Slot set for this spring

  • jhierlinger
    Lauderdale, MN
    Posts: 93
    #1288175

    From startribune.com…

    Walleye size limits set for Lake Mille Lacs

    Anglers visiting Lake Mille Lacs this coming fishing season will be able to keep four walleye up to 18 inches in length, and one of those four can be a trophy take of 28 inches or larger.

    That’s the announcement today from the state Department of Natural Resources (DNR).

    The regulation begins May 10 and requires anglers to release all walleye from 18 to 28 inches.

    The DNR set the lengths after hearing from Mille Lacs area resorts, anglers and others with a stake in the determination.

    The regulation aims to ensure that the state angler harvest falls within the state’s 2008 allocation of 307,500 pounds of walleye.

    Eight Chippewa Indian bands from Minnesota and Wisconsin may take 122,500 pounds of walleye.

    Last year’s range was a bit more generous, with a protected slot of 20 to 28 inches.

    roosterrouster
    Inactive
    The "IGH"...
    Posts: 2092
    #661880

    I like it…It lets us all have a few fish for the fry pan and also lets us continue to take advantage of a trophy fishery and catch those same released fish another day. Resort owners should like it compared to the two fish between 14″-16″ slot. It will keep people coming back for more and the resort owners won’t suffer…RR

    wade
    Cottage Grove, MN
    Posts: 1737
    #661900

    I think this is a very good slot. It gives everyone a chance at a few for the frying pan and then the other added bonus of the big girls out there too! Will this also be adjusted mid summer like previous years?

    walleyewacker18
    Rice Lake, WI
    Posts: 620
    #661901

    Sounds like a great Slot size. I think that four is enough fish for a person to keep. Let em go so they can grow. You need small fish to make big ones!

    igotone
    Posts: 1746
    #661932

    Quote:


    Sounds like a great Slot size. I think that four is enough fish for a person to keep. Let em go so they can grow. You need small fish to make big ones!


    YES 2 this

    resorts can count on it

    FISHMEISTER
    I-Falls/rainy lake, Mn.
    Posts: 11
    #661942

    HI,
    I WOULD LIKE TO VOICE MY OPINION ON THE 4 WALLEYE LIMIT & THE SLOT WHERE RAINY LAKE WAS USED AS THE GUINEA PIG…THE SLOT LIMIT WAS PUT IN PLACE ON RAINY IN 1992, THE D.N.R. & THE RAINY LAKE SPORTFISHING CLUB CAME UP WITH A SLOT LIMIT OF 17″ TO 25″…FISH IN THIS SLOT MUST BE RELEASED., THE CLUB ALSO PUT IN A CATCH & RELEASE PROGRAM WHERE IF YOU RELEASE A WALLEYE IN THE SLOT, GO TO A BAIT SHOP, RECORD IT & GET A FREE CATCH & RELEASE HAT…THIS HAS GROWN INTO 1 THE BEST CATCH AND RELEASE PROGRAMS IN THE U.S., WE SPEND ABOUT 15,000.00 IN CATCH & RELEASE EACH YEAR. FOLKS CAN’T WAIT TO COME BACK TO RAINY LAKE EACH YEAR TO EARN 1 OF THOSE HATS….EACH YEAR A NEW DATE & NEW STYLE. SO WHAT HAS IT DONE FOR THE FISHERY, RAINY HAS TURNED INTO 1 OF THE BEST WALLEYES FISHERIES IN THE WORLD. MANY FOLKS WERE AGAINST THE SLOT LIMIT, RESORTERS THOUGHT IT MAY DESTROY THEIR BUSINESS, ON THE CONTRARY IT DID THE OPPOSITE., THE WALLEYES BECAME PLENTIFUL. A COUPLE YEARS AGO WE TOOK THAT SLOT & LIMITS A STEP FURTHER & WENT TO 4 WALLEYES & 4 SAUGERS OR A COMBINATION OF 8, (NOT MORE THEN 4 WALLEYES) & MOVED THE WALLEYE SLOT TO 17″ TO 28″ INCHES(NO WALLEYES), THE ATTITUDE FROM LOCALS ABOUT OUR WALLEYE SLOT HAS NOW COMPLETELY CHANGED, SO MUCH SO THAT PARENTS ARE TEACHING THEIR CHILDREN THE IMPORTANCE OF RELEASING THOSE FISH, NOW ITS BECOME A CHAIN REACTION & THE RAINY LAKE WALLEYE POPULATIONS JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER.
    I TRULY BELIEVE THE D.N.R. LOOKS AT HOW THIS CONCEPT HAS MADE RAINY A WORLD CLASS FISHERY…WHY CAN’T IT WORK ELSEWHERE?
    OF COURSE NOT EVERY LAKE IS 220,000 ACRES WITH 1500 ISLANDS & 160 FOOT DEPTHS, SO THE PLAN THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE ON RAINY MAY NOT WORK ON EVERY LAKE. THERE ARE MANY VARIABLES, DEPTH, WEATHER, ANGLING PRESSURE, SPEARING, NETTING.
    I JUST WANTED TO LET THE IDO FISHING READERS KNOW THE IMPACT THAT IT HAD ON RAINY. ITS TRULY AWESOME!!!
    SINCERELY,
    FISHMEISTER

    craig daugherty
    Osseo, Mn
    Posts: 689
    #661963

    I’m all for the 4 fish with the slot 18-28 protected. What are we going to do 5,8 or 10 yrs from now when we, the Sportsman gets 230,000 pounds of walleyes, and the Indians get 230,000 pounds of walleyes? This whole deal with netting, lawsuits is like a cancer that is going to linger on and on until something fails or dies….hopefully it won’t be Milacs Lake. When we get to the allotment of 50/50, who is going to supplement this resource? Will it be like Lake Michigan with the Salmon. We, Sportsman, pay a license fee to have the “right” to use the resource, license our trailers, boats, to see it all be slowly taken away. Like I said, this Milacs Lake Case is like a bad cancer, we are only treating the symptoms, not the real problem!

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
    #661982

    FISHMEISTER,

    Welcome to the site. I think I speak for everyone. Please turn off the cap lock. (In other words, please, please, don’t type in ALL CAPS!!!) It is impossible to read and I feel like I’m being yelled at.

    Thanks in advance.

    J.

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
    #661984

    First, we have had a 4 fish limit for a long time.

    Second, I’m dissappointed the announcement didn’t mention the goal of a long term plan. If we agree to the 18 inch slot, lets make it for at least 10 years. Switching the slot every year is BS.. It’s not for the long term stability of the lake, it all politics. If that was the goal at the meeting, then do it!

    -J.

    WeFish
    Fort Atkinson, WI USA
    Posts: 332
    #661993

    Question now does this mean that the Eight Chippewa Indian bands have to follow the same rules when it comes to spearing this year.
    WeFish

    Derek Hanson
    Posts: 592
    #662011

    No, I don’t think so. They can and will keep pretty much everything they want. Their nets are set up to target the males, but that doesn’t mean they won’t keep a big female if they get one in their net.

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #662055

    Wefish, I believe the natives are monitored by net hole size, not fish size. Therefore any fish caught in there nets are killed. I could be wrong on this.

    Like I stated in the other post, I like this slot. If it’s based on sound biological evidence.

    I would like to know the formulas used to determine each factor affecting the safe harvest level for the lake. How the data used in those formulas is collected and when/where collected. I simply want to understand the process at a more detailed level instead of speculating/guessing how these decisions come to be.

    Fish, thanks for the great observations on Rainy. I don’t think anyone here would argue a slot is a good thing for most fisheries, I would argue all, even the ones without natural reproduction. But, back to this post. Unfortunately I think there is only one other lake in MN that can compare to Mille Lacs, Red Lake. This lake is so politically regulated due to the netting issues it’s unbelievable. Maybe Rainy is also netted commercially?? I don’t know. I imagine the Canadians very well may??

    FISHMEISTER
    I-Falls/rainy lake, Mn.
    Posts: 11
    #662091

    Hi J,
    I also moderated a site for 7 years and always typed in caps, so I guess it became kinda of a trademark, actually started doing it as my typing skills weren’t the greatest. However on this site, if it bothers folks, I won’t do it.
    Sincerely,
    Fishmeister

    robstenger
    Northern Twin Cities, MN
    Posts: 11374
    #662099

    Welcome, Fishmeister, it is ok everyone yells at Jon

    FISHMEISTER
    I-Falls/rainy lake, Mn.
    Posts: 11
    #662102

    Hi Kooty,
    Rainy is all natural reproduction, and our slot was 1st set up for 7 years. No netting in American waters, with the exception of 15,000 lbs each year of white fish by a local. The Canadian side is netted for crappies., not positive about any other species, none to my knowledge.
    Sincerely,
    Fishmeister

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
    #662103

    Thanks Fishmeister! My head feels better. Just say no to caplock.

    -J.

    Jack Naylor
    Apple Valley, MN
    Posts: 5668
    #662112

    David,
    Welcome to IDO…
    and thanks for the Rainy info…

    I’m infavor of the Mille Lacs 4 fish limit, and 18 inches seems reasonable.
    Jack.

    Brad Juaire
    Maple Grove, MN
    Posts: 6101
    #662216

    Quote:


    Second, I’m dissappointed the announcement didn’t mention the goal of a long term plan. If we agree to the 18 inch slot, lets make it for at least 10 years. Switching the slot every year is BS..


    I agree Jon. If we implemented a long term plan, hopefully it will also reduce the amount of controversy.

    Mille Lacs is still an awesome fishery – let’s not forget that. Let’s continue to educate one another and also respect the bioligists, the DNR and the Mille Lacs Input Fishery Group for the job they are doing. I accept that they are certainly more qualified to make decisions in regard how to manage the lake way more so than me.

    roosterrouster
    Inactive
    The "IGH"...
    Posts: 2092
    #662231

    What is going to happen in late June when the DNR thinks (via creel samples…) we have caught and kept to many fish ? This thing is by no means “in stone”. They will go back to that goofy 14″-16″ limit 2 thing for the rest of the summer …RR

    timmy
    Posts: 1960
    #662284

    I read somewhere that since fishermen exceeded the quota last season, that this seasons quota has zero tolerance for an overage.

    If this is true (I can’t rememeber where I saw this info), how would a potential overage be handled? Would they shut down ALL fishing on the lake? Since hooking mortality would count – I can not see for allowing any walleye fishing…..and how do you define walleye fishing vs perch fishing?

    Just curious?

    Tim

    craig daugherty
    Osseo, Mn
    Posts: 689
    #662318

    Management of this resource is vital for the economic factors around Milacs Lake. The businesses around the lake suffer when the slot is tight…it seems there “window” of opportunity is or could only be 2 or 3 months, from Fishing Opener to July. A “Stable” slot size for a longer time frame would keep the rollercoaster effect on businesses in check.

    robstenger
    Northern Twin Cities, MN
    Posts: 11374
    #662351

    I too would like to see a long term slot. However on Mille Lacs I think that is not doable for the following reason: Harvest Limits! There are certain things and regulations on the lake that happen that would not make a feasible or favorable long term slot. The number one thing is Save Harvest Limit. Hot bites like what we had last year would mess everything up and just like last year the slot would have to be adjusted. Another factor is the adjusting Native Harvest Level. The natives are not tapped out as high as they can go. They can and I believe have the ability to claim more. And lastly, too many politics involved. I would hate to imagine what the slot limit would be if it was set for a ten year period. Why?? Cause knowing the DNR and doing the right thing would be to error on the safe side and I believe we would end up with a strict (much tighter) slot limit in order to count for the above varying factors. I would imagine if the DNR was forced to set a save harvest slot for a long period of time it would probably be the dreaded 14”-16” limit. That is the only safe way to set a long term slot limit and stick to it without hopefully going over the allotted harvest limit each year. As shown last year, the DNR can not accurately guess how good the bite will be, how much pressure it will receive, etc one year ahead, much less 10 (No Fault to the DNR that is a tough task). I rather see them keep managing the lake as they are currently doing and keep taking studies, creel surveys, etc. and adjust it each year to what ever there “best guess” is what the lake can handle.

    As long as there are safe harvest levels in place to stay under, I think setting a long term slot would not be good for the angler or Resorts and local businesses.

    Again just my opinion!

    birddog
    Mn.
    Posts: 1957
    #662518

    Quote:


    I too would like to see a long term slot. However on Mille Lacs I think that is not doable for the following reason: Harvest Limits!


    Exactly. I have to agree 100% with everything you’ve said.

    I don’t get all this talk of “locking in” and “long term”?? Why on earth would they do this with all the uncertainty surrounding the lake right now? Yep..lock her in so you can change it again in 3 months. No way this plan would be “long term”. I have to laugh when I hear this…I think we all know deep down this “plan” is a joke. I’m fine with new limit/slot as it sits now but it will not stand for “10 years”.

    Set the limit/slot, monitor the lake and adjust accordingly, if need be. That’s all that can be done.

    “10 year plan”…”locked in”

    BIRDDOG

    robstenger
    Northern Twin Cities, MN
    Posts: 11374
    #662574

    Good to hear I’m not the only one.

    I was begining to think so.

    Brad Juaire
    Maple Grove, MN
    Posts: 6101
    #662667

    You make some great points Rob. However, the majority of the people on the Mille Lacs Lake Fisheries Input Group are thinking more of a long term plan. They state that changing the slot so many times over the years have intimidated many people. The slot has changed 7 times in 10 years and that does not count any mid season changes. I believe that is reactive management versus proactive management. The group is simply trying to develop an alternative management strategy.

    Last year we went from a protective slot of 20-28 that was supposed to move to 22-28 and instead went from 0-14, 16-28. This move made many people very unhappy.

    The total allowable walleye harvest this year for Mille Lacs is 430,000 pounds, down from 549,000 pounds last year – a dip of about 28 percent. A poor showing in the fall gill-net assessment played a large role in the reduction. The near-shore net catches, “were as low as they’ve ever been” in the 25-year history of the survey.

    This happened under our current slot management program!

    The department hasn’t been able to determine why walleye numbers were down, but some things lead them to believe it may have been somewhat of an aberration.

    The DNR sets gill nets around Mille Lacs, usually in mid-September. Starting at the south end, biologists systematically work their way around the lake, checking the nets for fish. At the south end, the overall catch rate was down about 25 percent; at the north end – where typically more fish are caught – numbers were down about 75 percent. It was an across-the board (size-wise) decline, indicating angling likely hadn’t taken a toll on any particular size category.

    It’s usually a bad sign for the fishery if one particular size range of fish takes a hit during a particular year. That’s what results from possible over-fishing. That didn’t seem to be the case in Mille Lacs. Again, how accurate are these estimates? The DNR still doesn’t know why (the decrease occurred) or what it means, but are operating like its real.

    The low catch dropped the fishery’s condition (there are three levels) from Condition 1 (the best) to Condition 3 (the worst). What that means is this: In the past, state anglers were allowed to surpass – by a certain percentage – the allocated harvest. Now, the harvest must not exceed what is allowed.

    If harvest reductions are necessary to preserve the health of the fishery, those cutbacks should be borne by both the State and the Bands. Under the present allocation system the tribal harvest may take no more than 50 percent of the allowable harvest this year, or up to 122,500 pounds. (For example, the tribes would be allowed 50 percent of the harvest is the allowable harvest were 245,000 pounds of walleyes.) Tribal harvest, while previously capped at 100,000 pounds of walleyes since 2002, hasn’t surpassed 90,000 pounds. In fact, only twice has tribal harvest exceeded 80,000 pounds of walleyes – last year and in 2005. (State angler harvest peaked in 1999 at 582,000 pounds, followed by 479,000 pounds in 2006).

    Slot regulations should stand as long as they make biological sense. But the guideline should not be the sole basis for evaluating regulations. A one-year spike in the catch, for example, is a natural occurrence and should not trigger a regulation change. Even if the catch is slightly above the guideline after three years, a change may not be necessary unless the gill net index shows an obvious downward trend. If the nets show a serious population imbalance, however, length limits should be adjusted accordingly. Instead of setting a precise angling quota derived from a fictitious population estimates; recommend an approximate long term harvest guideline based on historic creel-census numbers (adjusted for all types of angling kill). Taking into account a Band harvest of 100,000 – 125,000 pounds, the long term plan guideline should be in the 400,000- to 450,000-pound range. The main concerns should be the overall health of the walleye population and the predator-prey balance rather than strict adherence to a computer-generated quota.

    Castaway
    Otsego,MN
    Posts: 1573
    #662678

    I think most people would like to see a long term slot on the lake and it might work for a while with this slot.However if our quota were to drop anymore than it is now I dont think it will hold up in the long run.I dont think it will be a problem this year as after the first 3-4 weeks I think the bite will taper off and so will the traffic.However the fish will rebound and there will be some hot bites in the future and with only 300,000 pounds of fish and factoring in the mortality rate it doesnt take long to add up.I guess we will just have to wait and see what happens.

    castironkid
    Posts: 34
    #662763

    Quote:


    Tribal harvest, while previously capped at 100,000 pounds of walleyes since 2002, hasn’t surpassed 90,000 pounds. In fact, only twice has tribal harvest exceeded 80,000 pounds of walleyes – last year and in 2005.


    Brad,

    Could you post the source for your data in the above quote box?

    Thanks gt

    Brad Juaire
    Maple Grove, MN
    Posts: 6101
    #662772

    Quote:


    Quote:


    Tribal harvest, while previously capped at 100,000 pounds of walleyes since 2002, hasn’t surpassed 90,000 pounds. In fact, only twice has tribal harvest exceeded 80,000 pounds of walleyes – last year and in 2005.


    Brad,

    Could you post the source for your data in the above quote box?

    Thanks gt


    The article was written on 1/31/08 by Tim Spielman from MN Outdoor News.

    robstenger
    Northern Twin Cities, MN
    Posts: 11374
    #662812

    I don’t disagree with you Brad, and I understand what they are wanting with a long term slot. I’m just stating that it is not feasible and favorable under the current conditions and sets of rules. With a safe harvest limit, there is no way IMO the DNR could set a 10 year slot without 1) having a slot that would make the Non Native fisherman and resort owners happy, or 2) not having to change it like they do every year or 2 now.

    Plain and simple ( as Brad knows), the lake cycles with fish population, pressure and the bite. In order to keep below the allowable harvest every year, year in year out for 10 years the DNR will error on the safe side if they can not adjust the slot. This will mean a smaller (stricter) slot. OR they (The DNR) will never make it 10 years with out adjusting the slot with a more liberal slot that we the fisherman and resort owners can live with. So if they end up setting a more liberal slot for 10 years that the public and resort owners can live with and then the DNR comes and messes with it in a couple years for the sake of the fishery when the lake cycles back and we begin to exceed our safe harvestable limit. What did we gain??? Absolutely Nothing…We are still managing it year by year and we still have pissed off people and “intimidated” people by the DNR changing the slot.

    I need to vent on this one.

    Intimidated people??? WTH (Heck)??

    C’mon….. the lake may intimidate people, but the slot?????? If you are intimidated by a few rules, You are definitely a sportsman in the wrong state perhaps country.

    I think frustrated might be more the correct term.

    Quote:


    The total allowable walleye harvest this year for Mille Lacs is 430,000 pounds, down from 549,000 pounds last year – a dip of about 28 percent. A poor showing in the fall gill-net assessment played a large role in the reduction. The near-shore net catches, “were as low as they’ve ever been” in the 25-year history of the survey.


    Remember our allowable harvest was decreased by 28%, but the other half of the equation was the Native allowable harvest was raised by quite a bit ( I don’t remeber exact numbers but I believe it was about 25%). Also remembering the facts from the Outdoor news saying the Natives never come close to achieving their limit, but when the overall fish population is supposedly low, we get our limits lowered and they get theirs raised?????? The Natives increased their limits to 125,000lbs (even thought they have never taken over 90,000lbs) diretly effects and decreases our limit right off the bat no matter what the total allowable harvest is. I think Frustrated is definitely a better word then intimidated. These are two different issues that often get thrown togther because one directly affects the other, but not vice versa.

    Also remember I’m all for a long term slot. I just don’t think it is feasible under the conidtions and rules we have to work with.

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