Keystone pipeline

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Interesting read!

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I’ve seen, read and heard from a number of sources that the Price of Gas in the U.S. will be well into the >$4.00/gallon by Memorial Day and likely go above the $5.00/gallon mark by mid-Summer.

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Your understandng of the current situation is absolutely correct.

-J.

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Here is my question. If they do get this pipeline through, is that going to be the end of it, or will there eventualy be pipes crossing all over the country? If they pressure us with the price of fuel and we cave this time, whats gonna keep them from repeating it again and again? 3 pipelines? 4? Not trying to sound like a conspiracy thearist, but we have to look at all the possabilities. Could be that this is a foot in the door for them. I can see both sides of the argument. Jobs on one hand, the enviromental impact for years to come in the other.

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So what if there are 25 pipelines across the country? I don’t understand why moving fuel/oil effectively is a problem? Right now they are moving fuel, only via rail and truck. Both of which have higher chances for catastrope than a pipeline.

I say build it. If by some stretch it does lower our fuel costs, great. If not, it provided some economic benefit to the US.

I will say that by not allowing anything oil or gas related in this country, we are killing our domestic production. Let them put up new refineries, pipelines, nuclear power. Regulate and TAX them.

Either let them do it here, with our workers, our products, and our tax base, or they will do it somewhere else with no economic stimulus, not pollution controls, and make us pay for it anyways.

We as humans cannot seem to control these things is why. We have tried and failed every time. Look at the exon spill up in alaska, the oil spill they just had in the gulf. Im sure they all thought the same thing. More jobs and money. In the end it came back to bite them. How many times is it going to take to understand? I for one would rather the country run out of oil and I drive an old truck that aint the best on gas. When you weigh them side by side though, whats better? Jobs for a few years until they run out? Or a diffrent way of life for our childrens great grand children. I am out of work myself and at 33 years old I have went back to school to get more education. I know how frustrating it is, but look beyond your self and think about the future generations of your family. What will be left for them?

I don’t mean to beat on you HC, but what will there be for our children to do if we do not invest in jobs and the economy? I do not know what the failure rate of a pipeline is, but I would be willing to bet my right man part that it is less than the chances of a truck overturning or a rail car crashing. It just does not seem right that we claim the “sky is falling” every time someone tries to improve a process.

I like clean water and air as much as the next guy, but I can respect a company putting up millions of dollars to provide a better mousetrap.

Governmental controls are much better here then in China, the Middle East or all the other places these are in place. The not in my back yard mentality is out of date and is the reason gas prices are so high. Drill domestically, build more refineries, let us keep up with the world and we will

I agree with you farmboy,,,but just like whats going to happen in Venesuala the president there said they have such a good thing going and making so much money from present day oil prices, that hes thinking about buying an electric car for everybody in that country so they can sell all of thier oil. Heres the diffrence,,, No matter how much the oil companies drill here do you think they are going to really keep drilling and bring millions of barrells of oil out of the ground to drop the price, heck no, not unless the economy went tanks up. Heres what they will do though,,,thats drill and cap enough wells to keep the prices up and to have that predrill oil on reserve. Don’t kid yourself thats whats going to happen. Theres enough capped wells in America right now to drive the price down but why do that when theres all kinds of excuses to keep the prices high, and I mean dozens of them. Theres only two things that are going to bring prices down, if people force them down or if theres massive recessions all over the world. Personally I don’t think a recessions anywhere in the nearest future so that only leaves the option to force them down. If they want that pipeline here then I say we use and set that price of some of it here. Lets see where were at 5 years from now because I’ll be seeing it.

One of, if not the number one reason gas prices will be well into the $5 range this year is the decreasing value of the US dollar. As long as the US continues to print money and spend it like drunken sailors, we are in serious trouble!

-J.

there are numerous pipelines across the US already, what’s one more?

http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Oil-Pipelines-Criss-Cross-the-United-States-Why-the-Fuss-Over-Keystone-XL.html

http://www.eia.gov/pub/oil_gas/natural_gas/analysis_publications/ngpipeline/ngpipelines_map.html

I agree Jon and we’ll be (Trying) to buy $5.00 a gallon gas with our devalued money, the people who can afford too. I can see it now,,,Dad I need another pair of jeans, I wish I could but I’ve got to buy gas for the truck and boat. At $5.00 a gallon alot of people are going to be sitting at home, another industry going into the tanks, screw Opec! I for one am for doing something about it.

The only way anyones going to be able to do something about it is if everybody in America has a place to put thier names down. I’d do it but don’t know how to set the website up. If someone would setup a website where people could go and put thier name and address down, then all it would take is for the news to cover this site and let others know what it is. Then millions would go there and put thier names down. The politions would listen and then something would be get done. Anyone here want to start one, I’d throw in a few bucks to help out and the money would be in the mail tomorrow morning. I’ll bet in one year we’ed have cheaper oil prices, why? because we forced them down. Opec and Venesuala would be crying all the way home.

Seriously here, I’d have the money in the mail tonight. This is a chance to do something about those countries reaming my family and myself. Can anyone here do it? All I know is there taking advantage of America and I don’t like it.

i dont feel like anyone is beating on me, and discussion leads to action. I really dont know what the right direction is. I just see the previos disasters that have happend, and it does scare me to think of the what ifs. I look to the past and see that people were living way back when without oil, so we could do it again. I also see the problem with that idea too. lol, guess im just along for the ride. choo choo

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One of, if not the number one reason gas prices will be well into the $5 range this year is the decreasing value of the US dollar. As long as the US continues to print money and spend it like drunken sailors, we are in serious trouble!
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Mr. Jordan is so right on with that statement>
Moving on about the issue of the thread:
I grew up in Nebraska and all the concerns regarding the possible contamination of the Ogalla Aquifer is what we call a lot of BS! There are oil fields and oil well pumps all over the Midwest from N. Dakota to Texas. I grew up with them. The oil lays right over the Aquifer! BFD…(oops-self censored) LAY THE DARN PIPE!!! Seems this Gov’t can waste more darn $$$ and when it comes to something like this they let the tail wag the dog ~ DUH! Plus, the sand over the Midwest is so darn tight an oil spill would take eons to even get down to the ‘now oil’ fields before it would ever get to the aquifer….sand is Natures filter system. Why do you think we have ‘Fracking’ going on? To blow that darn tight sand so natural gas and oil can be pumped up….
He’s a chance for something to be done right for a change>
It just needs to be done…..

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One of, if not the number one reason gas prices will be well into the $5 range this year is the decreasing value of the US dollar. As long as the US continues to print money and spend it like drunken sailors, we are in serious trouble!
J Jordan quote-

Mr. Jordan is so right on with that statement>
Moving on about the issue of the thread:
I grew up in Nebraska and all the concerns regarding the possible contamination of the Ogalla Aquifer is what we call a lot of BS! There are oil fields and oil well pumps all over the Midwest from N. Dakota to Texas. I grew up with them. The oil lays right over the Aquifer! BFD…(oops-self censored) LAY THE DARN PIPE!!! Seems this Gov’t can waste more darn $$$ and when it comes to something like this they let the tail wag the dog ~ DUH! Plus, the sand over the Midwest is so darn tight an oil spill would take eons to even get down to the ‘now oil’ fields before it would ever get to the aquifer….sand is Natures filter system. Why do you think we have ‘Fracking’ going on? To blow that darn tight sand so natural gas and oil can be pumped up….
He’s a chance for something to be done right for a change>
It just needs to be done…..

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The ‘eons’ is what im concerned with. We may not have to deal with the repercussions of it if its the wrong choice, but ‘eons’ later some of our family might. Agin, I understand the position on jobs and Im not saying that my concerns will ever come to fruition. Just trying to think of the effects it will have later on instead of just the immedieate benefits. As far as jobs, other than for ongoing maintenance, how many permanent jobs will it create? How will it effect homeowners in the path of the proposed lines? What safety precautins are in place in the event of a tornado or hurricane? Who is absorbing the cost of construction and maintenance? These are all questions that have me on the fence.