dog attack

  • Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1023318

    Eweeboy. Poisoning your NEIGHBORS dog.

    neigh·bor

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    noun

    one’s fellow human being: to be generous toward one’s less fortunate neighbors.

    a person who shows kindliness or helpfulness toward his or her fellow humans: to be a neighbor to someone in distress.

    (used as a term of address, especially as a friendly greeting to a stranger): Tell me, neighbor, which way to town?

    I live in BrianK’s World and AF given to poison a neighbor’s pet is not neighborly.

    A few years back our NEIGHBOR had a pitbull that would frequently get away from them. She was a awesome dog and I took her home many times when she broke her chain or go loose on way or another.

    Then Woody and Forest came into the picture. We took them to “social hour” for a year and just couldn’t get them to play with other dogs except my Mother in Laws.

    I became worried that the pit would come over and get into our fenced in back yard. My boys wouldn’t play nice and the pit would tear them up. What would be worse is if my FW was there. I know she would jump in and try to separate them.

    My wife or I are no match for a pit trying to protect herself with two ankle bitters trying to take a nip at here. Clearly my little guys would have been the aggressive dogs…in MY fenced in back yard.

    I talked to the neighbors about my concerns and they understood. Their pit would still be roaming around in the neighborhood. I called them and talk to them again explaining that I would be talking to the sheriff and would be holding their dog for the dog catcher next time she was over.

    The reason I wanted to speak with the sheriff was to ensure I knew my rights. The LAST thing I wanted to do is to put down my NEIGHBORS dog, but if it came to harming my dogs or my wife on my property, I would be left with no other choice.

    After explaining the above to the deputy, he said exactly what I thought. I have the right to protect my property (the boys) and my wife from the harm of an attacking dog.

    OK…I’m good I thought. I went to my backyard and thought out a “what if” scenario. Three dogs in the back yard fighting and my wife trying to break it up. (If you know my wife and here dogs, there wouldn’t be anything anyone could do to stop her from jumping into a bad situation to try to protect here mutts).

    What am I going to do? Go get a shotgun? Takes too long to get it, load it and try to pepper the trespassing dog. Not a good option in my opinion.

    9mm that’s with me 99% of the time. Great, but if I’m on the same level as the dog, what happens if the bullet doesn’t stop and enters another neighbors house. The bullet is MY responsibility. So I need to know where I can shoot if this would happen.

    What I found out is that I would have to be basicly point blank to ensure the bullet would end up in the ground. Any other location and I’m taking a chance on hitting my wife, our dogs to a lesser extent or just not knowing where the bullets going.

    The only other chance would be if the dog retreats and then starts advancing again.

    Thankfully none of this played out. Turns out the “nice doggy” that I really did think as a good dog wasn’t so good with little children and the owner put her down in the end.

    BTW He didn’t train her to be aggressive toward children, just as I didn’t train my ankle bitters to be aggressive towards other dogs. Sometimes they just are…just as some people feel poisoning someone’s pet is a is the right thing to do.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1023320

    Sorry for the long post.

    Sincerely,

    Rev. BK

    mfreeman451
    Posts: 543
    #1023342

    I think not doing anything at all like you suggest, is pathetic and disgusting.

    If I was in that situation and a known aggressive dog ever threatened my family, it would disappear.

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    Bowl of anti-freeze should do the trick…And i’m not kidding…RR


    That’s completely pathetic and disgusting…no dog deserves that. Ever. How about you pound 16oz of that stuff and let me know how it makes you feel before you feed it to an animal.

    Dogs like that Rott have no social graces when it comes to dealing with other dogs. I firmly blame the owner for that. It is not the dog’s fault.

    I had a beagle that got attacked by 2 Rottweilers. They had my dog by both ends trying to rip it on half. Thankfully the owner, my Dad and another guy were able to separate the dogs before they killed my beagle. Ultimately my Dad suffered the most from a nasty gash as a result from being bit by one of the Rottweilers. To this day I blame the owner because the 2 Rotts served as the adults in a breeding house. They had no exposure to any other dogs. Still blame that on dogs? I’d encourage you to educate yourself on dog mentalities.

    FYI….Keep the anti-freeze in your radiator.


    mfreeman451
    Posts: 543
    #1023345

    lol yeah i’m sure it was the lab mix! some piece of sh*t rottweiler attacked my lab mix and tore his ear off.. I’m not buying all this crap about how it is the owners fault, it’s the breed! You can’t deny that certain dogs were bred for fighting or protection and to be aggressive. I’ve never seen any news stories about a lab or lab mix attacking someones child or biting their toes off while they sleep or labs used in illegal dog fighting operations.

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    I don’t think you should start anything cause i’m sure it was the lab mix that was the prob, and they will blame the owner b4 the breed


    BBKK
    IA
    Posts: 4033
    #1023347

    The dog gets out once, fights with another dog and you all say to kill it? Do you have a soul? My dog is the most loveable dog on the planet, but one time she did get loose (full moon also, if you believe in that sort of stuff) anyways, when she got loose she got in a fight with another dog.. purely because she wanted to play and the other dog didnt want any of it. The owner got pissed and said my dog wont be around tomorrow. I looked him right in the eye and said “if you come in my yard to hurt my dog I will shoot you”.. and I meant every word of it. He realized I really did mean it and never said another thing.

    My point is, just because the dog got loose once and fought with another dog doesnt mean it needs to be killed.. and if I catch you trying to hurt my dog I WILL shoot you, and it wont be in the leg. I love my dogs like family and I will go to jail to protect them. You mess with my family or pets and you will get the 3.5″ 1 9/16 #BBB that is loaded in the 12 gauge next to me right now.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1023350

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    lol yeah i’m sure it was the lab mix! some piece of sh*t rottweiler attacked my lab mix and tore his ear off.. I’m not buying all this crap about how it is the owners fault, it’s the breed! You can’t deny that certain dogs were bred for fighting or protection and to be aggressive. I’ve never seen any news stories about a lab or lab mix attacking someones child or biting their toes off while they sleep or labs used in illegal dog fighting operations.



    You don’t have to buy it, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t true. You can breed a lot of things into a dog, but behavior comes from training and how they are raised.

    john23
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 2578
    #1023352

    A dog gets in fight with another dog, and a person that intervened got bit. So the advice from some here is to kill one of the dogs? I’m sure glad some of you (the stupid ones who advise killing the dog) aren’t my neighbors.

    clarence_chapman
    Hastings, MN Lake Isabel activist
    Posts: 1345
    #1023358

    Former MN Animal Control Officer here…Most all communities have a ordinance concerning dogs and dog bites. There is also State Laws regarding dangerous dogs. It is easier to work with ordinances than State Law. I would check to see what it says. Follow up with your city councelman and Mayor. Make sure everyone is aware of the dog. Often they are oblivious to the situation. Document everything. Under MN law there the owner is is also responsible for any and all damages. Hit them where it hurts. The pocketbook. Also by sueing it opens up their homeowners insurance and like stated somewhere above some companies will drop them or greatly increase their rates. Careful about how you talk, Antifreeze???? Now that you have stated this if the dog turns up dead say from antifreeze your door is going to get a knock from the Police/Sheriff. CC class. Make sure you can articulate why you shot the dog and I would think the most you will get it a shooting in city limits fine. Depends on the investigation though. Good Luck

    sandmannd
    Posts: 928
    #1023365

    Great post Clarence.

    Keep in mind folks cruelty to animals is against the law and giving a pooch antifreeze is cruel to the animal. You can and will get in trouble for that.

    blackbay
    Posts: 699
    #1023374

    It’s one thing to protect your family on your own property but it’s completely different getting involved in a situation that had nothing to do with you across the street. If some neighbors kid beat up another kid would you go to the bully’s house and beat them because they might pick on your kid? I’d go check on the neighbor that got bit and check on them. Let them know you saw the whole thing and that they know their recourse with the situation. Get the authorities involved. Now if the dog comes in your yard and acts aggressive…well then there’s no holds barred. Just don’t do something that would get you into more trouble than it’s worth.

    BTW acetaminophen and ibuprophen will kill the bejeezus out of a dog too. My sister in laws dog got into some by accident, long story, and it’s a nasty brutal death.

    dan stien
    Waunakee, Wisconsin
    Posts: 400
    #1023407

    I have read through all the posts so far and I am a long time dog owner. Poisioning a aniaml with anything is a sick cowardly act in my opinion. I have had my dogs get loose on occassion and one ended in a dog fight, very short lived one he got his but beat, the point is dogs get loose it happens, dogs fight it happens don’t be to quick to judge the lab mix may have been the agressor protecting his property. The owner is responsible for the dogs action. I also believe dogs are trained to be mean, even the ones breed to be mean/ dog fighting dogs I beieve it is still human caused they are just more vulnerable to A-HOLES. My buddies dogs and my dog have had fights, dogs will be dogs trying to show dominance, doing what dogs do. I also think somethings are missing from the story, there were two dogs fighting and it sounds like the Rott is being blamed for the the other’s owner being bitten, she may have been bitten by her own dog. I agree documant everything and eveytime the dog is loose and report it. I would also check on the neighbor that is hurt and let them know you witnessed and make sure they find out what there rights are. I would additionally go to the owner of the Rott express my concerns and firsthand see what the dog is like. I would also let it be known the dog will be watched and authorties contacted if it is loose. Isay get all the facts express your concerns and follow legal options. I will admit that I ahd a dog that bite a little kid, I had left her with a friend while on vacation so I do not know what really happened because the story did not add up, I paid the all medical bills and I had my dog put down because I could not take the chance it might happen again. It was hard thing to do especially not knowing all the true facts.

    onestout
    Hudson, WI
    Posts: 2698
    #1023408

    All of the neighbors but 1 have dogs so maybe next time it’ll be a different neighbor. If the dog had attacked a person I wouldn’t beleive in 2nd chances but for now I’m going to keep a closer eye on them.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1023409

    Yes, dogs that attack people are (obviously) more dangerous. Dogs are much more likely to attack other dogs, because they know each others language. I think that an unprovoked attack on a human doesn’t deserve a second chance with the same owner.

    Most human attacks are because someone is coming into contact with their master not recognizing the necessary dog protocol. But a dog attacking in this situation 99% of the time thinks it is the pack leader, even over the master. This should never be the case and is poor training.

    kurt-turner
    Southeast MN
    Posts: 691
    #1023411

    Sad scenario but unfortunately it’s part of life…

    Few random thoughts = I consulted in a business office role for 5 years reviewing surgical cases. One of my least favorite (there were many)? Plastic surgery reconstructions of children from dog bites…. You could feel the pain reading the surgical dictation. Often times it was multiple surgeries with skin grafts and some need bone rebuilding…. Talk about a rough way to look in the mirror for LIFE!!!

    My point? Dog attacks are here to stay so it’s the parents responsibility to do everything in their means to protect kids, family, neighbors, fellow mankind….

    Animals, even domesticated dogs are still animals and humans really cannot predict when they might lash out… Many, many stories of great family dogs suddenly ripping someone’s face off. Where did that come? Animal instincts…

    Then there was the time I went with my buddy to pick his dog up from the pound in Anchorage. I cannot describe the graphic wall of horror they had posted in regards to pit bull attacks. One of the most gruesome collection of photos I hope to ever see. Unreal the damage they can impart…. There are just a few dog breeds that scare the bajeezus out of me….

    I’ve always heard people joke about the antifreeze treatment but NEVER have I heard of anyone being that cruel. There are more humane ways to put a dog down.

    Hope your situation turns out favorable and nobody gets torn to shreds….

    walleyebuster5
    Central MN
    Posts: 3916
    #1023425

    I dont understand how some of you can defend this dog? Really I do not get it. The breed itself is a killer. If you want to blame the owner then you need to blame the breed at the same time. Think about it, by saying the owner NEEDS to control that kind of dog, is saying that kind of dog is dangerous on it’s own. I’d be happy to see these kind of breeds wiped off the planet. I think the human race would be better of.

    Good luck with your situation here. I’d find out what civil action is going to take place. If nothing is done or it happens again, I protect my own genetics and take care of the situation myself.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1023433

    I bet I could train a lab to kill.

    The real problem is the wrap some breeds get that are perpetuated by people who shouldn’t own dogs. Also perpetuated by people who don’t understand but instead like to stereotype dogs.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1023445

    Ah…sometimes I think the human race would be better off without the human race.

    Ok, ’nuff of this stuff. I’m on to more positive things like “why am I not fishing today”.

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