Wiscosin History being made

  • Tom P.
    Whitehall Wi.
    Posts: 3528
    #1273160

    YaHOOOO I am off to one of the very first Wisconsin carry classes. Like to say thanks to all the folks and legislature that made this day possible.

    I may never carry but it`s the principle of it, and exercising one of the few rights we have left.

    whittsend
    Posts: 2389
    #983190

    Is there a website where we can find a list of classes/locations if we want to sign up in the future?

    phigs
    Twin Cities, MN
    Posts: 1046
    #983200

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    Is there a website where we can find a list of classes/locations if we want to sign up in the future?


    the way wisconsin’s carry law is written, you just need some sort of training, so you could take training in another state if you wanted to. i’ll check on this, but you might be better off getting your MN permit, as that will cover you in WI, but it will also cover you in more states, then just a WI permit.

    I do not believe that WI has as much reciprocity as MN, but like i said, i will need to check up on this for you to confirm.

    AllenW
    Mpls, MN
    Posts: 2895
    #983202

    Quote:


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    Is there a website where we can find a list of classes/locations if we want to sign up in the future?


    the way wisconsin’s carry law is written, you just need some sort of training, so you could take training in another state if you wanted to. i’ll check on this, but you might be better off getting your MN permit, as that will cover you in WI, but it will also cover you in more states, then just a WI permit.

    I do not believe that WI has as much reciprocity as MN, but like i said, i will need to check up on this for you to confirm.


    The new Wisc law allows a MN permit to work in Wisc??
    Al

    Don Hanson
    Posts: 2073
    #983246

    Hope this doesn’t get too confusing but here are a few of the highlights of the bill.

    The law goes into effect Nov. 1st.
    At that time the the DOJ will start processing permit application.

    The following will be accepted to obtain a permit.
    1. hunters safety from any state.
    2. Proof of military handgun training
    3. law enforcement training
    4. Training from a certified training program.

    Thats all I can think of right now, but if you have hunters safety, are ex-military or police- that will have you covered. meaning you do not need to take a training course.
    You can get training from a out of state source but you still have to get the WI. application.
    Hope this helps.

    http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=6978

    Tom P.
    Whitehall Wi.
    Posts: 3528
    #983324

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    Might want to check this out? Just saw it in the paper today…
    Training Now Offered For Concealed Carry May Fall Short


    What else would one expect coming out of Madison liberal mecca. The group I took the training with are certified nation wide. All states recognize there training program.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #983404

    I’m not going to say WI is doing the wrong thing…but, it is a bit odd if a person knows the history.

    The last Gov. said “If people want to carry, let the carry in the open”. (no training requirements)

    Now, to carry concealed, we need training?

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for ensuring a person knows the business end of the barrel from the rear sight, but this is strange.

    (no cheesehead jokes please)

    AllenW
    Mpls, MN
    Posts: 2895
    #983411

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    I’m not going to say WI is doing the wrong thing…but, it is a bit odd if a person knows the history.

    The last Gov. said “If people want to carry, let the carry in the open”. (no training requirements)

    Now, to carry concealed, we need training?

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for ensuring a person knows the business end of the barrel from the rear sight, but this is strange.

    (no cheesehead jokes please)


    Do we need training?
    Well, maybe not everybody but the vast majority does, and until there’s a way to tell them apart, everybody should go though it.

    Also the class should be involved enough that when you get done with it not only do you know how to carry and shoot well, but when NOT to shoot.

    You spend much time around shooting events and ranges you’ll realize not everybody should have a gun.

    Training on both the phyical, legal and mental aspects of carring a gun should be a requirement for anybody who wants to carry.

    Al

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #983412

    No argument from me…although it seems the last WI Governor didn’t agree with training.

    Mike Stephens
    WI.
    Posts: 1722
    #983414

    Does that mean if I took a hunters safety course 40 yrs ago that I’m good to go???

    AllenW
    Mpls, MN
    Posts: 2895
    #983418

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    No argument from me…although it seems the last WI Governor didn’t agree with training.


    Maybe he figured with a bunch of untrained people carrying guns, a few would go off the wall and kill a few innocents, then he could ban guns entirely??

    Al

    stuart
    Mn.
    Posts: 3682
    #983423

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    Does that mean if I took a hunters safety course 40 yrs ago that I’m good to go???


    I sure hope so.I havn’t forgot a thing from my NRA hunters saftey course I took in 1970 and it dosn’t have a renewal or experation date on it.

    AllenW
    Mpls, MN
    Posts: 2895
    #983485

    I’m trying to remember when during the last hunter safety class I took, they mentioned anything about carry and when you can shoot and not shoot people?

    I think idealy you’d want people who are well aware of what’s going on and the repercussions of pulling a weapon, much less discharging one.

    Al

    stuart
    Mn.
    Posts: 3682
    #983504

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    I’m trying to remember when during the last hunter safety class I took, they mentioned anything about carry and when you can shoot and not shoot people?

    I think idealy you’d want people who are well aware of what’s going on and the repercussions of pulling a weapon, much less discharging one.

    Al


    Common sense?

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18629
    #983559

    Ridiculous not to require updated training specifically aimed at conceal carry in my opinion. Ridiculous. I’ve handled guns a lot my whole life yet my eyes were opened wide at training when the focus was on just the aspects of carry/concealing and all the laws around it including what is considered common sense and what is not. Nobody learned that in their rinky dink hunter safety class 30 years ago. If you think are good to go then great for you. The other 99.9999% are not. Sounds like Wi is just trying not to spend money on the new process.

    Don Hanson
    Posts: 2073
    #983585

    The application form must be completed and proof of meeting the firearms safety training requirement must be provided along with a fee of no more than $50 (the exact amount will be determined by rule). DOJ will perform the same criminal background check it conducts on purchasers of firearms. Within 21 days of receiving the application, DOJ must issue the license or deny issuance and state the reasons for denial. An appeals process is established for those who believe they were wrongfully denied. All applicants who are Wisconsin residents 21 years-old or older, who may lawfully possess firearms, who satisfy the safety training requirement, and who pay the fee “shall” be issued a license. The license will be mailed to the licensee. In order for DOJ to handle what is expected to be an initial flurry of applications, it will have up to 45 days to process applications for the first four months that the law is in effect. After this period, processing time will permanently be no longer than 21 days. Proof of training includes a photo copy of a certificate of completion of any firearms safety course taught by an instructor who is certified by any state or national organization that certifies instructors. All firearms safety classes taught by NRA Certified Instructors, for example, will suffice. There are also a number of exemptions for those who have had military or law enforcement experience. For instance, military personnel who can show that they have completed basic training that involved a small arms training component will be exempt. Those who have DD 214s may send a photocopy with their applications. Photocopies of a concealed weapons license issued by another jurisdiction or of a hunter education program card will also satisfy this requirement. For more detailed information, see below.
    General Provisions
    �� Requires Wisconsin residents to obtain a Wisconsin concealed weapons license to carry concealed in the state. They may not use an out-of-state license.
    �� Specifies that a licensee may carry a handgun concealed or openly. Unlike in some other states, an exposed handgun will not result in arrest.

    Don Hanson
    Posts: 2073
    #983590

    I was posting some info to help clarify what people need to get their permit.
    The permit will also cover open carry. Which means no more locking the weapon in a case when in the vehicle.

    Now for the opinion section- is it a good law?
    The second admendment clearly states “shall not be infringed”.
    It says nothing about obtaining a permit from th DOJ.
    Any politician who voted for – and any citizen that is in favor of such a permit and then claims they believe in the Constitution of the United States is full of [censored]

    cougareye
    Hudson, WI
    Posts: 4145
    #983592

    Quote:


    The law goes into effect Nov. 1st.
    At that time the the DOJ will start processing permit application.

    The following will be accepted to obtain a permit.
    1. hunters safety from any state.
    2. Proof of military handgun training
    3. law enforcement training
    4. Training from a certified training program.


    If all it takes to get a permit in WI is an old firearms safety course, this will go down as another item in the list of things Walker has screwed up since taking office! When are these re-call elections again?

    Eric

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #983598

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    If all it takes to get a permit in WI


    Keep in mind that WI does not require ANYTHING to open carry right now.

    stuart
    Mn.
    Posts: 3682
    #983610

    Suzuki,My class was 2 yrs long.Master hunter safty class.You are DEAD wrong when you say that 99.999999999999% of the other people think differnt than me.Some of us know it is a RIGHT to carry not a privalage. Wiscosin is one of the only states that have it right.

    It was 40 yrs ago and I still carry the revolver my Mom and Dad gave me when I passed.

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18629
    #983619

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    Suzuki,My class was 2 yrs long.Master hunter safty class.You are DEAD wrong when you say that 99.999999999999% of the other people think differnt than me.Some of us know it is a RIGHT to carry not a privalage. Wiscosin is one of the only states that have it right.

    It was 40 yrs ago and I still carry the revolver my Mom and Dad gave me when I passed.


    With your stance on this issue there’s no point in us argueing/discussing because even though we are basically on the same side we are miles apart. I’ll end with my pleasure that Wi is finally allowing conceal and carry. It will make life easier and safer for my family.

    ggoody
    Mpls MN
    Posts: 2603
    #983634

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    Well, maybe not everybody but the vast majority does, and until there’s a way to tell them apart, everybody should go though it.


    We can’t have them trampling on our rights we already have to wear our seatbelts…..

    phigs
    Twin Cities, MN
    Posts: 1046
    #983641

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    Proof of training includes a photo copy of a certificate of completion of any firearms safety course taught by an instructor who is certified by any state or national organization that certifies instructors. All firearms safety classes taught by NRA Certified Instructors, for example, will suffice.


    after reading that, for any of you that are close to the MN border, i would strongly suggest taking a MN course, get the MN Permit To Carry, and then use that as your required training to get your Wisconsin Concealed Carry Permit.

    This will allow you to carry in your homestate, and will also grant you more reciprocity in other states. If you are going to spend the money on a training program, i would strongly suggest doing it this way.

    just my $.02

    phigs
    Twin Cities, MN
    Posts: 1046
    #983647

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    The new Wisc law allows a MN permit to work in Wisc??
    Al


    it satisfies the training requirements, for them to apply for the resident WI permit.

    cougareye
    Hudson, WI
    Posts: 4145
    #983655

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    Keep in mind that WI does not require ANYTHING to open carry right now.


    I consider open carry and conceal/carry two different mind sets which reaaly don’t compare. Just my opinion however.

    ET

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #983661

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    Quote:


    Keep in mind that WI does not require ANYTHING to open carry right now.


    I consider open carry and conceal/carry two different mind sets which reaaly don’t compare. Just my opinion however.

    ET


    And of course I respect your opinion. Some day we’ll have to chat about this, ’cause I’m befuddled. Unless your talking about open carry for hunting.

    Don Hanson
    Posts: 2073
    #983663



    after reading that, for any of you that are close to the MN border, i would strongly suggest taking a MN course, get the MN Permit To Carry, and then use that as your required training to get your Wisconsin Concealed Carry Permit.

    This will allow you to carry in your homestate, and will also grant you more reciprocity in other states. If you are going to spend the money on a training program, i would strongly suggest doing it this way.

    just my $.02


    WI. is honoring other states permits, meaning if your a MN. resident- when the law goes you can carry in WI.
    WI. residents can recieve training from a MN. certified trainer and use that to get WI. permit.
    IT will up MN to decide if they honor WI. permits. This is something that has to be ironed out yet.
    If your a WI. resident I wouldn’t worry about getting a MN. permit at this time.
    Remember a MN. permit will not cover you if your a WI. resident and don’t have a WI. permit.

    cougareye
    Hudson, WI
    Posts: 4145
    #983664

    I’ll admit BK, this is not my area of expertise. But IMO, open/carry and conceal/carry are different mindsets. Use me as an example.

    I’d consider conceal/carry someday if I felt the need. I could carry w/o having anyone judge me on my need to do so, as most would not notice or see the sidearm.

    I cannot imagine open/carry. I won’t use the word never but I cannot imagine it, the same way I cannot imagine wearing black socks with shorts. I would not be comfortable with the people I associate with seeing me carry a sidearm.

    That’s a funny way of putting it, but to me that’s the mindset difference. I agree with your earlier point on the fact that open carry does not require a permit today but you must agree with the thought that many many more people would consider conceal/carry vs. open/carry.

    And for these many many more people, to only need (in my case, a 32 year old hunter safety course when I was 13) minimal to no training on not only the firing of a handgun but the training of when it is ok and not ok to use one.

    ET

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