$4M For Invasive Species Center for U of M

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Didn’t think I’d ever see the day that Feynman was brought up on a fishing forum..

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Yeah, I’m a nerd. Not much I can do about it now.

This country has been open to invasive species for many years. Plant, animal and human.

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How many of these invasives have actually destroyed a native resource?

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According to local ecologist Mark Davis…none. There isn’t a single documented case of a species going extinct as the result of an exotic invasion. You might like the book “invasion biology” that he wrote which pretty much takes your viewpoint on the topic of AIS.

Regarding Peter…I’ve met him and he is a bit weird…but still shrewd…and definitely not hot.

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imagine if these flying carp spread to Mille Lacs. Think of all the businesses that would lose money or go out of business. Sure, their would still be walleye in the lake but people would almost certainly go to a lake without them. Invasive species are not good for anybody. Look at that post from bret clark. You were so positive that not 1 single invasive species would be wiped out. It took all of 20 minutes to get solid info saying there is a chance it could be done.

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You mean like how when the common carp turned Mille Lacs into a ghost town? Ate all the walleye eggs.

I am still positive they will never be wiped out. It took me 1 minute to find that it needed to be applied directly to a colony and then it would got 90% of them.

To use your medical reference, how many times have you heard on the news that researchers discovered something “promising” in the fight to “cure” cancer?

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How many of these invasives have actually destroyed a native resource?

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According to local ecologist Mark Davis…none. There isn’t a single documented case of a species going extinct as the result of an exotic invasion. You might like the book “invasion biology” that he wrote which pretty much takes your viewpoint on the topic of AIS.

Regarding Peter…I’ve met him and he is a bit weird…but still shrewd…and definitely not hot.

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Thanks for the suggestion. I only wish I had the patience to read. Is it a small book with lots of pictures?

I might have to learn some more about Mr. Davis.

I haven’t heard much positive news coming from cancer research in a while. You arent’t saying we should stop spending money on that too, are you?

so they got a way to kill 90%. Is the other 10% than impossible? Did you find something that said that there is absolutely no way at all whatsoever that what they have could not ever, in no way, shape, or form be modified to have a 100% kill rate? I think maybe you’re just a huge carp fisherman at heart and want an endless amount for the smoker.

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I haven’t heard much positive news coming from cancer research in a while. You arent’t saying we should stop spending money on that too, are you?

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Nice try. Maybe I am saying we should build another U of M cancer research center instead?

If you missed it, I am saying I’d be careful what you get giddy over. You might want to look deeper into the story. This is far from a cure. This is more like chemo.

Now before you try turning that one on me, no I am not saying that invasives are as bad as cancer.

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so they got a way to kill 90%. Is the other 10% than impossible? Did you find something that said that there is absolutely no way at all whatsoever that what they have could not ever, in no way, shape, or form be modified to have a 100% kill rate? I think maybe you’re just a huge carp fisherman at heart and want an endless amount for the smoker.

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Take a random number. Tell me how many times you have to multiply by .9 to get to zero.

I bet you could apply this stuff to every colony 3 times before you get to 0.

The sky is falling is doing us no good and the what if scenarios should be asked and researched in a smart organized manner minus the hysteria of the sky is falling.

Has the question “what waters will some of these species thrive in?” Zebra’s thrive in a high calcium enriched water system and a polluted system. Not all waters meet this criteria. Some waters may sustain a small population without being invasive.

The invasive carp is a filter feeder and the water must have plankton enriched waters to survive and thrive, Not all river ways meet this criteria. Again they may exist in small numbers with out thriving and disrupting the eco system.
Case in point the paddle fish is a filter feeder the Minnesota river sustains a healthy population of paddle fish so in turn it must have a healthy supply of plankton right? The St.Croix has paddle fish but nowhere near the population of the Minnesota so this would stand with reason the plankton resource can not sustain a high population of filter feeders.

Find those vulnerable systems and focus on them instead of using an expensive blanketed solution that may have no need in certain eco systems.. The blanketed solution focuses to slow down not to prevent.
Jimminy crickets closing a lock and dam to small boat traffic really going to do anything or raising a dam to a 100 year flood level that now happen every 10 years going to do anything other than slowing it down..

There has to be a chicken little smiley with its arms flailing above its head running in circles to choose from.

How about the movie?

Josh, the point you are missing is that the center AND the funding will never go away. It will never eradicate everything because then the funding and job security would stop. Throwing money at stuff is fine if there is ever a ending point. Because this thing is government funded and operated by the government it’s just another program that will never go away. Just another place where you open your wallet and watch the money get sucked out, year after year.

Any of us over 40 years old have watched the same scenario play out countless times. We start paying and it just never stops.

Next thing you know there will be an invasive that sneaks into your house and grabs the babies from their cribs and slides back down to the water.

Brian got it right……………the sky is falling.

I will say you turned one of the bigger over-reactions I can remember into a decent debate.

No general fund moneys “legacy and existing” are being used. This is pretty much a no-brainer all things considered.

I fully support the House and Senate Republicans on this one and expect it to pass easily….

I’m with Dutchboy on this one, while I have no problem with spending 4m on research to eliminate invasive species I do have a major problem with the Uof M doing it, never has a money hole spent so much tax payers money for so little results.

Give the 4M to a private research center and tell them that’s it till you come up with something, they will, unlike the U who’ll make a 5 year study out of it and cost 20M and still have nothing to show.

Al

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Give the 4M to a private research center and tell them that’s it till you come up with something, they will, unlike the U who’ll make a 5 year study out of it and cost 20M and still have nothing to show.

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yes…give it to the private sector…so some a-bomb in the corner office can buy another house on the cape…a porsche…and put a silken mattress beneath his golden parachute…so that he can then turn around and give the 50k thats left to the university as a research grant.

flip over that rock and come on out!

meh…

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Give the 4M to a private research center and tell them that’s it till you come up with something, they will, unlike the U who’ll make a 5 year study out of it and cost 20M and still have nothing to show.

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yes…give it to the private sector…so some a-bomb in the corner office can buy another house on the cape…a porsche…and put a silken mattress beneath his golden parachute…so that he can then turn around and give the 50k thats left to the university as a research grant.

flip over that rock and come on out!

meh…

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WOW!!! I’d like a calender of the days you intend to fish p2 this summer so I dont accidentally run into you on the water and urine you off …..

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Give the 4M to a private research center and tell them that’s it till you come up with something, they will, unlike the U who’ll make a 5 year study out of it and cost 20M and still have nothing to show.

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yes…give it to the private sector…so some a-bomb in the corner office can buy another house on the cape…a porsche…and put a silken mattress beneath his golden parachute…so that he can then turn around and give the 50k thats left to the university as a research grant.

flip over that rock and come on out!

meh…

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Ummm, let me guess……employee of the U?

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No general fund moneys “legacy and existing” are being used. This is pretty much a no-brainer all things considered.

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Initially…

Anyway, $4M buys a lot of walleyes to stock.

BTW strictly being funny Jason. I’m not in on this discussion. My daily involvement is on the injun post.

It was a fun venting post for me. I can’t can’t even get a legislator to reply to my inquires about the electric barrier bills, so why am I kidding myself that what I think matters?

Actully the U of M is working on a bubbler system that would allow the locks to stay open and we could still fish!

BAD U of M BAD!!!

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Actully the U of M is working on a bubbler system that would allow the locks to stay open and we could still fish!

BAD U of M BAD!!!

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That is an old one as I understand it. The bill I am referring to I think said that was not adequate. I could be wrong.

I dont mind paying for that, several years late, its about time.

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I dont mind paying for that, several years late, its about time.

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That was a joke, right? “Several years late, its about time”.

Also remember if the U of M received 4 million, roughly 2 million will got to “indirect costs” also known as admin and overhead. So only 2 million will actually be going to the researchers. I don’t blame the researchers personally, it’s pretty much policy if you want to conduct research at the U of M.