A letter between MOHA and the DNR- your lake

Great, we got guys making jokes about this now, what’s next?

All the Lakeshore Owner’s & Watershed Board’s want is to mange access to make sure everyone entering their uninfested lakes stay that way as long as possible.

I don’t here many other proposed solutions other than trying educate everyone and get them to follow current laws.

Well IMO, from the replys & posts in this forum that will be impossible. When the response to any proposal or just about anything the DNR does comes anger and jokes, then I must form the opinion that no form of trying to educate people/boat owners will ever work. No form of managed access or getting people to follow good practices to slow/prevent the further spread of invasives can work.

Nothing is ever FREE, we ALL need to work together.

We can be part of the solution or part of the problem.

PS: We all make spelling errors and nobody is perfect. Shall we all make fun of others everytime they make a spelling error? Pretty sad & petty!

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I nor any of the Lake Assoc. or Watershed people I have spoke with are advocating Limiting Access, we are talking about Managing Access.

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The “management” that’s in your posts would limit access.

Please don’t take the “joke” about dumping zebs into a non infested water too lightly. If limited access by management does happen on Christmas Lake or other waters in MN, there are some plenty serious people out there that would hurry the infestation along. Then the lake association would have to think of another way to “manage” access.

On a side note, I do not endorse or promote this type of action. But the thoughts have been out there for sometime.

Carroll, I still want to thank you for posting “the other side”. There’s going to be disagreements, but let’s continue to keep it civil.

Off to go fishing!

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I nor any of the Lake Assoc. or Watershed people I have spoke with are advocating Limiting Access, we are talking about Managing Access.
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I’ll ask you again, who’s going to pay for these “managed” devices?
Who’s going to maintain them?
Who’s going to operate them?
And who’s going to fix them on 5:30 Sunday morning when they fail and there’s 15 boats wanting to get in?

No, nothing may not be free, but your sure spending the tax payers money, you have any idea what gates on all the lakes will cost?????

I’m with Pug, toss em in and be done with it…:)

Personally imho your not going to stop them, spend the money on destroying the little buggers instead.

Somehow you people seem to think putting up fences and spending millions are going to stop all this.
And no, I don’t think anybody in their right mind is against stopping the spread, but lets do it right and not like a feel good tree hugger or lakeshore owner who wants his lake protected at any cost to the tax payers.
Al

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All the Lakeshore Owner’s & Watershed Board’s want is to mange access to make sure everyone entering their uninfested lakes stay that way as long as possible.

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It was mentioned earlier in the topic but I made 1 word bold in the quote above to reiterate.

Its about this is “my” lake and the rest of you can take a hike.

is a joker

is a devil

is a devilish joker

Lighten up Francis

This pressure washer bs is just that, bs. The only thing they work on is spraying zebs of easily accessible parts of boats and trailers. They do nothing for AIS trapped between a boat and bunks or rollers. They do nothing for AIS inside the boat, especially the bilge and livewells. Not to mention the remaining water in an outboard and in wake boats as Carroll stated. Steam works due to high temps but again it can only get to certain spots. On a side note I wonder who will be liable when one of these “trained” persons power washes someones paint off their boat. I know I have a few paint chips that if blasted with high pressure would probably start to get bigger. The only things that really work are chemicals and drying. Chemicals are, well chemicals, and aren’t the best for the environment. They are also rather expensive. Drying is the best and least expensive option but the drawback is it takes time, usually a minimum of 10 days from what I have read.

I wonder if these concerned lake property owners and watershed orgs have given thought on how their proposals will effect tourism. How many people didn’t even know they couldn’t get a fishing license during the shutdown? How are they going to know that they need to detour so they can get their boat decontaminated let alone where to get it done?

I feel these proposals that have been generated, especially by the Christmas Lake Association and the LMCD, are knee jerk reactions and panic. They aren’t thought out. The LMCD probably sees money in it for them and more power.

Speaking of money if there is an enterprising person out there this would be a great opportunity to start a business decontaminating boats. I’m sure you’d be able to contract through the DNR, counties and watershed districts.

Do I want zebs or milfoil in “my” lake? NO! We already have spiny water fleas. I want a well thought out plan that is enforceable, cost effective, and reasonable. Not some half baked plan from someone just concerned with property values and keeping people off “their” lake.

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Well IMO, from the replys & posts in this forum that will be impossible. When the response to any proposal or just about anything the DNR does comes anger and jokes, then I must form the opinion that no form of trying to educate people/boat owners will ever work. No form of managed access or getting people to follow good practices to slow/prevent the further spread of invasives can work.

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You are 100% right. And that is why you and the lakeshore richies should just quit. You get something like this implemented, be prepared to be fixing alot of fences and gates.
Don’t mean to sound mean, but the average people will simply not put up with folks with telling them if they can or can’t be on their lake, what time the gates open etc. It just won’t work.
It is great that you are trying to stop the spread, it really is. But partnering with arrogant city folk that own places on the lake will get you nowhere in the eyes of anglers.

The problem with the tagging{besides many] is there are lots of lakes that have invasives in them that the D.N.R. are not aware of yet.I have been on many small bodies of water that have milfoil in them,but they are not on any list anywhere.

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Great, we got guys making jokes about this now, what’s next?

All the Lakeshore Owner’s & Watershed Board’s want is to mange access to make sure everyone entering their uninfested lakes stay that way as long as possible.

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its not “YOUR” lake. It’s “OUR” lake…

the attitude that your comment reiterates, is why there is so much push back, when these associations attempt to do something for the “best for everyone”…

because in all reality, it comes down to the fact that the lakeshore owners feel that it is their lake, and do not want to share it with others.

well, they are wrong, period!

Maybe the state should use Eminent Domain laws on someones house to build a public ramp.

Oh sorry, I forgot. No jokes.

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Great, we got guys making jokes about this now, what’s next?

All the Lakeshore Owner’s & Watershed Board’s want is to mange access to make sure everyone entering their uninfested lakes stay that way as long as possible.

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its not “YOUR” lake. It’s “OUR” lake…

the attitude that your comment reiterates, is why there is so much push back, when these associations attempt to do something for the “best for everyone”…

because in all reality, it comes down to the fact that the lakeshore owners feel that it is their lake, and do not want to share it with others.

well, they are wrong, period!

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still no response to this? interesting….

My passion with invasives is to employ whatever the best management practices are available and known to slow the spread and give us time to find something better or a method to prevent them from spreading even further.

If I have to spend 10-20 minutes driving out of my way to get an inspection done and get a code prior to entering a lake, I’ll do it as long as everyone else entering the lake has to go through the same process.

However, once a lake is found to be infested with Zebra or whatever A.I.S. they are trying to prevent, then the gates, codes & inspections or whatever procedure or prevention measures are being employed stop.

Personally, I do wash my boat/trailer & livewell with a organic soapy water solution when returning home from a fishing trip. Just keeps it looking nice.

Could there be some little pocket of water with a few Larve/Veligers hiding, sure, but as I said, I am using the best practices available. Like I said, I will do the best I can.

Do I beleive we can stop the Zebra’s? NO.
Can we slow the Spread of them? Definitely YES.
Do I think the DNR has all the answers? NO.
Do some of their methods seem like overkill? YES, But, they are trying and testing a number of methods.
Do I think Gates with Codes or Tags may be effective? Yes, in the short-term, giving us all time to find a better method to slow or potentially stop their spread.

Yes, I agree with many others, that the USA & CANADA need to create & enforce rules requiring at SEA dump & refill requirements for Ocean Going Ship Ballast Tanks. If that takes Coast Guard boarding to watch and verify the process on every ship/boat entering the Saint Lawrence Seaway, then thats what needs to be done. Yes, there will be a cost which could be charged in the form of a tariff/toll on every ship/boat preparing to enter the seaway.

Any refusal to have the process verified equates to denial to enter the Seaway.

This problem is NOT going to go away, we will all pay a price, either now or down the road if we do nothing.

Let us all just do the best we can, “Clean, Drain, Dry” and we’ll be doing our best. Along with that make sure everyone at every ramp is treated the same.

If you witness Sportsmen/women being treated different from other boaters, say something & report it to the DNR. Take a picture or video, submit to the DNR & Newsmedia. Unless all are treated equal, there will be problems and rebellion.