You’ve got to be kidding me. I didn’t think so.
“Never waste a good crisis”.
Read the language these boneheads use. You don’t think they choose their verbs and adjectives carefully? You really think that opening a center at the U that diverts funds and won’t even be up for 3 years is going to do anything? Not to mention how it will be funded after the initial cost.
Yeah, I am beside myself.
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Future annual operating expenses could come from higher fines and fees for boaters, according to Ingebrigt-sen.
The center would build on existing efforts to control common carp, which have plagued state waters for more than a century.
Look out wallet…here it comes…Dang Common Carp!
It’s the peoples’ invasive species center.
In all honesty, this is something I don’t mind paying for. Something has to be done and stupid roadside checkpoints ain’t gonna get the job done. If they can develop a way to prevent them, or even combat the invasives after they’re already in the lakes it’s a big win.
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At first blush, the LCCMR portion would reduce the Department of Natural Resources’ invasive species control efforts. Agency officials said they might have to reduce expenditures for such activities as inspections and enforcement.
Sounds good to me. Maybe within the next 10 years they will find a way to rid our lakes of zebra mussels and other invasive species. 4 million isn’t that much money to spend on researching invasive species IMO.
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Sounds good to me. Maybe within the next 10 years they will find a way to rid our lakes of zebra mussels and other invasive species. 4 million isn’t that much money to spend on researching invasive species IMO.
You want to put money on that? That they will not eliminate 1 invasive in Minnesota in 10 years? I’ll even include all invasives from Purple loosestrife, night crawlers, japanese beetles, mute swans, gypsy moths, emerald ash borers, any invasive period.
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Yeah, I am beside myself.
If you’re upset that we’re building a 4M public research facility, because you think it won’t stop AIS, you might be right. But I’d rather spend 4M doing research on preserving resources I use weekly than 1B on a stadium I will never use.
I’ll put money on that. Just whatever boat fee increase they come up with is just about right. I agree it may be a long shot, but its definitly worth a try. The U of M employs people that are WAY smarter than you and I, and I’ll put a little faith in them to come up with some solutions. Think of all the boaters in MN, how much money would you have to take from them every year to come up with 1 million. Maybe a buck? Its worth it
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If you’re upset that we’re building a 4M public research facility, because you think it won’t stop AIS, you might be right. But I’d rather spend 4M doing research on preserving resources I use weekly than 1B on a stadium I will never use.
That’s great. I know this is a fishing site, but why does everyone like to introduce Red Herrings? There are plenty of stadium threads out there. I promise not to jump in there and talk about invasive research center funding
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Agreed. I think the stadium funding has been beat to death, lets not bring that up.
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The U of M employs people that are WAY smarter than you and I,
You’ve never met Pug, have you. He’s a smart cookie. Like if Richard Feynman and that Einstein guy had a baby together type of smart.
He just seems a little slow on the forum here because of Brian. 
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The U of M employs people that are WAY smarter than you and I, and
That is not a safe assumption.
It seems pug that you think this is a waste of money because you don’t think it will help any. DO you really think nothing should be done to try and stop invasive species?
Sounds like this idea is from the same people that think I will bring fresh water in my truck and change out my leech water before I leave the lake?
Sorry pug, I didn’t at all mean to insult your intelligence. I consider myself somewhat of a genius as well. All I meant was that the University of Minnesota attracts some of the best scientists, surgeons, and doctors in the country. With all the brains they have over there I don’t mind them taking a stab at the invasive species problem
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It seems pug that you think this is a waste of money because you don’t think it will help any. DO you really think nothing should be done to try and stop invasive species?
I am unconvinced that the efforts to “stop” the invasive species will work. Slow it down a bit, yes. Therefore I question weather these efforts are cost effective.
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It seems pug that you think this is a waste of money because you don’t think it will help any. DO you really think nothing should be done to try and stop invasive species?
Those are 2 separate questions.
Yes, if I think this is a waste of money I don’t think it should be done.
As for other plans, I can only assess them on a case by case basis.
Even if they found what they thought was a silver bullet to eradicate an invasive species from Minnesota, I would be willing to bet that there would be some unforeseen consequences.
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Sorry pug, I didn’t at all mean to insult your intelligence.
No problem, I didn’t take it that way.
Didnt read threw the link but I would like to see more effort put into eradicating invasive s than stopping them. Stopping the spread is expensive and will never do away with the problem.
To say that something probably won’t work so we shouldn’t try is unnacceptable to me. Look at the guy thats going to run this project. Peter Sorenson, he’s a fricken genius when it comes to marine biology.
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Agreed. I think the stadium funding has been beat to death, lets not bring that up.
You’re right…saying that spending on X is better than spending on Y doesn’t validate spending on X.
I’m also skeptical that we’ll be able to stop the spread of most previously introduced invasives…especially carp. I’ve spent many hours slicing burdock, buckthorn, and many others…so I know how it can seem hopeless.
If the only thing that comes out of the research are better ways to prevent the introduction (like Mike suggests) of new AIS, then that would be worth 4M to me.
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I am unconvinced that the efforts to “stop” the invasive species will work. Slow it down a bit, yes. Therefore I question weather these efforts are cost effective.
While I agree that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, we still have to try to do something. We can’t let it go unchecked. Educating people about it and telling them to remove their weeds or clean out their live wells can only go so far.
If we try and nothing can be done, at least we tried. We’ve wasted a lot more money on much stupider stuff.
I would much rather spend a few bucks on fees or taxes than have gates at boat ramps like has been suggested on some lakes.
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To say that something probably won’t work so we shouldn’t try is unnacceptable to me. Look at the guy thats going to run this project. Peter Sorenson, he’s a fricken genius when it comes to marine biology.
I am not saying probably, I am saying it won’t. The best they could claim is slowing the spread and managing invasives. Maybe it is me, but $4M seems a bit high for such low outcomes.
Maybe a genious, but he must have poor communication and/or people skills.
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If we try and nothing can be done, at least we tried. We’ve wasted a lot more money on much stupider stuff.
The problem not being spending money on one stupid thing, but if we spend it on 100s of stupid things, it adds up.
I suppose given a choice between this and electronic barriers, I’d go with this. At least when the center it doesn’t become useless and a complete waste once they circumvent the barrier, if they haven’t already established themselves above a barrier from the start.
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Maybe a genious, but he must have poor communication and/or people skills.
Hahaha. I love how they have a rating for “hotness”.
LOL, I missed that.
I think pug, to say that you know for sure that something won’t work is a litle ridiculous. If we never spent money on researching things that were a long shot we’d be without many major medical discoveries right now. I know, researching disease is far more important than fish, but fishing makes up a huge part of our local economy, and is our way of life. Spending 4 million with the hopes of preventing widespread loss of fishing resources seems like a no-brainer to a lot of people.
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I think pug, to say that you know for sure that something won’t work is a litle ridiculous. If we never spent money on researching things that were a long shot we’d be without many major medical discoveries right now. I know, researching disease is far more important than fish, but fishing makes up a huge part of our local economy, and is our way of life. Spending 4 million with the hopes of preventing widespread loss of fishing resources seems like a no-brainer to a lot of people.
Tell me one invasive that had a unmanageable population that has been eradicated. And you are introducing Red Herrings with the medical reference.
Even if we do nothing we will not have a widespread loss of fishing resources. That’s the thing that really gets me going and hence the “never waste a good crisis” quote I always use. People jump on these things without even thinking what the real consequences are.
How many of these invasives have actually destroyed a native resource? People see flying carp on YouTube and think that it is the end of fishing in the Illinois river.
imagine if these flying carp spread to Mille Lacs. Think of all the businesses that would lose money or go out of business. Sure, their would still be walleye in the lake but people would almost certainly go to a lake without them. Invasive species are not good for anybody. Look at that post from bret clark. You were so positive that not 1 single invasive species would be wiped out. It took all of 20 minutes to get solid info saying there is a chance it could be done.
also, IMO a rating system for a profesor that list “hotness” as a quality is not really legit.
Didn’t think I’d ever see the day that Feynman was brought up on a fishing forum..
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The U of M employs people that are WAY smarter than you and I,
You’ve never met Pug, have you. He’s a smart cookie. Like if Richard Feynman and that Einstein guy had a baby together type of smart.
He just seems a little slow on the forum here because of Brian.
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