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I’m glad this has been fun for you Pug. I’m glad you’ve gained some sort of entertainment value while the issue at hand is far more important to others. I will admit I have always thought it was strange while select few individuals will go to great lengths to play the devils advocate with seemingly no agenda. Maybe it is a micro version of today’s political arena. Fight with no real solution ever coming to light. Some will try to provide the factual evidence in hopes we might use this to formulate a solution while others in reality simply find it a big joke. I’ve exhausted my efforts in trying to reason with you pug. I simply will have to disagree with you. In retrospect I should have stopped chatter with you after you referenced how you could care less how many deer are eaten by a wolf or shot by man. I’m sure you will retract further statements or twist the meaning in some fashion. Still I believe we have different intentions when it comes to the discussions on this thread. My hopes were furthered education for those supporting a cause many find in trouble. A wildlife ecology major has agreed nearly 100% with my findings. Maybe BK will agree with you. Again I believe we are able to discuss a wide variety of topics here on IDO. Still if a thread becomes personal where the initial topic takes a backseat there is no place for it anymore.
In closing I’ll leave this thread expressing my viewpoints. Man manages wildlife. Whether you like this or not is not the point. To build the population of a predator with no end goal is irresponsible. By doing this you will decimate animals such as deer and moose here in Minnesota. Elk in other regions were decimated as well. Those states regained control of the Gray wolf. Still this was terrible reactive management that had already did the damage. We are dangerously close to that here in Northern Minnesota where the largest US pack of wolves is growing. I believe we’ve got a big issue on our hand, and it is proven through this thread we’ve got interesting competition while trying to formulate a solution. Even those who seemingly don’t care want to fight and debate it.
Still for those who honestly do care about what will happen on this current road of Wolves vs. Big game I hope you’ll invest the time and effort to further understand the complexities of this issue. I hope you contact Minnesota leaders and share your concerns. We obviously face an uphill battle.
Even coming from a “Deer Hunter” which apparently means I can’t help formulate an effective plan……Minnesota we’ve got a problem. BTW I fish and also support slot restritions and managing fisheries………I know call me crazy. Worse than that Pug…….I EAT FISH.
BTW since this thread started yesterday; At an estimated 60,000 deer eaten by wolves a year you might want to do the math to figure how many deer have been “WHATS FOR DINNER” at the WOLF RESIDENCE on the back forty.
Don’t hurt your shoulder.
Some play devil’s advocate to try and offer a different point of view. Sometimes it works with open minds.
You haven’t reasoned with me. You’ve tried to sway me. I haven’t found one attempt to see the other side on your part. I have seen people called tree huggers and wolf lovers though.
Crazy? I encourage people to keep fish. Not only do I support selective harvest, I encourage it for the benefit of the ecology.
Now if you want to try and turn that statement no me and apply it to wolves, well go back and I have agreed that if they need to be managed they should be. However, I haven’t read much to support that they need to be other than that they kill lots of deer and moose. Maybe I missed something. If I did, I apologize.
I do realize that because of man wildlife needs to be managed, because there will be no natural balance when man is involved. However deer, moose and fish have not been decimated to near extinction.
Do wolves need to be managed now? I don’t know. If the powers that be said they do, then I am all for it. But because I don’t know, doesn’t automatically mean that they should be at this point.
Let us not forget, the reason they almost became extinct is because some people thought that they knew better. That they’d be better off if all wolves were dead. So forgive my cynicism.
AND YES horses probably taste as good as Moose or beef cattle. Don’t worry they’d be more interested in the newborn.
Those don’t count right??
Are we not carnivores ? 
