Permit Holder shoots and Kills robber
Lets see how this one plays out.
October 21, 2011 at 11:16 am
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Permit holder involved in fatal shooting
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October 21, 2011 at 11:28 am #1003090
If what is “right” comes out on top…he’s good.
If the DA follows the law, I’m worried for him.
Based on this morning’s radio reports.
October 21, 2011 at 11:31 am #1003093Quote:
I’m worried for him.
I’m definitely worried for him, but
from me!October 21, 2011 at 11:36 am #1003096He’s got my support. However I think he’ll need it in court. Chasing after a suspect may be his legal downfall………….unfortunately.
October 21, 2011 at 11:41 am #1003099Sounds like he chased after the guy and shot him…while he’s got my blessing, I think he may be in trouble.
He or no one else at that time was in danger it appears, and unless I’m missing something you can’t shoot anybody at that time.
Not a lawyer or have all the facts, but just commenting on what I read/heard.
This guy needs help defending himself, I’ll contribute to it though.
Al
October 21, 2011 at 11:45 am #1003101
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Chasing after a suspect may be his legal downfall………….unfortunately.
Forgot “that he knew the butthead had a weapon and still went after him”.
There’s nothing wrong with tailing the bad guy while calling 911 on your cell.
But I refrain from passing judgment as we all know what’s in the paper isn’t always what totally happened. That and I’m not on the jury.
October 21, 2011 at 11:52 am #1003102He lives in MPLS. We are a little “liberal” here in these parts. The DA will put amazing pressure on this guy – as they are not wild about the conceal and carry law – might make an example out of him.
Major Problems on the horizon for this guy. I am sure a dirtbag is dead and feel bad for him.
Dog
October 21, 2011 at 12:07 pm #1003104Got one thing right. Dead crimnals can’t testify against you!
Nice shot.
-J.
October 21, 2011 at 12:09 pm #1003105Quote:
He lives in MPLS. We are a little “liberal” here in these parts. The DA will put amazing pressure on this guy – as they are not wild about the conceal and carry law – might make an example out of him.
Major Problems on the horizon for this guy. I am sure a dirtbag is dead and feel bad for him.
Dog
Liberal or not conceal and carry is a good thing, maybe d-bags like the robber will start thinking twice. In order to get a permit one takes a class and gets a background check by the FBI. Your people committing crimes with guns aren’t carrying a permit I can assure you that.
I am interested to see what will happen to the guy as well. His life wasn’t in danger which is usually your only defense. Now if he wouldn’t have chased the guy but confronted him and the guy should his gun everything would be fine. Or if the lady would of had the permit and shot him there wouldn’t be a problem either. As far as I am concerned the end result is the same. He’s got my vote!
October 21, 2011 at 12:15 pm #1003107The other side of the story we dont know is what went on when the 2 men had the confrontation before he shot him. If the guy pulled his gun or went to attack him then he might have a stance on this one.
October 21, 2011 at 12:34 pm #1003113“”””
He lives in MPLS. We are a little “liberal” here in these parts”””That might be the understatement of the month…:)
Gonna be interesting I think, hope he has a good lawyer.
Al
October 21, 2011 at 12:51 pm #1003117At first… although I was applauding the guy on the inside, I was also aware that in C&C, they teach you that you cannot shoot at someone who is retreating. If there is no immediate danger, you cannot fire. (at least, they did in my C&C training).
Then… I read the news story… and the criminal pistol whipped an elderly lady. Now… I am applauding on the outside and hoping this guy gets through everything!
I notice in one news report… they are calling this a Homicide. At most, it should be littering for leaving the body on the street!
October 21, 2011 at 1:01 pm #1003123Quote:
At first… although I was applauding the guy on the inside, I was also aware that in C&C, they teach you that you cannot shoot at someone who is retreating. If there is no immediate danger, you cannot fire. (at least, they did in my C&C training).
Then… I read the news story… and the criminal pistol whipped an elderly lady. Now… I am applauding on the outside and hoping this guy gets through everything!
I notice in one news report… they are calling this a Homicide. At most, it should be littering for leaving the body on the street!
Let’s remember we know probably 0.1% of the facts. I guess I ASSUME this guy chased the D-Bag (which will cause legal issues). The D-Bag stops and pulls his pistol on his pursuer and gets shot.
That’s how I read into the story. Not that the D-Bag was shot in the back.
October 21, 2011 at 1:01 pm #1003124Doesn’t say anywhere that he shot the guy in the back. If the thief turned around and raised his weapon isn’t this guy in the clear?
Since he is dead, that would be exactly how my testimony would read.
October 21, 2011 at 1:02 pm #1003125Quote:
Doesn’t say anywhere that he shot the guy in the back. If the thief turned around and raised his weapon isn’t this guy in the clear?
Since he is dead, that would be exactly how my testimony would read.
I’m thinking the DA will argue that the D-Bag should have never been chased and this guy “caused” the confrontation.
October 21, 2011 at 1:08 pm #1003127Quote:
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Doesn’t say anywhere that he shot the guy in the back. If the thief turned around and raised his weapon isn’t this guy in the clear?
Since he is dead, that would be exactly how my testimony would read.
I’m thinking the DA will argue that the D-Bag should have never been chased and this guy “caused” the confrontation.
I’m sure they will, but IF I were this guy, I was getting my cell phone out of my pocket to call the police and let them know the location of this D-bag. I had actually dialed 91 and was just hitting the other 1 when the guy turned around and pulled a gun. He was then forced to shoot the “victim” in fear of his own life.
October 21, 2011 at 1:14 pm #1003128I the CC class I attended a lawyer had the floor for two hours. And I clearly remember him saying 3rd party interventions are almost always a no-no. The lawyer also stated when there is a shooting you will be judged based on “What would a reasonable person have done”. That of course depends on who is sitting on the jury.
October 21, 2011 at 1:22 pm #1003130It is going to be tough filtering the facts from the local news papers. How many days before some relative files a wrongful death suit and how many hours before they show a school picture.
October 21, 2011 at 1:23 pm #1003131I would disagree with anyone who says that at no time was the shooter or anyone else in danger… He pistol whipped an older lady! That in itself should make it justifiable to shoot the SOB.
That being said… If the entry wound is in the robber’s back then he is definitly in a sticky wicket.
– MM
October 21, 2011 at 1:24 pm #1003133The only thing that we know for sure is that local media coverage will be incomplete and innacurate.
Godspeed to the good citizen and his family.October 21, 2011 at 1:32 pm #1003134Had the guy shot the robber when he was pistol whipping the old lady, he’d have been fine as he could have argued that he believed that the robber was going to cause her more harm or even kill her.
Going after the robber and confronting him was a mistake. Now it’s left to convincing a jury that in the ensuing confrontation, the robber drew his gun and therefore the shooting could be seen as justified.
In the news reports it is not being said where the robbers gun was found. Let’s hope it was laying on the ground and not inside his jacket.
No doubt this will touch off an anti-CC movement in Murderapolis. Oh, and don’t foget, the only reason there is crime in Murderapolis at all is because the rest of Minnesota isn’t giving enough in LGA so Minneapolis can afford to have an adequate police force.
Grouse
October 21, 2011 at 1:38 pm #1003139One less scumbag.
Don’t rob people and you won’t wind up ventilated. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
October 21, 2011 at 1:52 pm #1003149Little more details in the Star Tribune…
A man was fatally shot Thursday night in south Minneapolis in what may have been a case of self-defense by another man who interrupted a robbery, police said.
Just before 10 p.m., police got a 911 report that someone had been shot in a parking area behind the Super Grand Buffet restaurant about a block west of Cub Foods near the intersection of Lake Street and Minnehaha Avenues, according to police spokesman Sgt. William Palmer. When police arrived, a man with a gun who said he had a valid concealed-weapon permit told them he had interrupted the robbery of a woman in her 60s. The man said that he chased the robbers, a male and a female, exchanged fire and killed the male robber.
Police took both the alleged female robber and shooter into custody while they investigate his account of the shooting. Two guns — one from the slain man, one from the shooter — were recovered, Palmer said.
No other information was available about the robbery victim.
PAT PHEIFER
October 21, 2011 at 2:07 pm #1003152If they truely exchanged fire(hope the robber shot first) then he will be in the clear.
October 21, 2011 at 2:12 pm #1003154Certainly if gunfire was exchanged, I would think that he’d be let off the hook. Unfortunately he didn’t plunk the girl with him, who probably will be itching to testify against him.
This won’t affect C&C at all. If people protest against it, I will be happy to counter protest as a non-carrying citizen.
October 21, 2011 at 2:35 pm #1003158Quote:
Doesn’t say anywhere that he shot the guy in the back. If the thief turned around and raised his weapon isn’t this guy in the clear?
Some crazy person is going to say that the thief was in fear for his own safety and tried to protect himself….then got shot.
FDR
October 21, 2011 at 2:37 pm #1003160Quote:
If they truely exchanged fire(hope the robber shot first) then he will be in the clear.
Maybe not, if he was out of any danger and went after the sob, I think he may have problems.
On the other hand, even with the loony liberals in this city, it’s quite possible a DA may think going aggressively after this guy might not be a smart move, there are many here who are sick and tired of the crime in this city…and most of us vote.
Al
October 21, 2011 at 2:43 pm #1003164All it takes is one lone juror to think he was justified.
October 21, 2011 at 2:44 pm #1003147Quote:
All it takes is one lone juror to think he was justified.
Can I sign up for that job!?October 21, 2011 at 3:01 pm #1003169Quote:
Little more details in the Star Tribune…
A man was fatally shot Thursday night in south Minneapolis in what may have been a case of self-defense by another man who interrupted a robbery, police said.
The clot thickens.
Just before 10 p.m., police got a 911 report that someone had been shot in a parking area behind the Super Grand Buffet restaurant about a block west of Cub Foods near the intersection of Lake Street and Minnehaha Avenues, according to police spokesman Sgt. William Palmer. When police arrived, a man with a gun who said he had a valid concealed-weapon permit told them he had interrupted the robbery of a woman in her 60s. The man said that he chased the robbers, a male and a female, exchanged fire and killed the male robber.
Police took both the alleged female robber and shooter into custody while they investigate his account of the shooting. Two guns — one from the slain man, one from the shooter — were recovered, Palmer said.
No other information was available about the robbery victim.
PAT PHEIFER
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