French Lake Muskies need help!!!!!

  • agentesox
    Minneapolis, Minnesota
    Posts: 78
    #1292202

    I was asked to post this from Shawn Kellet, President of TC Muskies Inc.We thought with the growing number of Musky fisherman on this site and that many of you are from the southern part of Minnesota you might have some interest in this.

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    Hey guys, I’ve just been invited to a meeting with the Darkhouse association, a local sportsman group, and lakeshore association to discuss spearing on French Lake MN. Needless to say I don’t think that any of those organizations are going to be very pro Muskie.

    I’m going to be making some calls to see if it’s an open or closed meeting. If it’s an open meeting I’ll be trying to rally the troops. The meeting is Monday 8/22 in Fairbault @ 4pm at the Elks Club if anyone is interested. I’ll post more info as I hear it.

    Shawn Kellett

    President

    TC Chapter MI

    agentesox
    Minneapolis, Minnesota
    Posts: 78
    #378692

    Looks like it’ll be an open meeting to discuss allowing Darkhouse spearing on the only Muskie lake south of the metro.

    http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/news/releases/index.html?id=1124223446

    I can imagine only one reason they would want to Darkhouse
    spear a lake with such a low Pike population

    Anyone who has an interest in preserving the fine Musky fishery that French Lake has to offer I urge you to attend and voice your concern.

    gary_wellman
    South Metro
    Posts: 6057
    #378785

    Jason;

    I will not be able to attend.

    However,
    I can give some solid “history” to the lake and “many” of the homeowners.

    I spent my summers on this lake from the age of 2, up to 22.

    I was “there” when they stocked the muskies. It wasn’t a “happy momement” on the lake. Many objected to it.

    In the early years, French lake was a FABULOUS lake for crappies and walleyes. Very little sunfish population. It had some decent lg mouth bass as well, along with a “fair” population of pike.

    Back in the mid-to-late 70s, we (along with everyone else on the lake) would go out in pontoons and crappie fish. With 4 to 10 people in a pontoon, we would limit out our crappies each and every day. We would eat crappies every other day for either lunch or dinner. What we didn’t eat, we took home for the freezer. What we didn’t want in the freezer, we gave away.

    Our pontoon did this, along with approximately 20 to 30 pontoons each weekend (maybe 10 pontoons during the week).

    It was a consistent harvest of crappies. We also walleye fished and caught walleyes while crappie fishing too. Each walleye, whether it was 10″ or 25″ was cut up. If it made it to the boat, it never got returned.

    Back then, the lake also didn’t have much for weeds. Today, it is mil-foil choked.

    This went on for years, and even the Gov back in the late 70s or early 80s went there for the “opener” for walleye fishing.

    Then they stocked it with muskies.

    At the same time, the crappies and walleyes started to diminish. Weeds (mil-foil) started to grow. And sunnies started to become abundant in the lake. All the local homeowners/lakeshore owners started to blame the muskies for eating all the walleyes/crappies. Even though the sunfish were in large abundance, the muskies were “only eating the crappies/walleyes”.

    Truth to the historical fact, is that Shields & Mazaska lakes were experiencing the same effect. The crappies/walleyes were “disappearing”, the sunnies were becoming abundant, and the mil-foil in those lakes too, were becoming thick.

    Even though this same phenomonen was happening on other lakes, the muskies were blamed for being “eating machines”, destroying the quality fishing on the lake.

    With the locals “hating” the muskies, many were on the “hunt” to eliminate them. Lakeshore owners are stabing them at their docks, fisherman are cutting bellies, and people are killing them, if they caught them. The locals took the law into their own hands in attempt to eliminate them out of French lake.

    This statement is NOT an opinion. This statement is fact, based on growing up on the lake and hearing all the locals talk about how they were doing this to the fish. I personally seen a mid-30″ muskie get back-stabbed by a homeowner under his dock with a 5 prong pitch fork.

    Also, you throw in the “older mentality” of eating what you catch. Meaning many muskies in the 30″ range were used for table-fare. They were eaten. They get eaten to this day.

    My opinion on the reason for the lake changing is due to the lake being in a farm community. The runoff of the local fields and farms is bringing high amounts of phosphorus, which is creating the alge bloom. This phosphorus is coming from potash, if my memory serves me right. 30 years ago, the amount of chemicals put on a field was not very high. Back then, 5 gallons of “Lasso” was put on an acre. Today, it is about 5 ounces (or less) of Lasso put on an acre. Why is it less today?, because the chemical is so highly concentrated and so deadly. Today, the local farmer cannot apply his own herbicide or insecticide to his fields, unless he is licenced by the state, by going through test. He has to contract his field spraying out to the local co-ops for application. Today’s “farm chemicals” are considered deadly poison. These chemicals are running of the fields and contaminating the local waters. There is also the manure run off of farms that is also contaminating the water.

    In a nut shell, 30 years ago, we didn’t have the alge bloom, like we do today.

    DNR surveys are showing today, that the pike population is very low, and the crappies are appearing abundant “today”.

    With the pike population low, there is absolutely no reason to spear in this lake, other than the locals wanting to harvest the muskies.

    Jason,
    Feel free to print this off and take it to the meeting.

    gundez-71
    South Minnesota
    Posts: 675
    #378803

    GARY, VERY WELL SAID. MY PARENTS HAVE HAD A PLACE ON FRENCH LAKE SINCE 1955. JUST LIKE YOU STATED BACK IN THE 60’S & 70’S FISHING COULD BE JUST SHORT OF FANTISTIC. BIG CRAPPIES, WHITE BASS BY THE MILLIONS AND BIG WALLEYES. THEN THE LAKE STARTED TO CHANGE. WEEDS STARTED SHOWING UP. WHEN THAT HAPPENED FISHING WENT TO —- IN A HAND BASKET. I WAS THERE WHEN THE MUSKY WAS PUT IN AND WE HAD NEIGHBORS THAT JUST HOWLED ABOUT IT. ALOT OF YOUNG MUSKIES MET VERY UNTIMELY DEATHS TO THESE PEOPLE. THE MUSKY IS NOT THE PROBLEM. GETTING THE LAKE BACK TO HEALTHYNESS IS. IT IS BEING WORKED ON BUT THERE HAS BEEN SO MUCH DAMAGE DONE OVER THE YEARS BY ALL THE WEEDS THE BLOOM AND THEN DIE AND ROT ON THE BOTTOM. IT MAY SOUND RADICAL BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE FRENCH LAKE GET ITS BOTTOM PUMPED. TO GET RID OF THE SEED CARRYING MUCK AND EXPOSE THE GOOD BOTTOM THAT IS DOWN THERE. I DON’T THINK THE WHOLE LAKE WOULD HAVE TO BE PUMPED JUST BIG PARTS OF IT. I LOVE TO SEE THESE MUSKY FISHERMAN CATCH AND RELEASE THESE FISH. I THINK THEY ARE HEALTHY FOR THE FISHERY. BUT I MISS MY CRAPPIES AND WHITE BASS ALSO. SPEARING IS NOT GOING TO FIX ANYTHING. PEOPLE WHO THINK IT WILL HAVE THERE HEADS BURIED IN THE MUCK ON THE BOTTOM OF ALL THESE LAKES THAT ARE MISSED UP BY THESE WEEDS. JUST MY 2 CENTS. ONE OTHER THING I VWOULD LIKE TO SAY IS NO ICE FISHING ON FRENCH LAKE. A LAKE LIKE THAT CAN’T TAKE PRESSURE OF 400-500 FISH HOUSES YEAR AFTER YEAR.

    GUNDY

    gary_wellman
    South Metro
    Posts: 6057
    #378806

    Agreed!!!

    The old rockpile was just that! A rockpile!!!! You could see the rocks in 4fow. Great spot for crappie fishing.

    Now, the rockpile is a mil-foil choked hump that you cannot see the bottom and you cannot motor accross it because of the weeds.

    In a nutshell, the lake changed and the fish in the lake adapted to the changes. Just like any other lake as it changes…….

    What I’m perceiving here is nothing but a ploy to spear muskies……….

    UncleGrump
    Dodge County MN
    Posts: 221
    #379013

    Gary, others

    Before you point your finger to much at the folks who feed you, I think you might want to look a little closer to the water for causes regarding the problem w/ high nutrient counts.

    I have seen a number of articles which point out that URBAN and SUBURBAN run off from lawns, parks, golf courses etc have a effect on our waters too – not to mention household septic systems.

    For a farmer to put excess fertilizer / chemicals on his fields, and then have it run off is just a waste of $$, and they have tight bottom lines as it is. I’m not saying that farmers are blameless – but there is alot less than you might think.

    Here is a link to an article on DNR’s web site:

    http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/shorelandmgmt/guide/waterquality.html

    Take a look at the lake homes you see – the imaculately manicured lawns (not to mention green), and the small amounts of natural vegatation that remains. In many, many – if not most instances these days, we’re not talking one or two room cabins in the brush any more. Instead we have year around homes. The septic system that was adequete for a 2 room cabin is grossly over worked by a year around house. And many cabins are rebuilt in to houses w/o a corresponding upgrade to the septic system? This all impacts water quality, and our wildlife – furred, feathered and finned.

    I saw an article a while back, might have been in the Star-Tribune, about the issue of phosphorus in lawn fetilizer – that the legislature is trying to get it outlawed for residential use. That’s a start, but also think “detergents” – plain old laundry soap has gobs of it – and the PH is what sets off alge blooms. Remember those comments I made about septic systems? Its the PH that “makes those whites white, and colors bright”.

    I am not a farmer, nor am I employed by the ag industry – I do however have an interest in it (agriculture), and relatives who are farmers. They do care about the land and our resources. They have to – their lively-hood comes from the land – and waters.

    Thanks

    UG

    Pig-hunter
    Southern Minnesota
    Posts: 600
    #379062

    You’re right UG. But you can’t say field runoff has no effect. I’m just gonna make an example. I fish a lot of lakes here in southern MN and generally, the ones that have farms near them, are the ones that are the greenest. I know some lakes that have zero or very few houses on them that are still green.

    Now, that’s not saying it is all farmers’ fault, it’s not. But there is an effect. Alot of it, I don’t even know if it’s the chemicals. It might be just the mud runoff that causes algae blooms.

    Take lake Francis for example, it doesn’t have many farms near it, is littered with homes, and it is the cleanest lake around that area.

    The lawns and septic systems are a big problem too. Everyone and their “rich” brother, thinks they have to have a place on the lake with the nicest landscaping known to man. Well, you’re right, it’s hard on the lake.

    At one time, (back before we were around), I’m sure there wasn’t the tillage or lake homes around that there are now and the lakes were clean. They’re always going to be a little colored, just because of the way they are made, but I’m sure they didn’t turn into green paint, like some of them do now.

    Most farmers are real good and do care about the lakes and care for their land with great respect. Some things can’t be helped though. If there is a field next to a lake, it’s going to run off into it, period. The only way this won’t happen is if land near the lakes is left to do what nature intended for it.

    About the muskies in French. I don’t know why anyone would want to get rid of them. French is a good muskie lake and it’s right here in southern MN. You have a real good chance at hooking a fish every time out there. More than you can say for some good muskie lakes up north. People are just not educated and think that the muskies are eating all the walleyes. That’s hogwash. Look at Mille Lacs. World class Muskie AND walleye fishery. Look at Winnie, look at Moose, man you could go on and on.

    UncleGrump
    Dodge County MN
    Posts: 221
    #379109

    Pig-hunter

    I won’t argue with you – there are slobs in the “ranks” of all – take any group of people – and you will find them.

    For example – slob hunters – slob fisherman – litter bugs, farmers who don’t control run off – you name it.

    I also agree with you on the subject of erosin – that is the source of much of the silt which is showing up on lake bottoms – the muck that Gary alluded to. But is it “ag” induced? Some – without a doubt. But lets also look at road construction, home and building development, any time the
    earth is disturbed and it rains or there is moving water present, erosin is present.

    And incidently _ I don’t want spearing on French either. For that matter, I think spearing’s time may have come and gone. And I’ve speared in the past.

    UG

    Pig-hunter
    Southern Minnesota
    Posts: 600
    #379122

    Alot of the runoff is the same it has been for years. I’m sure new fields and areas that have been tilled are controlled more, but fields that have been around for a while I know some have tile that runs into the lake, I’ve seen it.

    I’m not against spearing, just spearing on any lakes with muskies in them. They are too easy to mistake and some guys will use that as an excuse too.

    Alot of people still like to spear, and it is fun, I’ve done it. I also don’t think there are enough people that do it, where it’s gonna take a big dent in the northern population anyway. Just worried about the ski’s.

    gary_wellman
    South Metro
    Posts: 6057
    #379165

    Uncle Grump.

    Totally understand your message. However, let me elaborate a bit more on where I’m coming from. This may get long winded, but please bear with me!!! Thanks in advance!

    I come from a long, long line of farming. My whole ancestry from the time my 4 great-grandfathers set foot in this country back in the early 1800s has been all about farming and cattle ranching.

    My father farmed and raised cattle, along with his 5 brothers.

    My mother’s 3 brothers farmed and raised cattle. I have 2 cousins that farm over 25,000 acres in North Dakota.

    My father use to spray herbicides and insecticides for Cenex, along with being employed by the Grain Exchange for a number of years.

    As for my father and mother meeting back in the late 1940s, was due to my father’s father and my mother’s father doing business of buying/selling cattle.

    Along with this, in my short term of college I studied AG business. I was also extremely active in FFA (Future Farmers of America) and in high school, studied alot on the effects of chemicals applied to agricultural lands, along with “NO-TILL” farming.

    Today, I have multiple immediate family either working for Harvest States, Cargill, or ADM.

    I hope this secures my credentials on this to some degree. I’m not trying to be a jerk here, for it is not my intent.

    However, fact is fact. And current fact is that the chemicals being put on the fields are effecting the current environment. It is proof, there is no dispute. “Yesterday’s” application of chemicals, took approximately 500,000 ppb to kill a rat. Today, it is approximately 5 ppb to kill a rat. These chemicals are carcinogenic. Proof.

    Yes, the local lakeshore resident is applying lots of phosphorous to their lawns, making them green. However, that comparison to the amount of chemicals applied by farmers is like blaming our SUVs for making our problems with air pollution. Yes, the SUV (all autos combined) may have some effect, but it is minimal when compared to larger activities of fossil fuel burning when it comes to air pollution.

    The unfortunate part of this puzzle is a study I did years back for one of my mid-term papers. It was the “cause-effect” and “what-ifs” on the use of chemicals today on our farms.

    In a nutshell, it breaks down to this………

    “WE” know without doubt, with solid fact, that the chemicals today are wreaking havoc on our farms. It is creating pollution that our ground cannot filter the water fast enough and clean enough, to make it safe once it reaches the water tables.

    That is why today, well requirements keep getting deeper for drilling to stay away from the ground pollution that our water is absorbing. Today, in our area, the Jordan Vein is required for homes when it comes to well drilling. Even though, where I use to live, the water table was only 6 feet down, we couldn’t use that water, for it was contaminated.

    On the consequential side of things, if the farmers didn’t use the chemicals, and didn’t have 200 bushel corn per acre and back to 60 bushel corn, our prices out increase drastically. The same applies to all “canning” foods (sweet corn, peas, snap beans, sugar beats, etc). Instead of buying a dozen ears of corn for $2, you would be paying $10 for a dozen. Our fiscal society cannot handle that type of demand and that drastic of a change. It is basically no different than burning fossil fuels. We know it is no good, we know we are going to run out, BUT we have to use it……….

    Again, I’m not knocking the farmer. Farming is not only a business; it is a way of life. You have to do what you have to do to survive. Today, that survival is through the use of chemicals.

    At the age of 11, my father rented out some incredible land. It was full of pheasants. Must have had 2000 pheasants living on the slough on the land. One year later, there were about 100 to 150 birds. The next year, there was nothing but a couple, maybe a dozen at best. My father came in there with Lasso and sprayed the hell out of that ground. He also watched pheasants eat seed corn, as he planted. The pheasants actually followed the planter and picked the corn out of the ground.

    Do you have any idea what would happen to any human, if they ate 20 kernels of seed corn today? I don’t know if you would make it out of the hospital? Today’s seed corn is coated with insecticides to protect the kernel from insects while it germinates. It is a poison that would knock you or me to our death beds. We watched these pheasants eat them……….

    It is a common understanding in my family, the effects of these chemicals. We know and have personally seen the damage inflicted by them.

    Now, I’m no tree-hugger by any means. I’m not campaigning to get rid of the chemicals, primarily due to the effect that it would have on our economy. However, somebody needs to explain to me, why there is cancer ridding today’s local beef herd. Most people don’t know this, but cancer is commonly found today, in many beef cattle at the slaughter house. I have proof again, for my cousin owns a slaughter house. We were talking about how he keeps seeing more and more local cattle come in that are full of cancer. He never saw this 25 years ago……..

    Now, I’m no scientist or expert. However fact is fact. So all my babble here is stating that today’s farming and the run off of chemicals is effecting bodies of water. There is reason why the Cannon River is listed as a highly polluted body of water, where fish consumption advisery is quite high. It is due to the farm chemical run off and the manure run off reaching the river.
    Thanks for hearing me!!!

    Pig-hunter
    Southern Minnesota
    Posts: 600
    #379267

    Those Cannon river lakes are exactly the ones I am talking about being green.

    gundez-71
    South Minnesota
    Posts: 675
    #379644

    I BLAME THE CHEMICAL COMPANIES. I HAVE FARMING IN MY BACK GROUND AND THE FARMERS ARE ONLY DOING WHAT THEY CAN TO MAKE A BUCK AND KEEP US FED. WITH ALL THE TECHNOLOGY AVAILABLE TO THESE OIL LOVING CHEMICAL COMPANYS THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE A BIO FRIENDLY FERTILIZER!!! TAKE A DEAD CARP OR A COUPLE OF BIG OLD SHEEPHEAD AND PUT THEM IN THE GROUND BEFORE YOU PUT A TREE IN THE GROUND AND THAT TREE WILL JUST EXPOLDE WITH GROWTH NOT FOR ONE YEAR BUT MANY YEARS.

    I REALIZE THAT WE ALL CAN DO A BETTER JOB OF PROTECTING OUR ENVIROMENT. BUT DARN IT THESE CHEMICAL & OIL COMPANIES HAVE TO CHANGE THEIR WAYS ALSO.

    GUNDY

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