Seal Coater South Metro?

  • barebackjack
    New Prague, MN.
    Posts: 1023
    #1272408

    Tell me who to call, we had Seal King come out for an estimate today. I know nothing about the stuff so I would like some others to compare to. We have a drive that needs to be done with 4 houses on it, possibly all 4 of them will need doing as well.

    nick
    Lakeville, MN
    Posts: 4977
    #968758

    I texted my coworker to see who he uses, I think he’s out of town, so I’ll have to get back to you, but he was good and cheap.

    barebackjack
    New Prague, MN.
    Posts: 1023
    #968762

    I like the sounds of that!!!

    nick
    Lakeville, MN
    Posts: 4977
    #968765

    Yeah I wouldn’t recommend whoever did ours in fall (don’t know the name anyway) between the light layer they put on and the bobcat for snow removal, it’s half gone already.

    cat dude
    Arlington, MN
    Posts: 1389
    #968775

    My brother has a company that does sealcoating but he is in Iowa at this time.

    Be careful who you get to do this and get them checked out for references.

    They are some bad operators out there.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22533
    #968781

    The prep job should be almost as much as the seal job…. for it to be worth a crap anyways. Looking at doing my own soon… lot’s of research into companies around this area, has me leaning that way Money wise and quality wise, Jet Black seemed like a decent one around here, not sure if they are in your area or not

    carroll58
    Twin Cities, USA
    Posts: 2094
    #968824

    Make sure you get Asphalt Based sealant, DO NOT let anyone talk you into using TAR/Coal Based Sealants. Tar based crap will eat the Asphalt driveway and now against the law.

    As sportsman/fisherman I don’t think anyone of us would think about using the Coal Tar based stuff after reading these links.

    See links for notices:

    http://www.pca.state.mn.us/index.php/component/option,com_docman/task,doc_view/gid,11857

    New Law regarding Coal Tar Sealers

    Coal tar based seal coat for driveways and parking lots

    This provides information about:

    • The use of coal tar-based sealers on pavements such as roads, trails, driveways and parking lots.

    • Background information about coal tar sealers and why they are being restricted by the State of Minnesota.

    • The potential for high cost to manage coal tar-related pollutants which have accumulated in stormwater pond sediments.

    • Work being done at the MPCA to estimate the size of the problem in Minnesota and identify best management practices and potential solutions, and

    • Whom to contact if you have questions.

    New Law (2009)

    In May of 2009 the Minnesota Legislature took action to restrict state agencies from purchasing coal tar sealers (see 2009 Session Laws, Chapter 172, and HF1231, sections 4, 26, and 28). The law restricts Minnesota state agencies from purchasing undiluted coal tar sealers effective July 1, 2010. Undiluted coal tar sealers are defined as any sealant containing coal tar that has not been mixed with asphalt and is intended for use on asphalt surfaces, including driveways and parking lots. Asphalt-based alternatives are available that have far lower levels of toxic chemicals; and are not affected by this restriction.

    Background Information

    Coal tar is a byproduct of coal processing which contains high levels of toxic chemicals called polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs). Some PAHs are classed as probable or possible carcinogens to humans. Coal tar is used in pavement sealers commonly called sealcoat. Studies show that PAHs can be released and flushed by stormwater runoff into nearby surface waters. PAHs have been found to accumulate in sediments at potentially harmful levels when seal coat flakes off parking lots and driveways and is washed into stormwater ponds and other water bodies. This is a concern for anyone responsible for managing and disposing of stormwater related sediments.

    The Potential For High Cost to Manage Contaminated Sediments

    In 2007 the City of White Bear Lake was confronted with costs of approximately $250,000 to manage contaminated sediment for just two ponds. The concentration of PAHs in the sediments and the costs to manage them is not unique to this community. PAH contamination is occurring in stormwater ponds and other waters across the state with some studies suggesting that PAH contamination is more concentrated in densely urbanized areas such as the seven-county metropolitan area.

    Work Being Done

    The MPCA is taking action to:

    1. Notify state agencies and local units of government about the coal tar restriction. This work is being done using newsletters and e-mails in collaboration with the Minnesota Department of Administration.

    2. Get the word out to Minnesota municipalities, stakeholders, and citizens about the potential for PAH contamination in stormwater ponds. This work is being done through the MPCA web site, e-mail, newsletters and in collaboration with the League of Minnesota Cities.

    3. Develop guidance and best management practices for treating and cleaning up contaminated sediments. MPCA has a guidance document called Managing Urban Stormwater Ponds to assist MS4 communities with the management of contaminated sediments.

    4. A model ordinance was developed in collaboration with the League of Minnesota Cities and is being made available to municipalities through links to the League of Minnesota Cities web site http://www.lmc.org/media/document/1/coal_tar_sealer.doc as well as the MPCA web site. Currently Dane County, Wis., Washington D.C., and Austin, Texas have developed ordinances and enacted laws to restrict the use of coal tar sealers.

    5. Research is being conducted at the University of Minnesota to determine if biodegradation through composting of sediments can be a viable management option. The results of this study are not yet available.

    6. Provide grants to local units of government for up to 50% of the costs to treat or clean up contaminated stormwater pond sediments or other contaminated waters as defined in statute. Information about grant requirements and application materials will be made available through the MPCA Web site on or before June 15, 2010.

    7. Require municipal stormwater permittees to complete an inventory to identify stormwater ponds, wetlands and other water bodies impacted by the collection, treatment and conveyance of stormwater. For more information about stormwater, PAH contamination of stormwater ponds, or the legislation to restrict the use of coal tar sealers; visit http://www.pca.state.mn.us/water/stormwater/stormwater-ms4.html

    If you have questions, or would like additional information, please contact:

    Dale Thompson

    Minnesota Pollution Control Agency

    520 Lafayette Road. St. Paul, MN 55155-4194

    (651) 757-2776 or (800) 657-3864

    [email protected]

    Good Luck.

    Carroll

    PS: I replacedy asphalt driveway with concrete 10 years ago.

    walleyebuster5
    Central MN
    Posts: 3916
    #968942

    The Mills Fleet Farm Licorice probly has a lot of the same stuff in it.

    barebackjack
    New Prague, MN.
    Posts: 1023
    #969015

    A tasty snack while I work, good call WB.

    walleyebuster5
    Central MN
    Posts: 3916
    #969017

    Quote:


    A tasty snack while I work, good call WB.


    I (and my partners) pounded a bag of the stuff while we pounded the walleyes last night..

    G has a good point with this. My dad has a sealcoating company and I worked with him for more than a few years in highschool and college. The Prep work is the most important. Make darn sure there isn’t any dirt or dust or small rocks before you apply the sealer. Whoever is doing it will need a steel brush to work up and out the grass sides after they peal it back. Then a powerfull blower to get it good n clean. Sealcoat is cosmetic as well as preventative but isn’t meant to last forever.. Every 2-3 years depending on how you remove snow from your driveway.

    You can surely do it yourself and make it look good, just get the right stuff to lay down and take extra time to prep it.

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