Stand Your Ground Bill is back!!!

  • kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    March 6, 2012 at 2:13 pm #1046569

    I was just researching the odds of overturning this veto. Copied from the Mn Legislature FAQ:

    “Can the Legislature override the governor’s veto? Is there a limit to that privilege?

    Yes, the Legislature can override vetoes, including vetoes of line items, as noted in article IV, section 23 of the Minnesota Constitution. The action must receive a two-thirds majority in both houses (90 in the House and 45 in the Senate) in order to achieve this. There is no limit to the privilege, though successfully overriding a veto has been rare over the course of the state’s history. For historical data on vetoes and override attempts, visit the Legislative Library’s Web page Bills Vetoed.”

    This bill would have to gain 5 votes in BOTH the house and senate to overturn Daytons poor decision.

    I find it ironic(sickening for you Josh ), that the people of Mn have clearly stated we don’t support a public funded NFL stadium, yet Dayton charges forward. Quote taken from the Governor’s website:

    “March 1 – Governor Dayton, Legislative Leaders, City of Minneapolis, and Minnesota Vikings Announce Agreement for People’s Stadium”

    Well, since this is a people’s stadium, I’m all for it now…

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    March 6, 2012 at 2:24 pm #1046574

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    Great email G. Don’t worry about being socialist though, apparently according to ihprop1 we’re a communist state.


    Some pieces of poop are brown, other s black. They all stink though.

    Don’t expect any replies though. If there is enough blowback from this he’ll hunker down in a bunker with some scotch and meds, not reappearing until the next election.

    If you read the veto letter, the tone is of a mouthpiece, not a leader.

    If you have paid attention to Dayton’s political career, none of this should surprise you.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    March 6, 2012 at 2:28 pm #1046577

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    Well, since this is a people’s stadium, I’m all for it now…


    Wait, that isn’t so funny when you realize they actually have so much contempt for us, they figured that using that language would actually work.

    Quote:

    Let them eat cake!

    josh a
    Posts: 588
    March 6, 2012 at 2:30 pm #1046578

    If politicians only did the popular thing than Tim Pawlenty wouldn’t have raised county taxes to build Target Field. In fact, he used tax money to build 2 stadiums. Is the metrodome good enough for the NFL but not our horse poop worst in the big 10 college team? You’re right though, its only the democrats that spend money. Again, on the gun issue, I have no interest at all, but think it was wrong to be vetoed.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    March 6, 2012 at 2:36 pm #1046582

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    You’re right though, its only the democrats that spend money.



    I didn’t hear anyone say that…or write it for that matter.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    March 6, 2012 at 2:37 pm #1046586

    I’m not surprised.

    It was a “peoples veto”.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    March 6, 2012 at 2:38 pm #1046588

    Quote:

    I’m not surprised.

    It was a “peoples veto”.


    And you are The People’s Cat Guide. Hey, I think we are adding new slang to the IDO vernacular.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    March 6, 2012 at 2:40 pm #1046589

    This could go many directions….

    but I’m going to veto it…for the people.

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
    March 6, 2012 at 2:41 pm #1046591

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    Tim Pawlenty wouldn’t have raised county taxes to build Target Field. In fact, he used tax money to build 2 stadiums.

    Both comments completely not true. You need to check your facts BEFORE posting.

    -J.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    March 6, 2012 at 2:41 pm #1046592

    Quote:

    This could go many directions….

    but I’m going to veto it…for the people.


    The People’s Disappointment

    lhprop1
    Eagan
    Posts: 1899
    March 6, 2012 at 2:43 pm #1046595

    Quote:

    Well, since this is a people’s stadium, I’m all for it now…

    Peoples’ Stadium, you say? Does that mean my rugby team can play there if we want? Can I take my family camping on the 50 yard line if I so desire?

    I’m paying for it and I sure as hell am not going to be watching that stupid foosball team play there.

    josh a
    Posts: 588
    March 6, 2012 at 2:49 pm #1046603

    you are right sir, this is why that was written. To me, and maybe I’m dead wrong, some of the posts about spending on the stadium and bridge come off with an anti democrat tone. People who get caught up in politics (i include myself) will often point out the negative things a party does and procede to rip them for it. The problem is never an individual polician or political party, its the system that is running our country. Mark Dayton should have signed the new gun the because its what the people wanted. If the NRA funded his political party he would flip flop on it in a heart beat. The same with any republican. They have no beliefs and only care about whose paying their bills. I think its missing the point to blame a politician for how they vote since every one votes the way their major donors want them too. IMO the only way to make politicians decent is to make it illegal to contribute to there campaigns.

    josh a
    Posts: 588
    March 6, 2012 at 2:51 pm #1046605

    Mr. Jordan, I’ve been wrong before. Are you suggesting tax money wasn’t used for both those projects?

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
    March 6, 2012 at 2:54 pm #1046607

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    Mr. Jordan, I’ve been wrong before. Are you suggesting tax money wasn’t used for both those projects?

    Pawlenty never signed off on any tax increase. Look it up. And again, dont just go off guessing about things that are important. Nothing more irritating….grrrrr.

    -J.

    josh a
    Posts: 588
    March 6, 2012 at 2:55 pm #1046608

    ok i checked. The twins paid 1/3 the cost and the rest was a .15% hennepin county sales tax. The house passed the deal and bypassed a public referendum

    lhprop1
    Eagan
    Posts: 1899
    March 6, 2012 at 2:59 pm #1046612

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    To me, and maybe I’m dead wrong, some of the posts about spending on the stadium and bridge come off with an anti democrat tone.

    I think you were reading the bridge thread wrong. The Stillwater bridge is in grave disrepair. It is literally crumbling. That project needed to be done and I’m happy to pay tax dollars to build a new one. Hopefully it gets done before any lives are lost.

    The Vikings are going to suck just as much in a new stadium as the do in the Metrodome. The stadium is just a billionaire working the system so he doesn’t have to pay for his own playground, er, I mean People’s Playground.

    Republican/Democrat doesn’t matter.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22456
    March 6, 2012 at 3:03 pm #1046616

    In 2009, if the Aint’s wouldn’t of had an illegal bounty on Favre… we would have won that game and dare I say, the SB

    heavychevy
    prole, iowa (close to martinsdale)
    Posts: 190
    March 6, 2012 at 3:13 pm #1046622

    just outta curiosity, if you dont care about an issue either way, why would you post about it several times?

    josh a
    Posts: 588
    March 6, 2012 at 3:35 pm #1046631

    politics in general is very interesting to me. It really doesn’t matter what the issue is. The more I read and contribute to a post the more I’ll learn about a topic. whether I agree, disagree or don’t care, I like to know whats going on. And by posting on this website I can get a good understanding of what people with common interests as me are thinking about certain topics. Without IDO I wouldn’t have even known this law was up for a vote

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
    March 6, 2012 at 4:42 pm #1046650

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    ok i checked. The twins paid 1/3 the cost and the rest was a .15% hennepin county sales tax. The house passed the deal and bypassed a public referendum

    You are getting closer. Continue your research. Hint – state funds were not used to fund the Twins. Thus Pawlenty never signed off on any funding.

    -J.

    jeff_huberty
    Inactive
    Posts: 4941
    March 6, 2012 at 5:15 pm #1046658

    Unions are a political machine. They take the money they collect from individual workers and use it to try and influence politicians to enact laws that benefit the people they represnt.

    heavychevy
    prole, iowa (close to martinsdale)
    Posts: 190
    March 6, 2012 at 7:28 pm #1046711

    Uh-o! Here we go again! Lol. Now everybody go to their seperate corners and come out fighting. LET’S GET IT ON!

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22456
    March 6, 2012 at 7:38 pm #1046717

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    In 2009, if the Aint’s wouldn’t of had an illegal bounty on Favre… we would have won that game and dare I say, the SB

    not much for fightin today ??? I lob this one out and nothing…….

    Steve Plantz
    SE MN
    Posts: 12240
    March 6, 2012 at 8:00 pm #1046726

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    I think you were reading the bridge thread wrong. The Stillwater bridge is in grave disrepair. It is literally crumbling. That project needed to be done and I’m happy to pay tax dollars to build a new one. Hopefully it gets done before any lives are lost.

    X2 Could not agree more!

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    March 6, 2012 at 8:07 pm #1046729

    Quote:

    Quote:

    In 2009, if the Aint’s wouldn’t of had an illegal bounty on Favre… we would have won that game and dare I say, the SB

    not much for fightin today ??? I lob this one out and nothing…….


    And with a SB, we’d already have the first brick laid on the People’s Stadium. Might even get people to buy meaningless pieces of paper to fund part of it.

    josh a
    Posts: 588
    March 6, 2012 at 10:04 pm #1046757

    The Hennepin county plan to raise taxes by .15% had to be passed by the state in order to be put into effect. The state senate approved the hennepin county sales tax increase by a vote of 34-32 in May of 2006. Tim Pawlenty than had the option to either veto the new tax or sign it. He signed it. So, it was not a state tax the stadium was funded with, but Tim Pawlenty did indeed sign off on a tax increase to fund it. He also signed a bill to use state taxes to build the Gophers’ new stadium. Should we keep fact checking?

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    March 6, 2012 at 10:49 pm #1046772

    Yes, keep fact checking.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22456
    March 6, 2012 at 11:58 pm #1046791

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    Yes, keep fact checking.

    I for one would like a ton more facts..the more facts, the better….. I love facts.. I can’t live without facts… yes, yes… more facts please

    josh a
    Posts: 588
    March 7, 2012 at 1:03 am #1046801

    here’s one more about the twins stadium. He signed the bill before a seattle mariners game sitting at home plate at the metrodome wearing a twins jersey. Is that enough facts, or will I still be wrongly accused of guessing and not fact checking before I enter my posts?

    1hl&sinker
    On the St.Croix
    Posts: 2501
    March 7, 2012 at 1:06 am #1046802

    BrrSmudgen! Facts? We don’t need no stinken facts!
    Facts get in the way of the color of the sky in our own personal worlds.

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