I just find it so frustrating

  • Wade Boardman
    Grand Rapids, MN
    Posts: 4453
    #989655

    Ultrasound Practitioner Master’s Degree Curriculum and Questionnaire Response by the SDMS Membership

    Article

    We are currently writing a curriculum and proposal disputing SDMS’s 2001 recommendations as they are unrealistic. According to their article there is nobody who is currently in a position to become an ACS or US Practitioner. As you can see in my previous post, our curriculum is more conducive to the putting a current working sonographer into an advanced position.

    drewsdad
    Crosby, MN
    Posts: 3138
    #989656

    Yikes! That is a regimen! But I would imagine that you can work as a tech while in a program working towards becoming an advanced clinical sonographer. Thanks for the answer!

    Joel

    Wade Boardman
    Grand Rapids, MN
    Posts: 4453
    #989659

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    Yikes! That is a regimen! But I would imagine that you can work as a tech while in a program working towards becoming an advanced clinical sonographer. Thanks for the answer!

    Joel


    Joel, I may have misspoken. I was referring to being an ACS in regards to Echocardiography. If we were to develop an ACS program for general ultrasound or vascular ultrasound we would look to a general sonographer or a vascular sonographer. Yes, they could work and learn at the same time. That’s the best education.

    The reason for all the requirements is the fact that an ACS (echocardiography) should be as competent as most cardiologists in regards to interpreting an echocardiogram. Obviously you’d want the most educated person looking at your echo. God forbid they were to missing something serious.

    1hl&sinker
    On the St.Croix
    Posts: 2501
    #989662

    Long thread and so controversial for this site. Any ways the complaining about those unfortunate or even those bilking the system who claim to be unfortunate are getting more scrutiny/srewtiny which is so ironic the separation of classes is running rapid.
    Though its ok for the 2point % whatever fortunate souls that control the money and pay the same amount of taxes as the 1% that cant afford a used car over $2500 get a free ride let alone that 2% whatever gets to hide that money of shore stealing from our tax base.

    Attack the unfortunate there an easy target but sorry to say they are not the root of our problem. Focus on the problem then weed the trivial.

    Wade Boardman
    Grand Rapids, MN
    Posts: 4453
    #989663

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    Long thread and so controversial for this site. Any ways the complaining about those unfortunate or even those bilking the system who claim to be unfortunate are getting more scrutiny/srewtiny which is so ironic the separation of classes is running rapid.
    Though its ok for the 2point % whatever fortunate souls that control the money and pay the same amount of taxes as the 1% that cant afford a used car over $2500 get a free ride let alone that 2% whatever gets to hide that money of shore stealing from our tax base.

    Attack the unfortunate there an easy target but sorry to say they are not the root of our problem. Focus on the problem then weed the trivial.



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    Warren Buffet in the news

    drewsdad
    Crosby, MN
    Posts: 3138
    #989664

    So someone like you has to be a pretty confident guy. You are dealing with life and death. Wilting flower type personalities probably don’t do well in your field. Thanks again sir!

    Joel

    Brian Lyons
    Posts: 894
    #989667

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    I will my pants on.


    After reading a little of this thread I found myself rolling up both pantlegs at the same time!

    drewsdad
    Crosby, MN
    Posts: 3138
    #989668

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    Long thread and so controversial for this site. Any ways the complaining about those unfortunate or even those bilking the system who claim to be unfortunate are getting more scrutiny/srewtiny which is so ironic the separation of classes is running rapid.
    Though its ok for the 2point % whatever fortunate souls that control the money and pay the same amount of taxes as the 1% that cant afford a used car over $2500 get a free ride let alone that 2% whatever gets to hide that money of shore stealing from our tax base.

    Attack the unfortunate there an easy target but sorry to say they are not the root of our problem. Focus on the problem then weed the trivial.


    I won’t even get into the “wealthy don’t pay taxes” debate. Yes, trust fund babies like the Kennedys don’t pay taxes except for what they pay on the interest that they make off those trust funds.

    Congress is the problem. They write the tax laws to reward and punish whomever they see fit. A flat tax across the board would remove that ability. Lobbyists would not be able to influence tax laws. It is so simple and yet it will never happen…..

    dd

    Wade Boardman
    Grand Rapids, MN
    Posts: 4453
    #989669

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    So someone like you has to be a pretty confident guy. You are dealing with life and death. Wilting flower type personalities probably don’t do well in your field. Thanks again sir!

    Joel


    You are welcome Joel.

    I can tell you this. The first time I scanned a 1 day old infant and believed they had only hours to get out of BFE Minnesota and to a facility equipped to handle their pathology (Children’s Heart in Minneapolis) was one of the scariest moments of my life. “What if I’m wrong and get everyone all excited for nothing?” “Are the parents going to sue me? Am I going to get fired for mobilizing a helicopter for nothing?” “What if I’m right?” “Did the patient’s family practice doc just really ask me to explain what I’m seeing to the babies parents?”

    I can assure you, it is a terrifying experience. Even when you are 100% sure you are correct. So yes, 12 years of seeing some god awful cardiac disease plus pushing myself to learn/know as much as possible has instilled a lot of confidence in me.

    I will also say this………………………confidence also means knowing when to say “I need help, I don’t know.” I’m not perfect and I still make errors. Thankfully that’s where I can call in my colleagues and we can look at an exam and come up with a consensus of what we think we are seeing.

    The problem is I expect all my echocardiography peers to put the same effort forward. Unfortunately majority of the sonographers in our profession look at it like it’s just a job that they are done with at 5pm when they go home. So if they didn’t learn it during the day, they aren’t about to learn it at home. I guess that’s where the arrogance comes in when comparing myself to my peers.

    1hl&sinker
    On the St.Croix
    Posts: 2501
    #989673

    Will not even read that link because because the buffet table does not concern me. Your argument is all it is an argument of disappointment in our culture that focuses on the lesser problem, veering us away from the bigger problem . I stated my opinion and woes and I understand your views and your apprehension to the system and I concur to some of those thoughts but this was not attack on your thoughts only my thoughts being expressed.

    Wade Boardman
    Grand Rapids, MN
    Posts: 4453
    #989677

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    Will not even read that link because because the buffet table does not concern me. Your argument is all it is an argument of disappointment in our culture that focuses on the lesser problem, veering us away from the bigger problem . I stated my opinion and woes and I understand your views and your apprehension to the system and I concur to some of those thoughts but this was not attack on your thoughts only my thoughts being expressed.


    I appreciate your thoughts an opinions. For the record I don’t completely disagree. Unfortunately as Joel stated…our congress in it’s infinite wisdom has decided to stick it to you and I and give the ultra-rich a pass.

    mossydan
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 7727
    #989686

    Bravo Drew

    mossydan
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 7727
    #989688

    You don’t know how many people down here think a flat tax is the only way to go,,,and it would get rid of the lobbiests that are paid for by big ________.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #989768

    This thread has been all over the place.

    I’d like to read the link on Buffet, but it won’t let me read it without signing up or something. The deal with Warren Buffet is the guy is an investor. He has a long history of making news and being in the media to influence the market in his favor.

    Here’s some of the other side…
    Forbes Blog
    I don’t trust him any more than I trust the rest of the “super” rich. He reminds me of the Pohlad’s trust fund group that took out a full page ad begging taxes to be raised “for the children” in Minnesota. This of course after the state agreed to help build them a new stadium. How big of them.

    The CBO and by his own numbers show that a tax hike won’t raise much revenue, if any, relative to the debt.

    But none of this should even be discussed by politicians or us average Joe citizens. Things like calling people terrorists and mixing up Elvis’s birthday and when he died are all just a distraction.

    One thing and one thing only should be being discussed by everyone and I quote, “Its the economy stupid”. Jobs and the economy should be the only things we all should be discussing instead of political rhetoric.

    We can discuss turning the government into Robin Hood when things are back on track for America.

    drewsdad
    Crosby, MN
    Posts: 3138
    #989770

    Mr. Pug! I am surprised! How are you going to get “politics” out of the discussion of the economy when a lot of people who can seriously damage or help the economy have making the US into a European like socialist democracy as their endgame? And a lot of those people don’t understand economics and don’t care. When you have a senator from California who suggests that unemployment benefits stimulate the economy there is a serious disconnect amongst our so called leaders.

    dd

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #989772

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    Mr. Pug! I am surprised! How are you going to get “politics” out of the discussion of the economy when a lot of people who can seriously damage or help the economy have making the US into a European like socialist democracy as their endgame? And a lot of those people don’t understand economics and don’t care. When you have a senator from California who suggests that unemployment benefits stimulate the economy there is a serious disconnect amongst our so called leaders.

    dd


    I hear you! The economy doesn’t need a stimulus. I certainly hope Obama’s plan coming out doesn’t include one and that is a non partisan and objective stance.

    Stimulus plans are great stop gap measures. A lot of people like to point to the new deal when it comes to infrastructure work and the economy, but that was during a boom time when America desperately needed infrastructure work to help commerce. Infrastructure work now doesn’t really include building things as much as maintenance work on existing infrastructure and small projects. That will not help the economy.

    What the economy needs is incentive and a bright outlook. I certainly hope policy makers will concentrate on this going forward.

    If the populace would put aside all the other crap and just hold politicians feet to the fire on the economy, perhaps we could change the course of the rhetoric now.

    I am really considering creating a website just about this. If you could get enough of a following to start turning heads of not only the politicians, but the constituents as well, we could really refocus the country.

    I know, I am having delusions of grandeur.

    1hl&sinker
    On the St.Croix
    Posts: 2501
    #989783

    Stimulus, Socialistic are stump words to scare people in some circles.
    If the government were to do something that does not require dumping loads of money into a certain area what would that be?
    A tax cut, would that not be considered a stimulus ? Regardless if this tax cut were for the uber rich or the middle class is it not taking money away from the coffers essentially be like spending?
    Besides spending cuts and good natured talk of a rosy outlook any other action can be considered a stimulus just with a different name assigned to it trying to have the same outcome.

    Do I have the answers ? No! Does one Ideology over the other have the answers? No! Does it help not working together? Nope! Does calling a sheep a goat make a difference ? Its still a sheep right? Rhetoric is here for an excuse not to work together and further divide our society. Lets tell congress to stop the rhetoric and get to work!!!!!!!!!

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #989786

    I clearly laid out what I meant by stimulus and why it won’t work. You are getting into semantics when I had a clear definition.

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