The 4th amendment is already in place to prevent this sort of BS. Why do I have to go to the legislature? Follow the law and stop try to control everyone.
January 7, 2012 at 4:25 pm
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Mandatory boat inspections
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January 7, 2012 at 4:27 pm #1025574
Yes there is BK, LOL but I have already lived in areas of Wisconsin where there is not one for 40 miles or more. So according to the MN law if that is the case there you could get fined for trying to travel to one and do the right thing. I just think it would make it easier and more people would do so, even if it was to just wash the green slim off there boats during the mid summer algae bloom. Nothings perfect.
I geuss I am just looking for solutions that may help to make everyone happy and get th same results we are looking for with spread of invasives.January 7, 2012 at 4:28 pm #1025575DJSS50, you are on the wrong side of the spectrum with GDog. He is not what you think.
This is a great idea! So you inspect all these boats before going to the launch. Then once they discover the exotics in the lake, you have to wonder what the heck was it all for. If they could guarantee this would stop the spread I would have no problem with it. Whether it will even slow it is arguable.
Like they said at the round table, the last 2 Zebra introductions were introduced by moving docks. I’d be willing to bet they are spread by objects that soak in the water for weeks 20Xs more than by boat.
If I learned anything from the round table it is that we shouldn’t waste money on projects like this. We need to stock, stock and stock more walleye!
January 7, 2012 at 4:32 pm #1025577Quote:
If it could be obtainable, the goal would be to “save” the lakes, but it’s not. The goal has moved to SLOW the spread to other lakes.
I found it interesting that our dinner speaker (who’s name excapse me right now) was an underwater photographer. He had a number of photos on Zebra mussel shots and his comment was….
“there is life after Zebra Mussles”.
As I was scanning this sticker that was handed out for free yesterday, I happened to notice the ™ or TM next to the STOP EXOTIC HITCHHIKERS!
Why would someone want to trade mark that?
Just asking.
bk..are you thinking of bill linder..just thought id try to help the senior citizens out..lol
January 7, 2012 at 4:43 pm #1025584January 7, 2012 at 4:44 pm #1025586Thanks for trying though.
January 7, 2012 at 4:54 pm #1025588For Zebs of Spiny Flea’s… Lets contemplate the water lines in our boats that we are all worried about in the winter – freezing up. People are adding antifzeeze to the livewell and bilge lines to prevent this every Fall.
Take it to the next level in the summer – when you pull out of one waterway and load back into another within a couple of days. Will they survive in the water that’s stuck in these lines? I’m not sure myself, but I always think about it and have started adding white vinigar to mine after every trip – just in case.
The lake I grew up on in Western MN became infested with Milfoil a few years back. Many of the lakeshore owners, including myself, fish many other lakes besides the one we are on (and still do). I know everyone is wondering who brought it in. I also know that many trailers leave the lake fully infested with milfoil hanging from the trailers there too because I witness it every weekend.
My rig gets cleaned/wiped down after I pull out of every landing – every time (if I didn’t it would really be ugly with the fiberglass I have). I also wash it at home most every time. I too – wonder about my bunks.
With all this in mind though, I’m not in favor of roadside stops. I don’t agree with a gov official searching me or my equipment without just cause. In addition, I’m guessing due to staffing shortages and costs, they’re just going to spot the big 10-15 infested lakes/rivers and hit the main roads to and from there. They’ll never be effective – except at wasting my tax dollars. Before I bash though, I will admit that I don’t have any better ideas for resolving the problem.
January 7, 2012 at 4:56 pm #1025589It’s the states roads and it’s the states lakes. Boating and driving on them is a privilege not a right. I don’t think looking at the exterior of your boat and trailer is violating anyone’s constitutional rights. Hire a lawyer and take it to the Supreme Court, get the law changed. Let us know how far you get
January 7, 2012 at 5:08 pm #1025590Quote:
It’s the states roads and it’s the states lakes. Boating and driving on them is a privilege not a right. I don’t think looking at the exterior of your boat and trailer is violating anyone’s constitutional rights. Hire a lawyer and take it to the Supreme Court, get the law changed. Let us know how far you get
Ok, they don’t have the right to open your livewell then!January 7, 2012 at 5:16 pm #1025591But they do have the right to ask if they can and you have the right to say no
January 7, 2012 at 5:46 pm #1025593Quote:
Grouse_dog Judgemental much? You make me laugh my arse off. Based on your location it’s not hard to figure out whose side your on. Just how much control are you willing to hand over to the government? My guess, all of it! Because how could the government ever be wrong. You probably think FREEDOM is overrated. This is how it starts. Then one day you have to call a gov’t hotline to see if it’s ok to take a shower and your wondering “How did that happen?”.
Uptown selfrighteousness!!!!!!
Did you just fall out of space and land on this website?
If you have been here for anytime at all, you would know that your new found impressions about the Dog are clearly misplaced and result from a intelligence gap that only you can explain.
Blow hards and those that have zero tolerance for the laws – whatever the are – have their place in society. If you don’t agree with your elected officials and their attempts to curtail your freedoms – please vote them out. I did not vote for most of the present elected team and I struggle with their positions on almost everything.
I work within the confines of this system – no matter how much I struggle with our present state of affairs – both locally and nationally.
If you don’t like it – move to 3rd world country. It appears you can do whatever you need to do, in those countries. However, your lifespan may be a bit shorter…
As it relates to protecting our natural resources – I am on the side of Mother Nature. When we turn it over to the people to police themselves – they constantly put themselves first – and the welfare of mother earth a distant second. Just drive around any lake, river or rural road, etc. The examples of personal gain at the expense of the resource are easy to see.
Trust me on this – I have been at the MN DNR offices, the courthouses in several counties and deal with my “issues” with the laws in the appropriate manner – respectfully. I have been involved with 7 changes to your MN State Hunting and Fishing regulations over the past 20 years.
Ranting about your lack freedoms will have you “Occupying Mille Lacs or Minnetonka” with little or no impact.
Dog
January 7, 2012 at 6:03 pm #1025595Hi splitshot, yes they can live easily for a couple of days. We had them live for over a week in glass jars with out any outside influence. Spiny water fleas that is. They every thing in the water in the first few days and then lived for over week, pretty hardy critters. Zebras I am not positive on but I would think the very small(ones you can’t see with a naked eye probably could too.
January 7, 2012 at 6:15 pm #1025597Pardon the interruption here…
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I work within the confines of this system
Both of you two need to work within confines of IDO’s system.
I would be happy to show you them if you can’t find them yourself.
Back to the regularly scheduled programing…
January 7, 2012 at 6:20 pm #1025599That old coot Fellegy will likely chew me out for posting is views here. But….
>>> I have said it here before and will say it again. So don’t read words into the following that are not there. I AM ALL FOR STOPPING THE SPREAD OF INVASIVE SPECIES TO OUR CLEAN LAKES.
But the latest unveiling of our DNR 2012 plans to stop the spread of the bad stuff is way too invasive!
First, one obvious flaw in the plan is the traffic back-ups that will, no doubt, be created in high traffic areas around the likes of Lake Mille Lacs and every popular Mn. lake the “checks” will be taking place at. If each “check” only takes 5 minutes (most likely will take longer), dozens of towed boats will be backed up on major highways waiting to pass through. Traffic counts of boats on any major highway or even lesser traveled roads around any of the fishing and boating meccas in Mn. will make it impossible to not have the big traffic back-up. Will it become a safety issue for non-boat towing drivers on a busy Memorial Day weekend? I see a mess waiting to happen.
And then there’s my pet peeve about this whole thing. And with that, I will ask again……..”how am I breaking the intentions of the law driving down the road, on my way home or to my motel/resort cabin?”
In fact, the ONLY way I am, potentially, transporting invasive species from one lake to another is as I back my boat down the access ramp!!!! Who is the DNR or a court to say my intentions, as I drive down the road, on my way home, is to transport invasive species to another lake? Because I am on the road? That’s like saying I am going to break a speed limit as I leave my home, entering the highway, before I do it.
So, tag me and others carrying the bad stuff on our rigs as we ENTER the lake, NOT LEAVING the lake! How can we clean our boats before we enter the highway? At a resort ramp let alone a public access? How?? You have to allow us to go home and use whatever it takes to get weeds etc. off our trailers! Does anyone in St. Paul have a way, to consistently, clean their boats to meet the standards of the law, before they leave the boat ramp and head home? I dare anyone of you to show me how to do this at the ramps I use! I invite any DNR enforcement officer to show me……
I think the intent is great. I agree we need to do whatever we can to stop the spread of bad stuff into our clean lakes. The DNR needs to stop the spread of the stuff at the boat ramp as boats ENTER the lake, NOT LEAVING the lake! Not on the road! On the boat ramp backing into the water. That’s the ONLY place the intent of the law is being broken!
But traffic jams and a scenario boaters and anglers can not comply to as they leave the lake is just wrong. And, most likely, illegal in the end…..
contact Steve Fellegy at [email protected] or 651-270-3383
January 7, 2012 at 6:23 pm #1025600The other plus of having a check at the ramp is the person at the ramp could remind us to replace our plugs.
January 7, 2012 at 6:24 pm #1025601Interesting thread. Lots of opinions, some facts, some common sense, some not so much.
The constitution gives us the rights to bear arms. It does not give us the right to take those arms, go around and shoot up every tree we see.
As citizens we have the rights to enjoy public waters. Walk in them, swim in them, drink them. But we do not have the right to do them harm. If your elected officials believe the invasives do harm to the public waters it’s their duty to protect them. If it requires inspections so be it. If the results are tickets, so be it. If you don’t like it, then again, so be it.
Nobody is forcing us to buy a boat and then forcing us to fish. If you don’t wanna follow the rules sell the boat or ride with a buddy.
DWI laws and seat belts save lives. If you wanna drink and drive go ahead. Just don’t cry when you get stopped. Boating is the same. Follow the very simple rules, sell the boat, pay the fines. It’s all your choice.
While I understand some of the civil rights concerns mentioned. I’m much more embarrassed by some of the replies and lack of respect for fellow human beings posted here. Seems the me, me, me crowd is alive and well among the sportsman also.
January 7, 2012 at 6:34 pm #1025603Quote:
But they do have the right to ask if they can and you have the right to say no
And if you say no, I bet they can impound your boat until they get a warrant.I think the homeless man on Seinfeld said it best when applying for Kramer and Newman’s rickshaw service. “Government!”
January 7, 2012 at 6:38 pm #1025605BK–no probelm. I stand behind my words…..
Dutch Boy–I, for one, am NOT against getting my boat checked. I am not in favor of ticketing somebody along the road, however. That’s my beef with this.
I agree with many it is probably gonna get challenged on the basis of the search rights the law has in place now. But as I said, check and ticket the boaters where it (the law) is intended to protect the transport of invasives, which is at the ramp–backing into the lake. Not, while innocently (per the intent of the law)while driving down some road heading to ???
January 7, 2012 at 6:48 pm #999665Hi Steve I like your thinking by having it all happen at the boat ramp, however I think it should be both when entering and leaving. By leaving I mean clean the weeds off it is easy to do. If you drive down the road and the weeds come off as they will and it rains and washes them into anoher unaffected system it is now infected also. When I saw all those boats leave Lake Mendota covered in weeds it rained the very next day. Those plants were still viable. That is just my opinion though and finding the funding to post an agent at each landing or the most used landings is another obstacle.
January 7, 2012 at 9:01 pm #1025622Nothing in this post added to the thread.
January 7, 2012 at 9:11 pm #1025627What a issue! I have a bunk trailer and worry about the issues raised about them, I do try to get everything visible off the trailer but what can you do about the buried. I think they should put their, our, money into every state boat ramp having a wash and even chemical application to keep them free of invasive creatures, and perhaps state funds for private launches. I also think that the ocean liners that bring us these things ought to be equiped to kill everything in there bilge before they enter our waters or anyone elses or slapped so hard their teeth rattle.
January 7, 2012 at 9:27 pm #1025628Quote:
Hi Steve I like your thinking by having it all happen at the boat ramp, however I think it should be both when entering and leaving. By leaving I mean clean the weeds off it is easy to do. If you drive down the road and the weeds come off as they will and it rains and washes them into anoher unaffected system it is now infected also. When I saw all those boats leave Lake Mendota covered in weeds it rained the very next day. Those plants were still viable. That is just my opinion though and finding the funding to post an agent at each landing or the most used landings is another obstacle.
But leaving the ramp, one can NOT comply. Try as you may! I spend many hours, combined, cleaning my boat at the ramp almost every day of the summer. And after all the effort, I can’t get the job done, per the rules the law says tickets can be written upon, without getting tools/sprayers, rakes, brooms, mops etc. into the mix.
As I have offered….show me how to comply leaving the lake and I will.
An example was this past year. A guy pulls into the super market in Isle and gets tagged for a few weeds on his bunks….UNDER the hull..between the bunks and the hull….in by the keel. Was he spreading those weeds to another lake stopping at the grocery store on the way home? Or would it be logical to allow him to get home and clean the boat?
The effort I have to go through of cleaning the boat is NOT my beef. It’s WHERE and WHEN the tickets can be written. In the spirit and intent of the law, why ticket people leaving the lake? Or just, simply, driving down the road, assuming they will enter a lake and transport what is on their boat?
If rain water washing stuff into the lake from a boat traveling down the road is a concern…then I give up! LOL
January 7, 2012 at 9:33 pm #1025629Presumed guilty until proven innocent.
January 7, 2012 at 9:46 pm #1025633Quote:
Presumed guilty until proven innocent.
This only applies to you.January 7, 2012 at 10:06 pm #1025637Hey guys, I don’t want to sound stupid but is all this worth it. All this over a plant that we have no control over? Washing boats and trailers to try to stop plants and spores from spreading to other bodies of water? Pardon the pun,,, but who in the heck are we as individuals and the powers we have to try to stop ducks and geese from the everyday day equilivent to washing boats, is it even on the same playing field. I like to give my input on things but this is getting hard to do, just my perspective.
January 7, 2012 at 10:19 pm #1025638Quote:
What a issue! I have a bunk trailer and worry about the issues raised about them, I do try to get everything visible off the trailer but what can you do about the buried. I think they should put their, our, money into every state boat ramp having a wash and even chemical application to keep them free of invasive creatures, and perhaps state funds for private launches. I also think that the ocean liners that bring us these things ought to be equiped to kill everything in there bilge before they enter our waters or anyone elses or slapped so hard their teeth rattle.
Not much you can do there,other than installing something like the ultimate bunk boards(expensive).I have already had duckweed and such sandwiched between the bunks and hull.That can’t normally be seen.If there is something that can be applied to the bunks to kill such things,it probably is also bad for the environment.Even some say that silicone spray used for easier launching is bad
January 7, 2012 at 10:48 pm #1025644Sorry…forgot about posting direct links
January 7, 2012 at 10:55 pm #1025645I agree Steve that is ridiculous and the guy should not have been ticketed, but when I watch boat after boat pull out of the launch area with an axle full weeds dragging down the road I have a problem with that. The law should allow for weeds tha are unaccessible, but when its a blatant disregard and no effort was made then what? I am not aruguing that the law doesn’t needs to adjusted for common sense and reasonableness but total ignoring a mass of weeds hanging on a trailer is not acceptable either. If we say it is okay too leave and you can’t be fined that is what will happen, it already does when some people think they can get away with it. I don’t know the solution Steve, but somehow there has be a way to institute some common sense into law while still enforcing it for those who make no attempts at removal and the rest of us pay the price for those actions.
January 7, 2012 at 11:02 pm #1025648I would think you would be able to b in n out of a checkpoint fairly quick with a clean looking rig, if not you would get a free car wash..well Not so free, but anyway. I get the intentions. I don’t think they are meant to be heavy handed. Just seemingly to those that have a hard time with any authority. Pretty interesting indeed. Didn’t mean to spark a wildfire
January 7, 2012 at 11:21 pm #1025654Wouldn’t it make more sense for the dnr to put one of these $15,000.00 units at the lake so people could wash their boats? Damn I bet you could pay a kid 15 grand and he would sit there and wash every boat!!!
Typical don’t help fix the problem but spend a bunch of money and man hours to fine people!!! Guess I’m glad I don’t fish in MN.
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