Did you know that Cuddyer led the Twins in the following last year
.284 ave
20 homeruns
150 hits
.346 on base percentage
This is what the starting day line up could be 
Parmalee 1b
Casilla 2b
Carroll ss
Valencia 3b
Willingham lf
Span cf
Revere / Repko rf
Mauer c
Morneau / Doumit dh
Kind of scary isn’t it. 
Back to the good old days…..
As bad as it looks it’s not as bad as the Bombo Rivera days. 
Built us a stadium, we’ll spend the money on players!!
what really worries me is that there were no upgrades or movement in the pitching staff.
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what really worries me is that there were no upgrades or movement in the pitching staff.
We are ok in the pitching department…
Starting line-up this year will be…
Santana
Garza
Loshe
liriano
infield.. no worries
Bartlett
Hardy
punto
casilla
outfield, great line-up!!
Cuddyer
Hunter
Gomez
Morneau and mauer are bullet proof, they wont get hurt all year!!!
Why so much concern, the twins are STACKED!!!
I agree, you got your stadium, now you can’t spend? looks to be a long year.
Gettin ready for the Twins of the late 90’s. I figure Span and Frankie L will be gone soon also.
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Love to North Star avatar. 
I don’t have a problem with what the Twins are doing right now. I don’t love it, but….
The Twins entire success factor depends on two guys, Mauer and Morneau. We can argue about the pitching staff later. Why would the Twins pay top dollar for Cuddyer, Nathan, Kubel, etc when they still have no idea what these two are going to provide.
Now, if these two come back to form, I’d expect a big free agent signing mid-season, and a big off season next year.
The reality with Cuddyer, while he’s great in the clubhouse, is that the team “could” be as good with Willingham.
Cuddyer and Kubel are pieces to the puzzle, not the cornerstones. And when you don’t know what’s up with your cornerstones, why spend the $$.
ET 
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I don’t have a problem with what the Twins are doing right now. I don’t love it, but….
The Twins entire success factor depends on two guys, Mauer and Morneau. We can argue about the pitching staff later. Why would the Twins pay top dollar for Cuddyer, Nathan, Kubel, etc when they still have no idea what these two are going to provide.
Now, if these two come back to form, I’d expect a big free agent signing mid-season, and a big off season next year.
The reality with Cuddyer, while he’s great in the clubhouse, is that the team “could” be as good with Willingham.
Cuddyer and Kubel are pieces to the puzzle, not the cornerstones. And when you don’t know what’s up with your cornerstones, why spend the $$.
ET
They Cuddyer trade is just the icing on the cake for me… Just look at the guys they’ve let go the last few years…
Bartlett.. mvp, all star for rays
garza.. ALCS mvp for the rays (your welcome Rays)
losche.. starting pitcher world series (twins told him he didnt have starting talent)..
jj hardy… 30 hr 80 rbis 2011
punto.. starting world series 2B, bats .287 for the yr..
not even going to get into the santana/hunter thing…
Id rather have all the guys listed above over M&M and it would probably cost the same… And think of the guys we could get in trade for M&M..
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I don’t have a problem with what the Twins are doing right now. I don’t love it, but….
The Twins entire success factor depends on two guys, Mauer and Morneau. We can argue about the pitching staff later. Why would the Twins pay top dollar for Cuddyer, Nathan, Kubel, etc when they still have no idea what these two are going to provide.
Now, if these two come back to form, I’d expect a big free agent signing mid-season, and a big off season next year.
The reality with Cuddyer, while he’s great in the clubhouse, is that the team “could” be as good with Willingham.
Cuddyer and Kubel are pieces to the puzzle, not the cornerstones. And when you don’t know what’s up with your cornerstones, why spend the $$.
ET
They Cuddyer trade is just the icing on the cake for me… Just look at the guys they’ve let go the last few years…
Bartlett.. mvp, all star for rays
garza.. ALCS mvp for the rays (your welcome Rays)
losche.. starting pitcher world series (twins told him he didnt have starting talent)..
jj hardy… 30 hr 80 rbis 2011
punto.. starting world series 2B, bats .287 for the yr..not even going to get into the santana/hunter thing…
Id rather have all the guys listed above over M&M and it would probably cost the same… And think of the guys we could get in trade for M&M..
The Bartlet trade was a bad one.
Garza was in the doghouse with management. He had to go.
Lohse is a #3 or #4 and was more money then warranted.
Hardy was a bad deal.
Punto wanted to much money. They did the right thing.
Morneau isn’t tradable until he proves his concussion is healed.
Mauer is untradable because nobody has enough to offer.
You need to remember both of those guys were MPV players and in the top 2-3 at their positions in baseball. At the time the Twins signed them both it was a good deal for both teams. Times change, players get hurt. Even the Phillies pitching staff wouldn’t do well here without healthy M&M.
I really don’t understand where people think the Twins would be without those two. What would the line up be if they were able to trade them? Think you would get fair value in return if you traded them today?
Baseball history is littered with bad contracts. They happen. Nothing you can do except hope the player bounces back.
If Carl was still alive the Twins would have a $50 million pay-roll. How would you like that?
For anybody intterested Joe Mauer is on Talking Baseball at 6:20 on 1500 KSTP tonight. Maybe he will give some insight into his health.
Think you would get fair value in return if you traded them today?
Sure, maybe not morneau but every team would take a stab at mauer.. I mean seriously, they are years away from being good, if they are going to rebuild then rebuild completely… The $264 million they are paying these 2 to sit on the bench will keep them from ever having a good team again.. Dont get me wrong, Id love to see them open up the check book and surround these 2 with talent, but its obvious that if its going to cost the Twins MORE money to keep good players they arent going to do it…
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They Cuddyer trade is just the icing on the cake for me… Just look at the guys they’ve let go the last few years…
Bartlett.. mvp, all star for rays
garza.. ALCS mvp for the rays (your welcome Rays)
Delmon Young worked out great, didn’t he!
The funny thing is that the guy who set that trade in motion was none other than MN native, Gene Glynn who was the Rays minor league director at the time. He is now the manager for the Rochester Redwings (Twins AAA).
Funny how things come full circle, isn’t it.
“”If Carl was still alive the Twins would have a $50 million pay-roll. How would you like that?
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Not sure, but when the old man owned the twins didn’t we go to two world series and win at least one of them???
Al
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“”If Carl was still alive the Twins would have a $50 million pay-roll. How would you like that?
“”Not sure, but when the old man owned the twins didn’t we go to two world series and win at least one of them???
Al
They won both 87 91
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“”If Carl was still alive the Twins would have a $50 million pay-roll. How would you like that?
“”Not sure, but when the old man owned the twins didn’t we go to two world series and win at least one of them???
Al
They won both 87 91
We were a great farm club back then weren’t we? 
Al
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“”If Carl was still alive the Twins would have a $50 million pay-roll. How would you like that?
“”Not sure, but when the old man owned the twins didn’t we go to two world series and win at least one of them???
Al
They won both 87 91
We were a great farm club back then weren’t we?
Al
I don’t know what your point is Al.
1987 was a long time ago.
Herbie earned $1.3 million as the highest paid Twin.
Puck made under $500,000
Viola and Blylevan led the staff.
They played in the dome.
Drew 2 million fans.
Most important fact was they had home field advantage all through the play-offs and world series.
Point was easy, it was asked if we liked Cal and his payroll and I responded he won two world series with it…
Al
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Point was easy, it was asked if we liked Cal and his payroll and I responded he won two world series with it…
Al
OK, I hated Carl and his pay-roll. But each to his own.
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Point was easy, it was asked if we liked Cal and his payroll and I responded he won two world series with it…
Al
OK, I hated Carl and his pay-roll. But each to his own.
Ya, I agree, that’s why I said we were a great farm club..:)
We’d have a good season and lose half the players, probably good business sense, but sucked being a fan.
Didn’t we play the Dodgers in a WS back in the 60″s in the old stadium??
Al
1965
I think Koufax won 3 games and Drysdale 1.
Nothing has change………pitching wins.
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Point was easy, it was asked if we liked Cal and his payroll and I responded he won two world series with it…
Al
In 91′ the twins had the 15th highest payroll, 2011 the twins had the 9th highest payroll. You would hope that if you are the 9th highest payroll that you would be a playoff contender or at the least a .500 team…
Our 4 starting pitchers make $18 million COMBINED
M&M make $38 million combined
I couldnt agree more that pitching wins games, but as someone stated we couldnt win with the phillies pitchers right now… It would take the yankees checkbook to make them a contender right now, time to rebuild…. Get what we can for M&M, free up $264 million, find some fresh young legs and arms…
or the alternative is, enjoy watching M&M play half the season for the next 8 yrs and never make a post season game…
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Point was easy, it was asked if we liked Cal and his payroll and I responded he won two world series with it…
Al
In 91′ the twins had the 15th highest payroll, 2011 the twins had the 9th highest payroll. You would hope that if you are the 9th highest payroll that you would be a playoff contender or at the least a .500 team…
Our 4 starting pitchers make $18 million COMBINED
M&M make $38 million combinedI couldnt agree more that pitching wins games, but as someone stated we couldnt win with the phillies pitchers right now… It would take the yankees checkbook to make them a contender right now, time to rebuild…. Get what we can for M&M, free up $264 million, find some fresh young legs and arms…
or the alternative is, enjoy watching M&M play half the season for the next 8 yrs and never make a post season game…
Here is where I will argue. In every world series line up you need 3 stud hitters. Then you add your defensive people, speed people. Then you also need 2 stud starters and a good #3. Plus a bullpen.
If healthy the Twins have their 2 stud hitters and Willingham can be the 3rd. I just can’t see dumping them until you know they can’t play. Besides that I don’t think the return gets you back in contention anyway. I’m in favor of waiting it out another year. If healthy we can plan around them for the 2013 season. If they come up lame again then it’s time to go into a complete rebuild mode.
We need to remember the Pohlads are trying to sell seats at the new park. No Mauer, No Morneau, means no people. Now we are back to Carls way again.
Anyway, thats my opinion.
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Point was easy, it was asked if we liked Cal and his payroll and I responded he won two world series with it…
Al
In 91′ the twins had the 15th highest payroll, 2011 the twins had the 9th highest payroll. You would hope that if you are the 9th highest payroll that you would be a playoff contender or at the least a .500 team…
Our 4 starting pitchers make $18 million COMBINED
M&M make $38 million combinedI couldnt agree more that pitching wins games, but as someone stated we couldnt win with the phillies pitchers right now… It would take the yankees checkbook to make them a contender right now, time to rebuild…. Get what we can for M&M, free up $264 million, find some fresh young legs and arms…
or the alternative is, enjoy watching M&M play half the season for the next 8 yrs and never make a post season game…
Here is where I will argue. In every world series line up you need 3 stud hitters. Then you add your defensive people, speed people. Then you also need 2 stud starters and a good #3. Plus a bullpen.
If healthy the Twins have their 2 stud hitters and Willingham can be the 3rd. I just can’t see dumping them until you know they can’t play. Besides that I don’t think the return gets you back in contention anyway. I’m in favor of waiting it out another year. If healthy we can plan around them for the 2013 season. If they come up lame again then it’s time to go into a complete rebuild mode.We need to remember the Pohlads are trying to sell seats at the new park. No Mauer, No Morneau, means no people. Now we are back to Carls way again.
Anyway, thats my opinion.
I completely agree, Im not talking doing an over night rebuild… Im thinking things will take 3 yrs to get back on track…
In a perfect world, and I hope your right, M&M come out 100% and just light it up… But the way its looking, Morneau’s injury could have him chasing “little green men” for some while to come (hopefully not).. And Mauer has such a vast range of injuries, he seems to be on track to be a permanent DH..
Hopefully I am eating my words, but I think a big move should be made mid-season if things dont change…
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