Yacht subsidies

  • Buzz
    Minneapolis MN
    Posts: 1814
    #1272108

    I wonder if I could have rewritten off my Ranger?

    If tax reform is going to be part of some grand budget compromise in Congress, U.S. Rep. xxx xxxx wants to start with taxpayer subsidies for yachts.

    The Minnesota XXXXXXXXXXX, along with House members from Illinois and Michigan, rolled out the Ending Taxpayer Subsidies for Yachts Act on Wednesday. The bill would end a provision that allows boat owners to write off their mortgage interest payments if they classify their boats as second homes.

    “We’re going to have to make some hard decisions to tackle our national debt,” XXXXX said, “but this isn’t one of them.”

    Currently, taxpayers are allowed to deduct mortgage interest for up to two homes from their tax returns. Yachts equipped with bedding, toilet facilities, and a kitchen qualify, even if they aren’t used as a primary residence.

    In 2004, there were approximately 500,000 pleasure boats in the United States large enough to qualify for the tax break, but only around 100,000 people live full time on boats according to the 2000 Census.

    Wade Boardman
    Grand Rapids, MN
    Posts: 4453
    #963458

    Buzz, the boats that qualified for this had to have a head and a galley. Any boat with a head and a galley would qualify as a 2nd home and you could deduct the interest.

    cat dude
    Arlington, MN
    Posts: 1389
    #963459

    Sounds like something our elected officials would do.

    yet we are trying to balance the budget, it will never get balanced except on the backs of average Joe.

    bck
    Big Stone Lake Sd
    Posts: 257
    #963464

    Writing off the interest on a boat large enough to live on as a second home is no different than writing off the interest on a lake cabin as a second home.It doesn’t matter how much time is spent at the second home the interest is tax deductible.Seems fair to me, not sure where you get the term “subsidies ” out of this tax law? If I understand you correctly you are against the tax law that says a person can deduct the interest on their second home? I dont agree with this train of thought because many people with lake cabins deduct the mortgage interest, I guess I dont see the difference?

    1hl&sinker
    On the St.Croix
    Posts: 2501
    #963472

    I hope the bill includes this also:

    The tax deduction methods:

    BARE-BOAT CHARTER (bare meaning without a crew): More than 600 big-boat owners in this state annually deduct all their expenses — from moorage costs to the purchase price of on-board plasma-screen televisions — because they let others use their boats for a price. Thousands of other big-boat owners do so nationwide. Most hire management companies to charter their boats, and nearly all chronically lose money, at least on paper. But as one Kirkland couple found out, those who have declared losses at tax time may be out of bounds.

    ACCELERATED DEPRECIATION: A local businessman expects to save $3 million on his taxes next year by depreciating half the purchase price of a 130-foot yacht under a provision of the Bush administration’s tax-relief laws. A yacht dealer in Annapolis, Md., said 10 of his customers are doing the same. The measure expires at the end of the year.

    CORPORATE YACHTS: The region’s largest real-estate company and a small electrical contractor in Poulsbo both have a showy asset — a corporate yacht — and both write off the expenses at tax time. Other companies that own yachts, including Paccar, wouldn’t discuss whether they claim deductions related to their boats. Some companies say a yacht isn’t a business expense, while others defend the deductions.

    SECOND HOME: A small sleeping platform, a propane camp stove, a port-a-potty and a tiny sink with a water supply are all you need to qualify your boat as a second home. The law says you have to stay on the boat 14 days a year, but boat owners say nobody checks. A Tacoma yacht owner says the second-home deduction helped lower his tax bracket, while boat manufacturers say they install the necessary amenities on small boats with cuddy cabins so buyers can qualify for the tax break.

    Each of these tax breaks is examined in detail in this series. Today, separate articles cover the depreciation and corporate-yacht deductions. Tomorrow’s coverage will include stories on the second-home and bare-boat charter deductions.

    IRS officials said they don’t keep track of how much money the government could collect if these deductions were eliminated. Conservatively, the annual total could approach $1 billion.

    fishinfreaks
    Rogers, MN
    Posts: 1154
    #963491

    So if I bring my sleeping bag, a pi$$ cup, and a grill on my Skeeter, I can write off the loan on my taxes?! I pretty much live on it from May to September.

    cat dude
    Arlington, MN
    Posts: 1389
    #963500

    I guess I should sleep in my boat a few more times this summer as I already cook food while cat fishing.

    Deduct the boat Eh!!

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #963525

    Its the new dem strategy of calling tax credits subsidies. When the government pays people and companies money for nothing in return, that is a subsidy. When people are able to write some things off as a part of business and living expenses it is a tax credit.

    1hl&sinker
    On the St.Croix
    Posts: 2501
    #963706

    Whew! I had to sit down after that spin, got a little light headed there for a second.

    jd318
    NE Nebraska
    Posts: 757
    #963710

    Quote:


    Its the new dem strategy of calling tax credits subsidies. When the government pays people and companies money for nothing in return, that is a subsidy. When people are able to write some things off as a part of business and living expenses it is a tax credit.


    Actually, a credit is a reduction of the tax. When someone “writes some things off as part of business” as you say, it is an expense or a deduction.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #963760

    Quote:


    Quote:


    Its the new dem strategy of calling tax credits subsidies. When the government pays people and companies money for nothing in return, that is a subsidy. When people are able to write some things off as a part of business and living expenses it is a tax credit.


    Actually, a credit is a reduction of the tax. When someone “writes some things off as part of business” as you say, it is an expense or a deduction.


    You get my point. In any event, it is not a subsidy.

    As a renter, I want to end all you home owners getting a subsidy for interest paid on your mortgage.

    1hawghunter
    Grand Rapids, MN
    Posts: 699
    #963762

    My Ice Castle qualifies also. I spend a lot of time in it every year. Has all the comforts of home.

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