Lets Talk Water Temp

  • biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1292718

    Last Friday fishing out of Two Harbors I used Grant’s advice and went in search of warmer water for bigger lake trout. Almost every time out I give an attempt to find this warmer water and struggle to find something that really stands out. I have fished the bug slicks with some success, but never found a pattern directly related to the water temp.

    This time was different. I drive out of the harbor in a SE direction about 4.5 miles and watched the temp graph on my locator until I found a peak, then drove back to find the warmest water which happened to be 58 degrees. I dropped my lines in and within a minute I marked what looked like a fish on the graph at about 40 feet down and within 5 minutes had a rod doubled over and taking out line.

    I got this lake trout to the top and struggled to get it close to the net right away and lost it on its third run. I’d say about 15 lbs or so. Not massive but a nice fish. I headed back in to bring the FW back out and found that warmer water was almost gone, but we did manage 2 small lakers in that same spot.

    So, the question is, is this what I’m looking for every time out? Am I looking for this peak and then a drop?

    I was out of Silver Bay yesterday and tried looking for the same thing but only saw the water temp rising above 60 degrees over 8 miles out. I finally stopped where it looked like it started to plateau, fished for about 2 hours and didn’t catch anything. I did however mark some rather large returns between 110 and 130 feet down. Either they were small schools of baitfish or rather large fish.

    I’m just looking for a little more direction when I head out into no-mans-water. My graph doesn’t mark fish when traveling over 10 mph so its hard to cover water at high speeds looking for fish.

    mark-bruzek
    Two Harbors, MN
    Posts: 3867
    #1191746

    What you need to remember is that is only surface temp, a few feet deep. Surface temp is only part of the equation. Down temp also plays a role. get down 10,20,30, or 40′ and you have entirely different temps.

    I have to admit that I am not sold on the whole surface temp deal. Yes it will hold Bows and keep fish in the upper part of the column. But specific species are going to search out their comfort temp( bait too), feeding can take them out of it. Can surface temp searching help? Im sure it does but I have had stellar days in 47 degree surface temps. (my lures are down 30-40′ )

    When fish are not holding on structure the temps (surface and thermoclines) and bait serve as the “structure”.

    Guys on Michigan swear by down speed as well with currents that affect the travel speed (action) of the lure. Go with or against the under current and lures act very differently and also will run and different depths with more or less drag in the currents. We really dont see as many probe users on Superior but I have to believe there are surely connections there with currents. A new toy I need to add.

    Surface temp is only one part of the equation and not always a factor. My $.02

    Tom Sawvell
    Inactive
    Posts: 9559
    #1191801

    Mark’s comments are mirrors of what we find on Gitchie around Two Harbors. His thoughts on the current speed are also something that comes into play at times depending on the species you’re targeting.

    I know from past experiences just standing on the breakwater casting that wind direction can play a huge part in pushing warmer surface water in favorable ways. During the heat of summer, a SE wind for two consecutive days will have salmon within casting distance of the breakwater but lake trout can still be caught from the deep water right under where the salmon hit. This makes me think that surface temperature is a very relative term. Wind can shallow up the depth of surface temps. Currents and slicks can mess with surface temp penetration and the sheer volume of ice water [43-44 degree, year round] in that lake will most definitely create a thermal barrier that limits warm water temps’ depth penetration.

    The original poster mentioned slicks. These are, in part, something that occurs due to currents, wind and water temps. Part of a slick is the merging of two masses of water at different enough temperatures to create a definite line between them. A slick’s boundaries are very obvious. Slick’s created during fall weather are perhaps one of the best places to fish. We troll fall slicks using a simple stick-bait approach on a long line….200 feet out, 10 pound mono….with a one-half ounce in-line sinker 8 feet ahead of the swivel. We choose baits by color with deep orange and red/orange crawfish shallow divers being great for loopers while the same in a green back silver belly or blue back silver belly are right on the heels of the orange patterns. We’ve never had to fish more than 10 feet deep to get fish from a slick which I think tends to support the idea this surface temp idea.

    I spend a lot of time on the breakwater casting and that allows me to really take a serious look at what the water is doing, especially when I am getting hits and/or fish. One thing that hasn’t been mentioned is under-tow. I’ve seen a moderate chop on the lake coming from the S-SE which puts it coming straight into the end of the breakwater. At the same time I’ve seen loose schools of herring fighting to swim in the same direction while only 15-20 feet down in the water column. The water being pushed into the bays and shorelines has to be displaced somewhere and like in the oceans it goes down and out creating the under-tow. Where I cast will depend a lot on whether the under lying current is very strong or laid back. Watching the mud lines created by ore boats’ maneuvering in the harbor vent into the lake supports this very nicely.

    I think that being aware of how surface temps and wind and slicks and everything helps to make people better anglers, its still totally surface observations. Locators with down and side imaging will certain help to show fish position and help create an approach to catching them, but without sophisticated technology to tell what’s really happening very soon after leaving the realm of the surface, its hard to say what’s really going on and we are left to speculation. Sometimes it works, sometimes we draw the goose-egg. There are times when I do much better standing on the cement and casting that the boats do and I think its because I have such a limited area to fish. It forces me to figure out what is happening right there and not having to look at the lake as a whole. Understanding in detail what takes place in that small area certainly has been a huge help when I am in the boat.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1191856

    Great info guys. I’ve always understood that the surface temp is only a small piece of the puzzle, but it is one of the things I can monitor. I’m hoping to get more knowledable about what else I can look for regarding water temp.

    There a lot fish to be caught near shore, but it seems that the bigger fish are out chasing the food. For me, I enjoy targeting both.

    I hope to be up a couple more times this year.

    What “stricture” should I be targeting for lake trout at the end of the season? I know they spawn in the fall, so would reefs be best for all sizes?

    Tom Sawvell
    Inactive
    Posts: 9559
    #1191893

    Fish Two Harbors and locate the “humps”….a couple or three piles of rock and slop dredged out of the ore harbor and that’s been dumped out in the open basin to create habitat. Does the habitat thing nicely. If you are standing on the outside edge of the end of the breakwater looking down towards Knife Island as noon, you want to head into the lake from that corner at about 10:45 and run out a half mile or so on that heading. You’ll be in around 115-118 feet of water and the first hump will rocket off the bottom and top out at about 52 feet. September will have all kinds of trout hanging on the hump. If the wind isn’t blowing you can jig the tops effectively or you can work the top and areas along the breaks with riggers or deep dipsies. We like to set the bombs at 40 feet and run right over the top. If we see fish marked we’ll pop the lines from the releases and set the rods back in the holders while we run the balls up. The slack line created causes the baits to stop dead for a second and then as the bow in the line gets taken up, the lures start to rise and flutter like nuts. This can really set those trout off. With electric riggers this isn’t much work. Hand cranks you may want to think about this technique unless you had lots of Wheaties for breakfast.

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