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Pretty soon the Govt. will be dictating which side of underwear you should switch on any given day !!!!
For sure, you just have to suck up and swallow all that hope and change.
December 30, 2011 at 7:14 pm
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Get Out and Horde Those Incandescent Bulbs!
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December 30, 2011 at 10:39 pm #1022759
Huh… Harry Smith on NBC Nightly News, just reported that despite some last ditch efforts by congress, to save the incandescent bulbs, they are not being made after tomorrow ? Is this a case of NBC’s parent company (GE) mis-reporting news ???
December 30, 2011 at 11:02 pm #1022764Quote:
Huh… Harry Smith on NBC Nightly News, just reported that despite some last ditch efforts by congress, to save the incandescent bulbs, they are not being made after tomorrow ? Is this a case of NBC’s parent company (GE) mis-reporting news ???
They are probably throwing a party after the nightly news.December 30, 2011 at 11:45 pm #1022769I did a short search and I found this:
ON December 16, 2011, the U.S. House passed the final 2012 budget legislation, which effectively delayed the implementation until October 2012.Exemptions: There are 22 types of traditional incandescent lamps that are exempt. DOE will monitor sales of these exempted lamp types after the legislation is implemented. If it is determined that of any one of these exempted lamp types doubles in sales, EISA requires DOE to establish an energy conservation standard for the particular lamp type. This provision will prohibit any one of these exempted lamp types from taking market share from the general service lamps that are affected by the EISA efficiency standards.
Appliance lamp
Black light lamp
Bug lamp
Colored lamp
Infrared lamp
Left-hand thread lamp
Marine lamp
Marine’s signal service lamp
Mine service lamp
Plant light lamp
Reflector lamp
Rough service lamp
Shatter-resistant lamp (including shatter-proof & shatter-protected)
Sign service lamp
Silver bowl lamp
Showcase lamp
3-way incandescent lamp
Traffic signal lamp
Vibration service lamp
G shape lamp (as defined in ANSI C78.20-2003 and C79.1-2002) with a diameter of 5″ or more
T shape lamp (as defined in ANSI C78.20-2003 and C79.1-2002) and that uses no more than 40W or has a length of more than 10″
B, BA, CA, F, G16-1/2, G-25, G-30, S, or M-14 lamp (as defined in ANSI C78.20-2003 and C79.1-2002) of 40W or lessDecember 31, 2011 at 1:17 am #1022783Okay I’ll respond to this post because I am somewhat of an expert on lighting, Electrician for 25 years and designed many different lighting set ups. The problem with CFLS are that they are not made for short intermittent use, this will drastically reduce there life. In other words walking in a room turning a light on spending a few minutes and leaving to turn the light off again. This is also not efficient and a incadescent may actually be more efficient. CFL’s will cut cost in long term use say 10 to 15 minutes or more but the longer the duration the more they save. As for claimed life expectancy that is under ideal lab conditions, they really shouldn’t make those claims. Ialso saw heat mentioned and it does shorten the life and will also do the same to incandescent. As for recycling them pretty much where ever you bought them is supposed to take them back. I know Home Depot and Menards do because I take mine there. As I saw mentioned LED’s will be replacing the CFL’s and that is true. The pricing has to come down some more but that will be our lighting in the future. I like the new LED lighting that is out. I incorporated it into our kitchen remodel even though it was a little pricey. However as an example the under cabniet lights I put in draw a total of 16 watts with LED’s if I would have went convetional haogen they would have used 300 watts of power. That is a huge savings over time and the amount of light is the same. The most important thing for lighting for those who do not know look at the lumens output, that is the amount of light you are getting. The watts is just how much electricity they are consuming. LED’s have no warm up time and are not affected by temperature and are completely recyclable now. I hope this helps clear up some of the questions. Feel free to ask any question you have and I will do my best to answer them.
December 31, 2011 at 4:09 pm #1022927Senator Poe from Texas makes a good point!!!
December 31, 2011 at 7:45 pm #1022977That was pretty good, but he should have dropped it on purpose to prove his point. I like the guy behind him blocking his face with his folder when he pulled it out.
I wish there was a site that would take all the best congressional speeches for the day and make them available. Politicians and congressmen get a bad rap, but this was a good little speech. Most of us only know our politicians by the negative ads their opponents run.
December 31, 2011 at 8:53 pm #1023009Senator Poe has several good speeches on YouTube. Watch the one on Foreign Aid.
December 31, 2011 at 9:58 pm #1023030FinHunter, I live on a farm and my need is incandescence because in the winter my florescence do not work when it gets cold. Being that the LED’s are not effected by temps I have not seen any LED that is bright enough to light up a pull barn. What is your opinion on LED in a barn? High output florescence do work in the cold but I will not be putting them in for over 50 dollars a fixture not to mention the price of the bulbs. I would rather just stock up on 100 watt bulbs before they are all gone from the shelves. I have plenty of room to store them. I do have just about every fixture in my house on soft white florescence now. Cannot tell the color difference from the regular bulb accept I have to wait a few minutes for the kitchen spots to be bright enough to do anything.
So do you think LEDs will ever be bright enough to illuminate a large area?January 1, 2012 at 1:59 am #1023071FinHunter-
I have similar problems to dakotah.
In addition, i have horrible brown variance on at least voltage.
I did stock up (couple of cases) of incandescent prior to the projected conversion.
Given what is projected, i’m leaning toward shifting to LED when they are available in affordable screw-ins, rather than refixturing all the buildings.
The barn goes all the way down to -30F most years and i’ve just not seen a reasonable ballast time on them. It’s cold enuf that we lose a lot of tungsten bulbs too, but they seem the most reasonable value/$.January 1, 2012 at 2:23 am #1023078Hey Dakotah and Stu, First I’ll address dakotah questions. They already have parking lot and large area led lighting available, although I do not know the costs I would have to gander thay are pricey being they are relatively new. Your local electrical supply house could answer the price. They will come down in price eventually and be more consumer friendly. Another alternative that may work would be to use self ballated hid lamps. They are more expensive than incadescent but will work in cold temps. This may help you get by until leds are affordable for farm applications especially once incadscents are gone. I am glad to see leds coming along and I understand they have to force people to change but I think they could have done a better job phasing in alternatives that are safe and affordable. Stu led’s will work with those problems but with any electrical device if it is not getting the right voltage it can shorten the life expectancy, by how much I can not say. Most are rated around 100,000 hours or 20 years but that remains to be seen in my eyes. They haven’t been out long enough to back that I feel. As for temperature stu it won’t affect them. Ikea is claiming to have a really good price on screw in led lamps and I think the price is around 7 bucks a bulb. My wife came home with some from Menards which were on special I think for 4 bucks. Still a pricey investment and that is how I have come to look at them. Long life duration and eventually they pay off. I hope I answered some of what your were looking for if not please ask me again. Here is one site I use for info and pricing http://www.superbrightleds.com Good luck guys.
January 1, 2012 at 2:35 am #1023081Hey dakotah I missed your question on my opinion of leds in barns. I used to work on farms as kid and I have family with farms so I understand how important cost, reliabilty, are to the operation. Right now I think it would be too expensive to do a major switch, I suspect in the future there will be some incentive programs out like there was for the big switch to flourscent. So I geuss to be direct I think they would work very well, because cold, moisture doesn’t affect them even the corrosiveness of a barn atmosphere should not affect the leds, but maybe at the wire connections which I have commonly seen when performing service work in barns. I hope this helps.
January 2, 2012 at 1:01 am #1023297Quote:
Pretty sure the law dictating the end of these bulbs was dumped… you will be able to buy these bulbs as always as the ban on production got pulled in one of the packages passed in congress’ last session.
Guy is correct this was pulled.
Also when you hang these upside down or in a ceiling fan they burnout faster then the incandescents is what I found.
About every 6 months. The one’s I have in lamps that are upright seem to be just fine.
Just my observations.
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