Gas Prices Again?

  • big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22386
    #991273

    You see, now I fall back to my water analogy. I can choose to not buy 12 bushels of corn a week. I cannot choose to not buy gas at $95 per week to get to work… yeah I know, I can walk, ride a bike… yada yada yada… be realistic and you should see my point. You don’t help your argument, admitting, the inflated prices drive the cost of everything up, hence, controlling/holding hostage, the economy. It has nothing to do with supply and demand, unless you call that pencil pusher in the 3 piece suit, standing in the pit, buying shares of gas today, to sell tomorrow for a dime more, demand Wait until gold starts the dip

    mossydan
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 7727
    #991296

    Gary, no disrespect to you but what government policies were put in place to drive the price of oil up that weren’t in place two years ago when oil was half as much as it is now. I just want to know incase I missed something. Were the new regulations about safer deep water drilling some of them. They need those regulations or it will be oil on shorelines everywhere unless stricter controls are inplace and ruining whole industries like what happened in the gulf coast. Why should it cost more to be safer at deeper depths when drilling. Those safety precautions should be a concern for those drillers anyway, they should want to do them. I have a hard time rationalizing that the safety thats needed to drill deeper is whats driving the cost up. I know it costs more to drill deeper useing more pipe, safer safety valves but whats that add up too, a 1/2 cent a gallon when they find a 10 million barrel reservior.

    Right now with the amount of oil available in wells that are capped by the thousands of wells thats never had any taken out of them, the only thing that stands out for a reason why theres high oil prices is because they were minipulated to be at the price they are, its not supply and demand because the supply is there.

    I stop into a bar once in awhile and met a guy a few weeks ago and he said he was a retired oil worker that worked the oil fields in Montana, wymoing and North Dakota for 35 years. He hurt himself so many times that now hes on disability because his back and legs are shot from lifting and manuvering drill pipe. He told me don’t let anybody kid you, theres all kinds of oil in wells that were capped 10, 20, 30 and 40 years ago and its still there. I asked why he thought oil was so high and he said so the people who own it and process it can make more money. If theres all that oil then why aren’t they selling it to bring prices down. Its called price fixing in a nut shell.

    I heard it said two years ago on a tv program that ethonol can stand on its own. The industry will only make about 2 to 3 cents a gallon profit but thats enough to keep it afloat, it no longer needs to be subsidized.

    Thats the problem with the oil industry, they can build another one, two or three oil refineries and process some of that oil but they don’t want to because thier making the money they want to make with the amount of refineries they have now. The supply and demand ratio thats put in place now is makeing money for the whole industry so why would they want to put in another few refineries. They could but don’t want to, to keep earnings high and at the price where some have to suffer so some can profit at the levels they want to. My question is why didn’t anyone start building a few new refineries years back when we were talking about this then. Everybody thought a few new ones would help solve the crunch. Here we are 5 years later with high oil prices and no new refineries, it kind of shows me what direction the oil industry wants us to go. Keep prices high so the industry makes high earnings and pass the costs on to us, they don’t have anything to complain about and if they did they’d change it into something like it is now. The oils there and from what I’ve heard alot of it so why don’t they process it.

    arklite881south
    Posts: 5660
    #991305

    I’m still waiting for the answer to your original post stating that the ONLY reason and I qoute that gas prices are going up is because of government refining regulations?? Please humble me with as you present your theory Gary on gas prices 2 years ago to today’s “Slot machine Pumps” how your opinion holds water? Did government refinery costs suspend 2 years ago and then get reinstated? Interesting concept? I’ll continue to await your response on that one to start. BTW America can operate without Coffee. America can sustain without a chunk of meat and for that matter so can our economy. We can choose to purchase different vehicles. Any attempt to compare food or material goods to fuel is simply mind blowing. Inflated prices in both production and delivery to consumers continues to spike costs at the register. Monthly inreases in consumer goods across the board further depletes average American checkbooks. When big oil takes a larger piece of the Pie there will ALWAYS……….ALWAYS be less $$ spread around slowing a consumer driven economy.

    drewsdad
    Crosby, MN
    Posts: 3138
    #991319

    Quote:


    Wait until gold starts the dip


    Gold dipping would be wonderful. Why do you think it is being bought and continues to climb in price? No confidence in paper assets. The dollar declines gold rises.
    The best indicator that the US fiscal policy is crap is $1800.00 an ounce gold.

    dd

    bosman
    DeSoto, WI
    Posts: 914
    #991322

    Quote:


    Our economy is hurting. Not because of oil. Because of government policies that were and are set in place.

    Just always remember, if you ain’t mining, manufacturing, or farming/cropping (generating commodities), you are not generating any money. All you are doing is moving existing money. That doesn’t fix things.


    AMEN! The wrath of elite heavy weights fighting over my little ole $1. Capitalism & corrupt politicians will be the demise of this great nation. It runs so much deeper than November elections, free enterprise, or supply & demand principles. Our culture, our very own society teachs us “more is better”. Unfortunately it’s the wrong kind of “more”. Everything ~ in one way shape or form leads to the almighty dollar. Our economy is like a house of cards with the middle class (commonly referred to as a peasant in the middle ages) serving as the foundation since the Great Depression.

    mossydan
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 7727
    #991324

    You know whats true too Drew is, the gold buying is only temporary for the ones who can afford it. When gold devalues the ones that bought at the higher prices will take a hit when the price drops. Buying gold may be safe for a short term investment but that also drives up prices for the industry that uses gold, thus inflation. The electronics and jewelry industries for example plus many others that use gold will charge higher prices thus ending up chargeing prices that some people can’t afford.

    If the price of oil was half of what it is now there wouldn’t be a rush to buy gold and those higher prices that come from things being made from gold wouldn’t happen. Sure people who have alot of money to work with don’t care and they take advantage of thier buying power but whats it do to the average Joe that gets a paycheck every week.

    If oil would be back down to the $50 barrel price things wouldn’t inflate so much and the economy would run alot better and smoother instead of all these ups and down making for unsure markets and unsure speculated buying. Drop the price of oil and things will stabelize to where thier supposed to be, or closer to it anyway. The lower the price of oil and the more the economy will turn around. This economy will run better with reasonable essentials.

    millerman
    Red Wing, MN
    Posts: 627
    #991326

    Housing crisis: Nothing will change until the goverment changes how that gets handled for the banks. As of now they have no incentive to help you to save your house. When they foreclose on it if they lose money when it sells they get what they lost back from the goverment. I have been there when I lost my job! In the end when I got my job I asked them to re write my loan at the current rate which had come down a lot on a new 30 year note. NOBODY would loose anything. I would pay all my penalties, etc. NOPE can’t do that. What frickin since did that make I ask! Found lots more people that went throught the same thing. Great plan for somebody but as usual not the middle class!
    Tell me this hasn’t effected the economy! I sure hope somebody has a plan they can get everyone behind! If not I pray for my children and what they will have to go through!

    Fire them all!

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22386
    #991327

    It is now a novelty item. It used to be what we based our whole currency system on, then it actually had monetary value and was worth something. Right now it is good for bling and bling does not pay the bills… either the rich will get all the gold and then they can sit and can look at it The rich are using it as their latest tool to build wealth. As long as the average guy, buys into it being so great, the price will go up. The strategy is to buy it on Monday for $1200, sell it on Tuesday for $1300, buy it back on Wednesday for $1350, sell it on Thursday for $1500 and so on…. this can only go so long, when it does unravel, who do you think will have the gold in their hands ??? Have you ever wondered, what makes Gold so much different than Diamonds ??? It is simple, perception in the eye of the buyer. Bling bling….

    gary_wellman
    South Metro
    Posts: 6057
    #991345

    Chris,
    Do your research as to what type of “clean” gas is required for Chicago Research where that gas comes from. Research why the supply/demand causes the gas price to be higher than oil, per average. Meaning that Gas prices are on a higher standard than oil prices.
    A few years back, when oil was $75/barrel, gas was $2.50/gallon.
    Today, oil is $85/barrel and gas is $3.75/gallon.
    If oil is $85/barrel, gas should be about what??? $2.75/gallon?
    Why do you think that it?

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