I have a CC question

  • clarence_chapman
    Hastings, MN Lake Isabel activist
    Posts: 1345
    #1275342

    It was my understanding that MN law requires or establishes that a business that “bans guns” must have it posted at the exterior entrance with a specific location in relation to the door with certain size lettering and language. Has this law changed? I was at a very prominent mall location today and remember once that they had all the entryways signed. Today they I didnt see the signs at the doors but saw one on the interior of the Mall not in the store? I entered the mall through a store and not the mall entrance. Can somebody enlighten me on the change if there is one? Oh…and the interior sign was on an “A” frame sign.
    Thanks in advance…

    BBKK
    IA
    Posts: 4033
    #1027995

    Call up your local PD/sheriff office and ask. They will let you know if your area has any special regulations on it.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1028002

    (1) “Reasonable request” means a request made under the following circumstances:
    (i) the requester has prominently posted a conspicuous sign at every entrance to the establishment containing the following language: “(INDICATE IDENTITY OF OPERATOR) BANS GUNS IN THESE PREMISES.”; or
    (ii) the requester or the requester’s agent personally informs the person that guns are prohibited in the premises and demands compliance.

    If it’s not at the entrance, I don’t see those signs…and if I would happen to see on..I would think the business was selling them.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1028007

    Clarence, there have been a number of businesses in the metro area that post “no guns” sign in the wrong locations or have the wrong verbiage on purpose.

    The know the people that have taken the training know it’s wrong and won’t abide by it and it give the anti’s the warm fuzzy feeling the area is gun free.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1028010

    Here’s the Statute I was looking for:

    https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=624.714

    Subd. 17.Posting; trespass.

    (a) A person carrying a firearm on or about his or her person or clothes under a permit or otherwise who remains at a private establishment knowing that the operator of the establishment or its agent has made a reasonable request that firearms not be brought into the establishment may be ordered to leave the premises. A person who fails to leave when so requested is guilty of a petty misdemeanor. The fine for a first offense must not exceed $25. Notwithstanding section 609.531, a firearm carried in violation of this subdivision is not subject to forfeiture.

    (b) As used in this subdivision, the terms in this paragraph have the meanings given.

    (1) “Reasonable request” means a request made under the following circumstances:

    (i) the requester has prominently posted a conspicuous sign at every entrance to the establishment containing the following language: “(INDICATE IDENTITY OF OPERATOR) BANS GUNS IN THESE PREMISES.”; or

    (ii) the requester or the requester’s agent personally informs the person that guns are prohibited in the premises and demands compliance.

    (2) “Prominently” means readily visible and within four feet laterally of the entrance with the bottom of the sign at a height of four to six feet above the floor.

    (3) “Conspicuous” means lettering in black arial typeface at least 1-1/2 inches in height against a bright contrasting background that is at least 187 square inches in area.

    (4) “Private establishment” means a building, structure, or portion thereof that is owned, leased, controlled, or operated by a nongovernmental entity for a nongovernmental purpose.

    (c) The owner or operator of a private establishment may not prohibit the lawful carry or possession of firearms in a parking facility or parking area.

    clarence_chapman
    Hastings, MN Lake Isabel activist
    Posts: 1345
    #1028016

    2) “Prominently” means readily visible and within four feet laterally of the entrance with the bottom of the sign at a height of four to six feet above the floor.

    (3) “Conspicuous” means lettering in black arial typeface at least 1-1/2 inches in height against a bright contrasting background that is at least 187 square inches in area.
    Thats what I was looking for…Like I said it was inside the mall no where near and entrance, what a reasonable person would consider a door and it was the only one I saw.

    Yep figured it was not a legal sign.
    Thanks
    BTW I carried not having seen a sign at the door.
    It may be as Brian said. “makes everyone feel warm and fuzzy” Made me warm and fuzzy knowing I had it with me.
    Thanks

    jac714
    Posts: 37
    #1028275

    The mall cannot post a bans guns sign as it is a landlord and the law precludes a landlord prohibiting access to a tenant but tenants within the mall can ban carry. Example Ridgedale Mall cannot post a bans gun sign but Coach Leather within the mall can (by the way this is an actual example).

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