Umm This Might Be Important

  • Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1275788

    Electronic Barrier being looked at in MN

    No shore fishing around St Anthony Falls or Lock and Dam #1 (Ford Dam)

    No boats across the barrier less than 22 feet long.

    90% of all lockages are of boats less than 22 feet.

    If a human is immersed in the water, they have a 50% chance of surviving.

    No public hearing to start on the design.

    “It’s not like a secret and people don’t know about it”

    This has never been done in a lock within the US.

    MN DNR “We would be extreamly happy if this could be done within a year”.

    Video Link to Senate Hearings<<

    The Electric Barricade starts at 1:13

    ggoody
    Mpls MN
    Posts: 2603
    #1038558

    Do they make a 22′ River Pro?….

    Steve Plantz
    SE MN
    Posts: 12240
    #1038563

    Is this an attempt to stop the Asian carp?

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1038565

    Yes it is Steve.

    There’s much more talk about all AIS, AIS check points, Stations ect. I just didn’t have the time to go through the whole video at this point.

    The AIS threat whether real or imagined will be changing the MN fisherman’s routine.

    jeremy-liebig
    mpls
    Posts: 1455
    #1038569

    WOW! First I’ve heard of this…Crazy stuff, that area is my home turf.Almost no non- commercial traffic allowed through those locks?? No fishin’ would be a bummer as well. It will definitely be interesting to see what transpires. I’ll be doing a little Encyclopedia Brown investigation myself.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1038575

    I have to verify this, but I “heard” no shore or boat traffic (under 22′) for 2 miles on either side.

    That might be how it’s set up in IL.

    blufloyd
    Posts: 698
    #1038578

    I don’t think it is that way in Illinois. However I heard There are no fish in the area of the barrier now or previously to the barrier.

    It is important to remember these fish are plankton algea feeders.
    If your river isn’t pea green I see no real cause for panic. Large areas of the Illinois get carp free when food sources drop. I am sure survival in clear water areas is very low.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1038583

    I’m not sure how the formatting turned out…but here’s the other headache.

    Funding. Read it slowly. The numbers are amazing!

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    Long-Term Funding Needs for Aquatic Invasive Species Programs

    Submitted to:
    Environment and Natural Resources Committees
    of the Minnesota House and Senate
    January 15, 2012

    Prepared by:
    Minnesota Department of Natural Resources
    Division of Ecological and Water Resources
    500 Lafayette Road
    St. Paul, MN 55155

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    Introduction
    The 2011 Minnesota legislature passed legislation (Laws of Minnesota 2011, Chapter 107, Section 106) that states:
    “By January 15, 2012, the commissioner of natural resources shall report to the house of representatives and senate committees with jurisdiction over environment and natural resources policy and finance on the long-term funding needed to implement and enforce Minnesota Statutes, chapter 84D, including recommendations on the appropriate amount of the watercraft surcharge.”

    This report summarizes funding requirements needed to sustain the current level of effort for aquatic invasive species (AIS) prevention, management, and enforcement as well as funding required to significantly increase prevention strategies. The report does not cover the growing need to fund prevention efforts for Asian carp. Boaters are not a vector for the spread of Asian carp; therefore, the watercraft license surcharge is not a suitable source of revenue for this issue.

    Background
    The spread of AIS is one of the top conservation challenges facing Minnesota today. AIS prevention and management is funded primarily with General Fund and the Invasive Species Account (ISA). General Fund support for this program was increased during the FY 2008-2009 biennium, but has subsequently declined because of the General Fund deficit.

    Most of the revenue for the ISA comes from a $5 surcharge on watercraft licenses and a $2 surcharge on non-resident fishing licenses.

    These two sources generate approximately $1,600,000/year.

    In addition, there is an annual transfer of $750,000 from the Water Recreation Account (WRA) to the ISA.

    The current annual appropriation from the ISA is $2,742,000. With all three sources of revenue, there is still a structural deficit that will cause the fund balance to go negative in the future.

    The FY 2012-2013 budget also provided one-time funding from the Environmental and Natural Resource Trust Fund ($5,690,000) and Heritage Enhancement Account ($2,000,000) to increase AIS prevention and management efforts. Demands for prevention and management programs continue to increase and a long-term, dedicated funding source is needed to address the economic and environmental impacts caused by AIS.

    The total budget for AIS is $7.2 million in FY12 and 8.6 million in FY13.

    More than half ($4.5 million) of the FY13 budget is from one-time appropriations (Table 1).

    Table 1. Aquatic invasive species appropriations for fiscal years 2012-2013.
    Fund
    FY12
    FY13
    Comments
    Invasive Species Account
    $ 2,742,000
    $ 2,742,000
    $5 surcharge on boat licenses; $2 surcharge on non-resident fishing licenses; $750,000 transfer from WRA
    General Fund
    $ 1,318,000
    $ 1,318,000
    Heritage Enhancement
    $ 1,000,000
    $ 1,000,000
    One-time funding for biennium
    Env. and Nat. Res. Trust Fund
    $ 2,177,000
    $ 3,513,000
    One-time funding for biennium
    Total
    $ 7,237,000
    $ 8,573,000

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    The increased funding in the fiscal year 2012-2013 biennium is accelerating actions to prevent and manage invasive species infestations. Planned program expenditures for fiscal year 2013 are detailed in table 2.

    Table 2. Planned program expenditures for aquatic invasive species in fiscal year 2013.

    Funding Needed to Maintain Current Program Levels
    The amount of annual revenue from the watercraft surcharge and non-resident fishing license surcharge needed to maintain AIS programs at current levels ($8.6 million/year) is provided in three scenarios below:

    1) $6,450,000/year if General Fund and the WRA transfer are maintained;
    2) $7,750,000/year if General Fund is eliminated and the WRA transfer is maintained; and
    3) $8,600,000/year is needed if General Fund and the WRA transfer are eliminated.
    The watercraft license surcharge is currently $5, or $1.66/year since boat licenses are good for three years. Table 3 describes three potential options for increasing the watercraft license surcharge to generate approximately the $8,600,000 (takes into account $400,000 non- resident fishing license surcharge revenues) needed under the third scenario listed above.

    This would result in watercraft owners paying about $10/year on average rather than $1.66/year.

    Table 3. Potential watercraft license surcharge* scenarios that would raise $8.6 M in revenues annually (current watercraft license surcharge fee is $5).
    Watercraft Type
    Scenario 1
    Scenario 2
    Scenario 3
    Canoes
    $ 10
    $ 15
    $ 20
    Boats 17 ft and under
    $ 33
    $ 32
    $ 30
    All other watercraft
    $ 43
    $ 42
    $ 41
    *Surcharge is part of the boat license fee and the boat license is good for three years. Calculations take into account $400,000 generated from non-resident fishing licenses.

    Options for Expanding Statewide Prevention Programs
    The DNR hired a consulting firm to analyze and report on costs and other requirements for several statewide mandatory inspection/prevention options. To date, there has been a great deal of discussion about different strategies Minnesota should adopt for a more comprehensive statewide prevention program, but no clear understanding of the costs and infrastructure

    Aquatic Invasive Species FY13FUNDWork activitiesISAGFHEENRTFTotals
    Enforcement918,000$ 600,000$ 200,000$ 1,718,000$
    Inspection Program400,000$ 1,800,000$ 2,200,000$
    Inspection equipment300,000$ 300,000$
    Public Awareness and Prevent Grants300,000$ 300,000$
    AIS Management (grants primarily)726,000$ 400,000$ 100,000$ 1,226,000$
    Statwide Coordination & Field Operations1,956,000$ 33,000$ 1,989,000$
    Asian Carp Coord,. Planning & Monitoring60,000$ 80,000$ 140,000$
    Lake Service Provider Training 50,000$ 50,000$ Implementation of BMPs for water accesess500,000$ 500,000$ Zebra mussel research150,000$ 150,000$
    TOTAL2,742,000$ 1,318,000$ 1,000,000$ 3,513,000$ 8,573,000$ Grand Total

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    requirements to implement these various strategies or how good a fit they are for Minnesota. This report has not been finalized, but preliminary information is available and has been used for the following summary of some the strategies that were evaluated. All of the cost estimates (Table 4) should be considered preliminary at this time. Once the report is finalized, the department anticipates having a more thorough discussion with the legislature and stakeholders about choosing the best statewide prevention strategy for Minnesota.

    Red Lake/Blue Lake
    This concept uses color coded tags that indicate if a watercraft is being used on zebra mussel infested waters (red tag) or waters that are not infested with zebra mussels (blue tag). Watercraft with red tags would be required to be inspected and receive a blue tag prior to launching on a water body that is not infested with zebra mussels. Watercraft with blue tags would be required to be inspected and receive a red tag prior to launching on a water body infested with zebra mussels. This strategy would utilize centralized inspection stations rather than inspection stations at public water accesses or along roads.
    Annual cost is estimated at $22 – $28 million.

    This strategy has some distinct advantages over the other options including:
    1) It is more efficient that requiring inspections prior to every trip before launching on all waters or after every trip when leaving zebra mussel infested waters, because no inspection is required if a person boats on only “red” or “blue” lakes;
    2) It affects all watercraft users and covers people using private and public access and out-of-state boaters equally well;
    3) Citizens would choose the time and location for inspections and are not subject to waiting in line at accesses or being pulled over on the highway; and
    4) Tags would be highly visible making it easy for the public to help with enforcement.

    The major drawback of this strategy is that it only works well for one species, which in this case would be zebra mussels. The system would quickly become too complex and cumbersome if there was a different color tag for each combination of AIS. On the other hand, if red tags were allowed on all infested waters it would allow boaters to travel freely between waters with zebra mussels to waters that have only Eurasian watermilfoil or spiny water fleas.
    Required Inspections Before Launching (all waters)
    This strategy requires a mandatory inspection prior to launching a watercraft on any water body (uninfested and infested waters). It would be prohibitively expensive and impractical to employ this strategy at each of the state’s public and private accesses (about 3,800 total accesses). Utilizing centralized inspection stations would make this strategy more feasible, but costs are still relatively high, estimated at $44 to $59 million/year (Table 4).

    Some people have proposed using radio frequency identification technology and automatic gates at public water accesses to facilitate this approach, i.e., a code would be obtained after passing an inspection that would allow entry through the gate. This would increase start-up costs in year one (Table 4) and it is unclear how this could be applied to private accesses, especially where someone accesses through a private lake lot. Some other means of verifying that an inspection has been passed may be more workable (e.g., a visible tag that could be placed on the watercraft). This strategy does have a major advantage over the red lake/blue lake option in that it would address all AIS.

    Required Inspections When Leaving Zebra Mussel Infested Waters

    This concept requires mandatory inspections for all watercraft leaving infested waters and would require inspectors to be stationed at all public and private accesses on zebra mussel infested waters.

    Estimated annual cost is $65 to $71 million/year. Focusing on zebra mussel infested

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    waters significantly reduces the cost compared to requiring inspections at all public and private water accesses before launching; however, this option is more expensive than using centralized stations to require inspections before launching on all waters because it requires stationing someone at every public (210) and private water access on zebra mussel infested waters. As with the red lake/blue lake strategy, this option only addresses zebra mussels and not other AIS. A less expensive variation on this strategy would be to have “containment zones” around high-use zebra mussel waters (estimated at $10 million/year; Table 4). This option focuses on high-use areas and would utilize centralized inspection stations. One of the biggest challenges with this option is making sure that inspection stations are located to intercept most or all water users without causing traffic congestion and undue waiting periods during peak use periods.

    Self Inspection/Certification
    This concept would have individuals inspect their own watercraft after completing AIS training and testing requirements. This could be a mandatory requirement as a condition of operating a watercraft or pulling a trailer with a watercraft. It could also be incorporated as an option to allow people to bypass inspection requirements in one of the other prevention strategies. In general, this is a lower cost alternative (Table 4), but relying on individuals to do their own inspection would likely increase the chance of spreading AIS compared to other options.

    Enforcement
    The costs of the various options may not adequately reflect increased enforcement needs to ensure that the strategies are as effective as possible. Recommended enforcement increases will be identified as the department refines the cost estimates and continues evaluating these options.

    Privatization Opportunities
    The centralized inspection stations required for any of these options could be privatized. There are a number of considerations that will need to be addressed in any privatizing strategy. First, inspection station infrastructure would need to be available across the entire state or other defined geographical area depending on the strategy used. These stations would need to be open to the public during weekend and evening hours during the prime boating season. There would be a great deal of seasonal and geographical variability in the number of people using these inspection stations. Further, it could be problematic to use existing businesses for inspection stations, because they would not necessarily be set up or staffed to handle the number of boaters that could come through at peak times. Given these considerations, the state may need to consider making an initial investment in setting up inspection stations and contracting with a private vendor to run them, as opposed to using or retrofitting existing private businesses.

    If the private sector performed inspections, DNR would maintain authority and oversight for enforcement, training, licensing, developing inspection and decontamination procedures, and other administrative roles. It is unclear how privatizing might affect the overall costs of the various options. State program costs for administration and oversight of private sector inspectors are estimated to range from $3,000,000 to $7,000,000 per year, but boaters would be required to pay a market-based fee to the private vendor(s) doing the inspections.

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    Table 4. Preliminary costs associated with implementing various aquatic invasive species prevention options and the amount of additional watercraft surcharge needed per watercraft to fund each concept.
    Concept Description Cost Per Year Add’l surcharge* needed (avg. per boat)

    Red Lake/Blue Lake
    Required inspection before launch when moving from a zebra mussel infested lake (Red) to lakes not infested with zebra mussels (Blue) and vice versa. A tagging system would be used to mark boats red or blue.
    $22, 000,000- $28,000,000
    $90

    Required inspection before launch
    Required inspection before launch, inspectors at all public and private accesses during open water season and daylight hours.
    $550,000,000- $600,000,000
    $2300
    Required inspection before launch @ Centralized Stations
    Required inspection before launch. Inspections and decontamination conducted at centralized locations in each MN county.
    $44,000,000 -$59,000,000
    $200
    Required inspection before launch @ Centralized Stations; with high tech monitoring at accesses
    Same as above, and provide an active monitoring system at each public and private access. Using radio frequency identification (RFID) and remote controlled and/or automatic gates to gain or deny access for each boating launch.
    $145,000,000 (year 1)
    54,000,000 (year 2)
    $500
    Required inspections when leaving Zebra Mussel Infested Waters
    Require inspections when leaving zebra mussel infested waters at public and private accesses. Inspectors stationed at all accesses on zebra mussel infested waters.
    $65,000,000-$71,000,000
    $270
    Containment Zones
    Require inspections of all boats leaving “containment zones” at centralized inspection stations located with the zone (areas designated around high use zebra mussel infested waters) regions).
    $10,000,000
    $40
    Self Inspection/ Certification
    MN DNR trains citizen inspectors to self -inspect boats and ensure decontamination.
    $8,000,000-$11,000,000
    $40
    *Surcharge is part of the boat license fee and the boat license is good for three years.
    Summary
    The department feels that, at a minimum, the watercraft license and non-resident fishing license surcharges need to be increased enough to maintain current AIS program levels. This would require raising fees to increase annual revenues from $1.6 million/year to $8.6 million/year, if the current General Fund appropriation and WRA transfer are eliminated. Once the report on statewide prevention options is finalized, the department anticipates having a more thorough discussion with the legislature and stakeholders about choosing the best statewide prevention strategy for Minnesota. It is likely that these discussions will lead to requests for additional AIS program funding.

    The total cost to produce this report: Preparation: $2,013; Printing $50

    dhiggins
    Brooklyn Park, MN
    Posts: 16
    #1038585

    So that would mean no shore fishing by the mouth of minnehaha and upstream to the ford dam then? What about launching at hidden falls? Isn’t that within two miles of the ford dam?

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1038589

    Please remember…I said I haven’t verified that!

    ggoody
    Mpls MN
    Posts: 2603
    #1038591

    This is going to happen…If you listen to the Senate chair he wants this done yesterday.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1038641

    Could anyone catch the name of the company that’s making these barriers?

    I would love to know how much it costs to run one per month…not to mention install.

    …course there isn’t a design yet, right?

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1038642

    Who wants to go Silver Carp fishing with me? The more the merrier. When we catch a few we are going to drive up to the Coon Rapids dam and call the DNR. They can meet us at the launch above the dam where we will say the fish were caught. Who is with me?

    I haven’t seen such panic since Whitney Houston died.

    matt-p
    White Bear Lake, MN
    Posts: 643
    #1038652

    Quote:


    Who wants to go Silver Carp fishing with me? The more the merrier. When we catch a few we are going to drive up to the Coon Rapids dam and call the DNR. They can meet us at the launch above the dam where we will say the fish were caught. Who is with me?

    I haven’t seen such panic since Whitney Houston died.


    I would go with..
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yhfd9dIkXEk

    Can we do something like this though?

    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13294
    #1038655

    So is all the focus on invasive species with trying to limit the spread of them? Sure seems like a costly venture to get into with failure as the most likely outcome. Wonder if our money would be better spent focusing on extermination of these species from our waters. Thats a lot of money they are asking for these projects that you would think could go a long ways towards research on killing these species off. Throw together all the money being spent by surrounding states to solve the same problem and the pile gets much bigger.

    Bassn Dan
    Posts: 977
    #1038657

    And just to make sure that it works REALLY well, they’ll install a fish ladder with it.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1038680

    I know I’m not an expert, but I sure would have thought the carp would have been up here by now if they were coming.

    Paddlefish are plankton feeders and we can’t manage to get a season on them.

    If it comes to boating through flying carp or not being allowed to boat at all…let the carp come.

    gordonk
    mpls
    Posts: 145
    #1038752

    Hey, the asian carp are above St. Anthony. If you launch out of the ramp with the lighthouse, you can see them milling about on the flat by the charterboats all summer. I’ve told the DNR about this, but they refuse to listen. I wanted to bring a guy out to verify it, but nobody wants to come out there.

    I talked to a warden at the boat show and he said to catch on and keep it in the livewell and then maybe somebody would come down and look at it. I would need to snag it or maybe shoot it with a bow, I guess. All they need to do is put out a fike net for a day or two up there and that would be all the proof they need.

    But then, they couldn’t spend all that money on a new, forever project.

    mossydan
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 7727
    #1038757

    If it comes to boating through flying carp or not being allowed to boat at all…let the carp come.


    Thats the way I think too Brian, It won’t do any good to put up the barrier, too many other ways for the fish to get through naturally, probably some we don’t even know about, at the immediate expense of what.

    Ralph Wiggum
    Maple Grove, MN
    Posts: 11764
    #1038764

    Quote:


    Hey, the asian carp are above St. Anthony. If you launch out of the ramp with the lighthouse, you can see them milling about on the flat by the charterboats all summer. I’ve told the DNR about this, but they refuse to listen. I wanted to bring a guy out to verify it, but nobody wants to come out there.

    I talked to a warden at the boat show and he said to catch on and keep it in the livewell and then maybe somebody would come down and look at it. I would need to snag it or maybe shoot it with a bow, I guess. All they need to do is put out a fike net for a day or two up there and that would be all the proof they need.

    But then, they couldn’t spend all that money on a new, forever project.


    Really? You’re sure they’re not just common carp? I’d be willing to sling a few arrows at them. If you see them this spring or summer, shoot me a PM and I will haul my boat over there.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1038765

    Quote:


    …probably some we don’t even know about…



    Bigfoot?

    Brian Hoffies
    Land of 10,000 taxes, potholes & the politically correct.
    Posts: 6843
    #1038779

    Quote:


    Could anyone catch the name of the company that’s making these barriers?

    I would love to know how much it costs to run one per month…not to mention install.

    …course there isn’t a design yet, right?


    Check with Haliburton, it’s where most government money goes to die.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1038782

    I’m not sure I want you to be right Gordon.

    That would mean all the time and money spent this last summer on edna testing, commercial netting and electro fishing was wasted. All they would have needed to do was to listen to one of the fisherman.

    All you would need is one to blow a hole in all of these plans.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1038838

    It would be tough Ryan. Plankton feeders.

    Just like catching a paddlefish down on P4. Although I would guess there’s more paddles than Asians.

    All AC that have been caught so far come from commercial netters.

    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13294
    #1038844

    They act like these are the first invasive species that have ever seen the US and we have no clue what to do. When fruit flies threatened California they didnt stop people from buying fruit and taking it home. They stopped produce from coming into Cal. unchecked and then treated infected area with spray from helicopters. Countries like New Zealand check everything coming into the country for foreign produce and animals because they give a dam about there unique eco systems. So our plan is to stop the movement of our people and the foreign species will go away?

    So why are we not focusing our efforts on stopping these species from entering the US in the 1st place? I would assume its to much money. Add up what each state is looking at spending on remedies and patches and see how much that is. Would much rather see that money go towards stopping foreign species from entering our waters and eradication of what is here than restricting my ability to fish and enjoy the use of our resources.

    I understand that part of dealing with these species is trying to restrict the movement of them. Hopefully the DNR’s 1st step will be to further educate MN outdoors people about these species and their effects on spreading them rather than stopping us every time we want to use the boat. That little table at the NW sports show might of been okay in the past but would expect to see a much bigger presentation this year and a major campaign started quickly as minnesotains start getting pumped up for fishing opener and boating season.

    It would also be nice to see some of our industry business and leaders really start taking a active roll in this to. Many of these new regulations if imposed Im sure will have a direct impact on their bottom lines to. Years ago it was pretty easy to get the word out on catch, photo and release by just a quick mention of it in a TV show or magazine. You do see checking boat trailers mentioned every now and again now but it seems like now is the time to ramp this up a bit.

    Just some of my thoughts on this guys.

    mbenson
    Minocqua, Wisconsin
    Posts: 3842
    #1038879

    Lindner AIS.’12

    This show aired this past weekend… I am disappointed it doesn’t show the entire 10 minutes and only gets into the beginning.

    True dat that we are behind da 8-ball, we haven’t attacked from the point of entry and can’t stop birds and turtles from carrying to another lake, but we are carriers with our boats and we have to be more concerned than we seem to be…

    Mark

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