoughts.
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March 28, 2012 at 12:52 pm #1053355
I agree, the first thing is to put yourself on water that has as many fish in the size class you’re looking for as possible. Artificials typically produce better numbers of big fish, whether it’s trolling cranks, pitching plastics in the spring, blade baits in the fall etc…
The next key to catching “BIG” fish is to specifically target them. You’ll likely have to move away from your schools of 18-24″ fish and keep moving until you find one big fish. If I’m looking for a big fish, I typically plan on getting one or two bites in a day, but having them be the right ones.
In June, I’d probably spend some time pulling cranks or harnesses over the basin of that lake looking for big suspended fish feeding on balls of baitfish. A lot of time those bigger fish become semi nomadic and follow baitfish around all summer over deeper water.
March 28, 2012 at 12:55 pm #1053357All the presentation mentioned are great for big fish(you could also throw in blades on BB) depending on time of year,but my question is are there a lot of the 30″ fish you seek in the lakes you are fishing.To catch big fish you want to be on waters that are known for producing big fish in numbers,ei:Fort Peck,Erie,Last Mountain & Tobin Lake is Saskatchewan just to name a few.In my opinion for true trophies one should be going late in fall(end Oct.into Nov.).I know that here on Tobin Lake where I live I fish more in Oct & Nov than the rest of the open water season.In late fall there are tons of boats here from MN,WI ND,SD,IL,IA,MT.That 30″ fish in June may go a little over 10# but in late fall could be 12#+.
Hope this helps.March 28, 2012 at 1:03 pm #1053360Honestly I don’t hear of many big fish being caught while we are there over 27 or 28 inches. There is a possibility that there are not that many big fish in the lakes that we fish. I am open to changing lakes, but I hate to leave a body of water that I am pretty familiar with and start over. I may just need to be happy catching the size fish that I am catching. I have thought about plastics and blade baits, but have never used them. Maybe it is worth a try.
March 28, 2012 at 1:24 pm #1053369We’ve taken 8+ pounders out of Gull Rock, lake gets fished pretty heavy for a Canada lake but there a lot of big fish in that lake.
We usually hit Red/Gull Rock in late Sept, but a general suggestion would be to go a bit deeper and use bigger baits.
We used jigs running from 1/2 oz to a ounce with longer shanked hooks and large minnows, jig colors are usually bright yellow or green/chartreuse and fished in 30-35 fow.
Not sure if they are that deep in June, but I’d try there too.
Hit points and work your way in from deeper water, coming in from the point and both sides, use a zig zag pattern to try and cover as much water as you can and don’t sit in one spot for more than about 20 mins.
Al
March 28, 2012 at 1:31 pm #1053374I am a little ADHD, so I don’t fish one spot very long. We spend most of our time on the move trolling trying to pick up active fish. We have NOT spent much time fishing deep though. When we go in early June we typically don’t fish any deeper than 20 feet and we fish as shallow as 3 or 4 feet on the flats. Have you ever tried trolling deep running cranks on Gull Rock? I have thought about this but have not taken the time to do it. Maybe worth a look. Have most of your bigger fish on Gull Rock come out of deeper water?
March 28, 2012 at 1:31 pm #1053375Quote:
Honestly I don’t hear of many big fish being caught while we are there over 27 or 28 inches. There is a possibility that there are not that many big fish in the lakes that we fish. I am open to changing lakes, but I hate to leave a body of water that I am pretty familiar with and start over. I may just need to be happy catching the size fish that I am catching. I have thought about plastics and blade baits, but have never used them. Maybe it is worth a try.
Plastics are fine, most the locals up there that fish seriously still use live bait last I heard, so don’t give up putting a big sucker on a bobber set up and slowly dragging it around.
Al
March 28, 2012 at 1:32 pm #1053376Early June, I would target wind blown shore lines, with any kind of vegetation.. bull rush or otherwise. Is this lake very stained ? I would try to traget 12 fow +. Pull spinners along the edge, slowly. This is where we had the best luck early in Ontario
March 28, 2012 at 2:11 pm #1053390Quote:
I am a little ADHD, so I don’t fish one spot very long. We spend most of our time on the move trolling trying to pick up active fish. We have NOT spent much time fishing deep though. When we go in early June we typically don’t fish any deeper than 20 feet and we fish as shallow as 3 or 4 feet on the flats. Have you ever tried trolling deep running cranks on Gull Rock? I have thought about this but have not taken the time to do it. Maybe worth a look. Have most of your bigger fish on Gull Rock come out of deeper water?
Remember it’s late Sept when we’re up there, but ALL of our bigger fish have come out of deeper water, and during the day.
I’d assume if you’re out there at night they would be in shallower.We were hitting such a high percentage of fish off jigs with live bait that we did little trolling or use of hardbaits.
Also with trolling it was to hard to follow the contour of the bottom, points and such seem to be better fished jigging for me, you can troll them, but not as accurate.They did work, but we only used smaller raps and such, had I had deeper divers I might have tried them, maybe tail dancers or reef runners, anything that was life like and would dive to 25 fow or deeper with a larger size.
A number 11 deep diving taildancer with get down usually about 25-30 foot, and a 800 series deep diver reef runner will be about the same, maybe try a couple of these in a smelt color and perch, I might get a couple in one size down also.
Be careful, if they hit bottom good chance you’ll lose them, I learnt the best way to jig up there was with the jig about a 1/2 to 1 foot off the bottom, same for lures.
Been my experience they seem to hit more if they up a bit off the bottom too.
I found that the locals were pretty closed mouth about where the big ones are, and the resorts will send you where there’s fish to be caught and that’s smaller fish.
Maybe not accurate but it seems most the people on Gull were tourists on a fishing/vacation not diehard fishermen.
That may be why you don’t see/hear of a lot of big fish?
Most on vacation don’t seem to want to spend the time to put that 10# walleye in the boat?If you have the boat for it, maybe even hit Red, it’s a big lake so it’s a bit harder to fish, but there are some very big fish in that lake.
You can just run up the Chukuni river, try casting for northerns on the way if you like, hit the weed lines along the edge of the river or deeper drop offs.
March 28, 2012 at 2:18 pm #1053400Fished a fair number of lake in ontario and we always caught a lot of nice 16-20 inch fish. Tried three waying large stick baits through a deep hole on one lake and consistently pulled up fish in the 24-26 range compared to jigging in shallow water. just my experience.
good luck
March 28, 2012 at 2:29 pm #1053409How big of stick baits do you use for three way rigs? Original raps I assume in what colors?
March 28, 2012 at 4:40 pm #1053498Sounds like you know the lake fairly well, and have fished it many times. Yet you have not connected with that 30″er. And it dont sound like a lake change is for you.
Maybe the lake your fishing only has low numbers of fish this size, probably the case.
we have fished a similar lake in Ontario for years with no real trophy fish.
a few years ago we were asking ourselves these same questions and this is what we did, we sat down with some thinking fluid(Whiskey) and started to recall the spots we had caught our biggest fish on the lake. turned out that out of all the spots on the lake we took fish only a few of them ever produced larger fish(over 25″). over the last few years we have targeted these spots and some new spots very near them and have started putting a few fish each trip at or around the 30″ mark, this was something we hadnt done on this lake before we took a hard look at what we were doing!
In short Your tactics of baits and presentation if working on walleyes will work on the bigger fish, My guess is you need to focus more of your on water time In your best bigger fish spots! Like said before you may be fishing for less bites but getting the right ones is key to trophy fishing!
Good luck this year!
March 28, 2012 at 5:18 pm #1053518Some great advice above. I would try troll large stick baits (husky jerks, smithwick rogues, x-raps and yozuris) in the early morning or evening hours 6-10’ down over structure and then move to deeper water during the day targeting water that is 25-40’deep looking for suspended fish feeding on baitfish (i.e. tullibees). I agree with AllenW above and for this deeper presentation I would use #11 TDD Deep Tail Dancers, Reef Runners and Deep Thundersticks. If can also downsize your crankbaits and fish leadcore to achieve the desired depths.
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