Resort owner’s comments in the Messenger

  • JaredRathbun
    Becker, MN
    Posts: 104
    #592524

    unbelievable, who does he think puts, and keeps him in business??? I fish mille lacs and buy my bait near the lake, i have had to fill up my boat numerous times while on the lake and boated into the nearest gas pump to fill up. I will not and never will in the future give this guy any of my money. He does not spend any more money on stocking those fish than any one of us who does not live on the lake!!! I could go on. but i am a little steamed and am getting on my cell phone to make sure my fishing partners have nothing to do with his business.

    jldii
    Posts: 2294
    #592589

    DO NOT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ!!!

    I was at the meeting and Terry DID NOT say that!

    The Messenger misreported the story. All those things were said, but not in the context the Messenger story reports.

    The prostitute comment was spoken by another person and was directed at the DNR fisheries people. It WAS NOT directed at any people coming to fish this lake. We all agreed that the lake has seen more fishing preasure than at any time in the past, and that many of those people are “day trippers’ from the cities who don’t spend any money here but take home as many fish as they can, which is one reason we have the new regs!

    What was suggested was that we need to somehow gain some control of how much fishing pressure is being put on the lake so as to prevent the lake from having to be shut down. Suggested ideas included charging a fee at all public launches as they do in most other states each time you use it, or by buying a seasonal pass. Putting gates on all public landings and having them open in the morning and closed at a certain time each evening which would help restrict some fishing pressure, and also, possibly banning night fishing during the open water season.

    We will be meeting again in October to dicuss ideas for next season’s regulations, which will be a bit more restricted early in the season, and loosend up later in the season if the harvest is within the threshold numbers we need to maintain.

    The fishing is still the best you can find here, and you can find eaters too.

    t-ellis
    Colorado Springs, CO
    Posts: 1316
    #592607

    Terry’s still a jerk. We’ve nicknamed him the “Launch Nazi” after the Seinfeld Soup Nazi episode. The only business i’ve ever spent my money where he made it seems as though we were inconviencing him to PAY for launching the boat, not anymore. What a dump of a business, about as clean and organized as a junkyard and customer service to match. I’ll spend my $$ where its appreciated. Usually going out the other guys in the boat would pay the launch fee and always told me how rude he was and it wasn’t until i paid the fee one time i met the same bad attitude i’d heard about, haven’t been back since.

    drewsdad
    Crosby, MN
    Posts: 3138
    #592679

    Quote:


    DO NOT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ!!!

    I was at the meeting and Terry DID NOT say that!

    The Messenger misreported the story. All those things were said, but not in the context the Messenger story reports.


    If that is the case, IMO people who write up in that area need to take some journalism classes (and yes I am referring to another incident from a different newspaper too.)

    And nobody had any difficulty believing that the comments attributed to Terry were his. That speaks volumes as well.

    dd

    robstenger
    Northern Twin Cities, MN
    Posts: 11374
    #592956

    Thanks for the Update Jack!

    ggoody
    Mpls MN
    Posts: 2603
    #593059

    Quote:


    I was at the meeting and Terry DID NOT say that!


    He sure did!

    Here is Terry’s responce or sorta of an apology/excuse posted on another site………..

    Copy and paste.

    From Terry’s Boat Harbor, Terry Thurmer:

    After reading the article in the Mille Lacs Messenger, I now know why a lot of professional athletes, politicians, and people refuse to talk to the media.

    I will first address the newspaper article and I will then tell you about the input meetings and issues that the input members have suggested to the DNR over the years.

    I said we need to keep the fishing prostitutes away from the public access.

    What I meant by this is that anytime there is a super hot bite on this lake you can go to these accesses and see the same trucks and boats fishing every single day for weeks at a time. These same people also do this on other lakes and once in a while they get caught and then you read about all of the fish they got caught with in the newspaper. As far as people spending money up here the people that use the public accesses, some do, some do not. This does not make them prostitutes. Those of you that do spend money in and around the lake I can assure all of the businesses up here are thankful for your support.

    As far as closing all public accesses on the lake I never said this. The DNR at a previous input meeting had asked for ideas on how to control the amount of fish taken out of the lake. I told them that one way they do it in some of the western states is to limit the number of hours that the public access are open. This would then eliminate some of the fishing pressure, which would help reduce the number of pounds of fish being taken. Yet, it would still provide public access fishing on a daily basis.

    If this had been done this year they would have not had to reduce the slot limit. I think the majority of fishermen out there would have preferred to fish fewer hours and be able to fish all summer with the same slot.

    Charging a fee to users of the public accesses, this was not even my idea. One of the people who works at one of the newspapers who published the article called me a day before our input meeting and brought this up to me. His idea was to charge for admission to public accesses and that money should go to the state to pay for restocking of the lake.

    Input meeting and suggestions made to the DNR:

    The entire Mille Lacs Controversy, and ever changing slots began when the Treaty Bands began exercising their Treaty Rights. The DNR no longer was going to manage the lake from a Biological standpoint, but rather by pounds of fish and the lake is still managed this way today.

    The idea I brought forth to the DNR at the input meeting to end the controversy was to build a fish hatchery on Mille Lacs and raise Walleyes to the 14 to 16 inch range.

    When the treaty harvest was over whatever pounds of fish they took out could be put back into the lake. If they had more fish in the hatchery than what Mille Lacs needed, the extra fish could be put into other lakes around the state.

    The hatchery could also raise Perch, Northern Pike, or fish for forage to keep the lake population stable. Over the years, I’ve asked thousands of fisherman if they would be willing to pay extra money for a fishing license, if that money, would go towards a Mille Lacs hatchery. The answer from all of them was, Yes. The answer from the DNR was no. I then asked fellow resorter, former politician, and at that time a consultant for the Mille Lacs Band, Ron Maddox, for help on the hatchery idea.

    I told Ron that Montana had a new state of the art hatchery on the Fort Peck Reservoir and that the Federal Government had paid the entire cost for building of the hatchery. All the State had to do was pay the costs of running it. Ron checked this out and found out that this was true.

    Ron then went to the Mille Lacs Band and presented the hatchery idea to then Chief, Marge Anderson and Don Weidel the Mille Lacs Bands DNR Commissioner. To the Band’s Credit, they thought this was a good idea and were willing to discuss building the hatchery.

    I visited with Ron this summer and asked him why nothing has been done on the hatchery. He told me even though the Mille Lacs Band was open to discuss the idea, that St. Paul wanted nothing to do with it. I brought this same hatchery issue up at the last input meeting, but this never appeared in the newspaper article.

    Another idea we brought up to the DNR in the past and again at the last meeting the possibility of purchasing the fish from the Wisconsin Bands. The Wisconsin Bands talk a lot about commercial fishing. Commercial fishing means dollars.

    I suggested that they meet with the Wisconsin Bands and offer them the dollars for the fish they were allotted. This way those Bands would not have to come over here to net, which would give the state more fish for the anglers to harvest each year. The DNR promised they would do this and as of the last meeting to my knowledge, they have never even talked to the Wisconsin Bands about this subject.

    The state of Minnesota pays Two Million Dollars a year to the Leech Lake Band for no netting and yet, they will not spend ten cents on Mille Lacs to improve the lake. Again you never read this in the newspaper.

    The DNR makes a five year plan with Tribal Bands, this is the last year of the current plan. The input committee feels that if you have a five year plan that any pounds that you are under the allotment in a year, should be carried forward to future years where more pounds could be used to offset overages in years such as this year.

    The DNR plan does not work this way. This year they reduced the slot to the point that one can hardly even keep a fish. Yet, when this five year plan is over in November, we will be hundreds of thousands of pounds under the total allotted pounds for the last five years.

    The input meetings for us involved are very frustrating. The DNR does not care what we say. They have their minds made up to as what the slots and pounds are going to be before we ever get to a meeting. Because of the DNR’s reluctance to use any of the advice suggested to them by the committee, only a fraction of the people who belong to the input committee even showed up for the last two meetings.

    The members of the input group and the Business Community want stability for the lake. We are tired of ever changing slots and controversy, a hatchery would accomplish this goal for stability. We need the help of all the hunters, fishermen, and sporting groups to stand up and tell our Legislators this is enough. We want a new direction for Mille Lacs to end the controversy and if they do not want to help us then they should not be re-elected.

    Anyone who would like to talk to me about this or any other matter pertaing to lake Mille Lacs please feel free to give me a call.

    320-692-4430

    ggoody
    Mpls MN
    Posts: 2603
    #593062

    And…….

    From Mr. Paul Bailey…Paul Bailey Aitkin County
    3rd District County Commissioner

    From Mr. Paul Bailey…

    What’s in a Word?

    Recently at a DNR meeting, I deeply regret putting my mouth in gear before my brain and for the ones I offended, I am deeply sorry. The word prostitute was used in the conversation before me, but I realize a public official should be more careful in the use of language. Having said that, I still believe the public accesses on Mille Lacs are a big problem to manage the lake for walleyes. There are at least ten public accesses now and the DNR just bought out two resorts to make more public accesses. These
    accesses are in direct competition to the resorts that are trying to make a living with boat launching and everything that goes with a fishing trip. They also pay Insurance, Real Estate Taxes and pay employees, who in turn have employment in our area. However, I do not think the resorts are
    “lily white” either. Tournaments on Mille Lacs kill a lot of fish, maybe they need to go as well, so now the resorts can get angry with me too! Some of the old timers say the introduction of the muskie to Mille Lacs was a big strike in demise of walleye fishing. Now the guides can be angry, but I believe a large muskie or northern is like a hog, they will eat anything that moves in front of them including the walleye.

    Getting back to managing Mille Lacs – the DNR has no easy task doing that, but suggestions from resorts, guides and responsible citizens should have more weight with their decisions. Number one, why do they allow any night fishing on Mille Lacs during the open water season? If you can’t catch enough
    fish from daylight to dark, maybe you’ll live without fish. Lower the limit so fisherman gets to keep two or three fish and limit the tournaments or eliminate them. The cold hard facts are all of the solutions to point to,“whose ox get gored”. Starting with the DNR, who like to sell fishing licenses and boating registrations, stop buying land for public access. The Ojibway Tribe who have other business that are
    affected by the lake and need to be included in decisions. The resorts who like to have the fishing regulations as liberal as possible, and the local people and metro fishermen who just would like to go fishing.

    Now that I have everyone angry, I will sign off, but I hope this triggers some constructive criticism to the paper about solutions for Mille Lacs.

    Paul Bailey
    Aitkin County
    3rd District County Commissioner

    derek_johnston
    On the water- Minnesota
    Posts: 5022
    #593191

    I would have to agree with those comments made by Terry and Paul. The DNR seems to be on a political mission to make Mille lacs the best walleye fishery in the country and they want to take all the credit for it. Buying up resorts to make public access is not the answer. I do like the hatchery idea as well as buying out the WI bands with tax dollars. But the problem is, the DNR wants nothing to do with it, they don’t want nothing screwing up their “plan” to make headlines. The DNR spends more time on Mille lacs than any other body of water in the state. They have made the lake THIER trophy. Its a bunch of BS. The input meetings are a waste of time. The DNR just sits back and pushes their buttons when they need to, never taking into account the business side of the fishery. The end of the “5 year plan” is going to be interesting.. I’m sick and tired of changing slots every other month and waiting to see whats going to happen each spring.

    EyeSlayer1
    MG
    Posts: 55
    #593253

    So, Baily apologizes to the walleye fisherman and then states that the Esox are hogs and alienates some other groups. His letter was an interesting attempt at damage control, to say the least. He should have hired or consulted with an attorney before writing his response, like Terry did.

    Castaway
    Otsego,MN
    Posts: 1573
    #593585

    IMO the lake will probably take care of itself like it always does.Back in 2001 everyone was up in arms that the lake was going to get fished out and that never happened.Just like this year the bait hatch showed up and these posts dry up.Yes this was a banner year and there was a lot of pressure but you probably wont see a year like this for a while.But after this year I wouldnt doubt that they make a few changes next year at least at the beginning of the year to see what happens.I like to catch fish more than I like to eat them so a couple fish under 20 inches with one over 28 would be fine with me.If you need more fish than that to feed the family well then you will have to bring them with to catch their own.I am up there a lot and even with the great fishing this year I think we only ate fish a few times and put the rest back.I also find it funny that people always point the finger at city people for taking too many fish.I used to live up north years ago and I can tell you that locals are as bad if not worse than anyone else.Like I stated before if it werent for people coming from the city there wouldnt be much left on the lake.It reminds me of Canada they really dont want you there but they love to take your money.Everyone up there benefiets from tourism dollars not only the businesses.It also keeps your taxes lower and creates jobs.Thats why they are putting in more boat ramps rather than closing them.If your resort parking lot is emty and the public accesses are over flowing you may want to look in the mirror and see what you are doing wrong.I doubt you will see ML getting stocked anytime soon as it has always been a natural producer and they will try other things before they ever resort to that.

    cogborn
    Prior Lake/Savage, MN
    Posts: 64
    #593685

    IMHO – If the Native Americans had their way with Mille Lacs, our fishing limit would be similar to Upper Red Lake (URL). All walleyes from 17” – 26” must be immediately released. Possessions limit 2 with only one over 26”. The GREAT THING about Mille Lacs, Native American does not own ¾ of the lake (only a rough guess).

    If we put a hold on new Public Launches, there goes our PUBLIC LAND. The 14” – 16” slot limit set by the DNR has major impacts to local businesses and surrounding Resort Owners. IMHO – This was a test to see if the public would tolerate the 14” – 16” limit. Most Resort Owners would rather sell their business to the Native Americans if they were given “GREAT Offers”.

    Even us cities folks seen it C’mon, on “PRIOR LAKE” area. Our local golf course, used to be “LONE PINE” sold to “MYSTIC LAKE CASINO”. I use to play that course at least 7 times per summer. I haven’t been to it since. It’s a two way streak. Even we City Folks understand ECNONMICS and POLITICS.

    SO PLEASE STOP BASING THE CITY FOLKS!!!! We are not going to insult your intelligence, so please don’t insult ours!!!

    robstenger
    Northern Twin Cities, MN
    Posts: 11374
    #593727

    Nicely put Robert!

    Hope to see you this Fall!

    ggoody
    Mpls MN
    Posts: 2603
    #593868

    Copy and Paste

    E-Mail sent to Vivian Clark
    Mille Lacs Messenger Staff Writer
    320-676-3123

    Dear Ms. Clark,

    I am emailing you because a controversy over a story that you wrote on July 18 entitled ³Resort community take DNR to task². The whole controversy is about the quote of Mr. Terry Thurmer. Mr. Thurmer is now claiming that he was misquoted and is being unfairly treated by the fishing community. I would like your input on whether or not he was misrepresented in what he said by taking things out of context. While I feel your reporting was quite clear and precise I would like to clear up any discrepancies at the source. As a fisherman that does travel to fish I like to know who is anti tourist fisherman and who is not so that I have the choice ahead of time of spending my hard earned money in their establishments. Thank you for your response.

    Sincerely,

    Her reply

    Dear Mr. Gravett,

    Thank you for your inquiry regarding a recent news article in the July 18 issue of the Mille Lacs Messenger. I stand behind my reporting, the use of the quote and the context in which it was used. Mr. Thurmer was not misquoted, nor taken out of context.
    With that said, I understand the frustration facing many resorters. The tension level in the room that day was palpable. Sometimes, at many public meetings, people say things in the heat of the moment they wish they hadn’t said. Should Mr. Thurmer have made that particular comment? That is not for me to say. But should I have reported it? Definately. It was said at a public meeting.

    We, the staff at the Messenger, are discussing the possibility of doing a follow up article where Mr. Thurmer will have an opportunity to voice his concerns. Of course, there will also be an opportunity to hear from the DNR and tourists visiting public accesses.

    Again, thank you for your inquiry. Please feel free to contact me any time should you have further questions or concerns,

    Regards,

    Vivian Clark


    Vivian Clark
    Mille Lacs Messenger Staff Writer
    320-676-3123

    ole1855
    Posts: 24
    #593894

    This is not the first time the slot has been 14-16″, so I don’t think this was any sort of “test”.

    Quote:


    IMHO – If the Native Americans had their way with Mille Lacs, our fishing limit would be similar to Upper Red Lake (URL). All walleyes from 17” – 26” must be immediately released. Possessions limit 2 with only one over 26”. The GREAT THING about Mille Lacs, Native American does not own ¾ of the lake (only a rough guess).

    If we put a hold on new Public Launches, there goes our PUBLIC LAND. The 14” – 16” slot limit set by the DNR has major impacts to local businesses and surrounding Resort Owners. IMHO – This was a test to see if the public would tolerate the 14” – 16” limit. Most Resort Owners would rather sell their business to the Native Americans if they were given “GREAT Offers”.

    Even us cities folks seen it C’mon, on “PRIOR LAKE” area. Our local golf course, used to be “LONE PINE” sold to “MYSTIC LAKE CASINO”. I use to play that course at least 7 times per summer. I haven’t been to it since. It’s a two way streak. Even we City Folks understand ECNONMICS and POLITICS.

    SO PLEASE STOP BASING THE CITY FOLKS!!!! We are not going to insult your intelligence, so please don’t insult ours!!!


    jldii
    Posts: 2294
    #594247

    Quote:


    This is not the first time the slot has been 14-16″, so I don’t think this was any sort of “test”.

    Quote:


    IMHO – If the Native Americans had their way with Mille Lacs, our fishing limit would be similar to Upper Red Lake (URL). All walleyes from 17” – 26” must be immediately released. Possessions limit 2 with only one over 26”. The GREAT THING about Mille Lacs, Native American does not own ¾ of the lake (only a rough guess).

    If we put a hold on new Public Launches, there goes our PUBLIC LAND. The 14” – 16” slot limit set by the DNR has major impacts to local businesses and surrounding Resort Owners. IMHO – This was a test to see if the public would tolerate the 14” – 16” limit. Most Resort Owners would rather sell their business to the Native Americans if they were given “GREAT Offers”.

    Even us cities folks seen it C’mon, on “PRIOR LAKE” area. Our local golf course, used to be “LONE PINE” sold to “MYSTIC LAKE CASINO”. I use to play that course at least 7 times per summer. I haven’t been to it since. It’s a two way streak. Even we City Folks understand ECNONMICS and POLITICS.

    SO PLEASE STOP BASING THE CITY FOLKS!!!! We are not going to insult your intelligence, so please don’t insult ours!!!



    The 14-16″ slot was choosen for one basic reason. People could still fish and have to chance to maybe keep a fish or two without overly endangering the chance of exceeding the harvest CAP . That cap is 122% of our allocation. If we exceed that number the lake is closed for all non indian anglers until the 1st of December! That means any and all fishing.

    The DNR and the Input Group are aware that the 14-16″ population segment is the smallest population segment in the lake so it was a safe choice to offer the public. Our job is to try to keep the Mille Lacs fishing economy alive while adhereing to the requirements levied on us by the Supreme Court decision on the 1837 Treaty case.

    Also, to share an observation with everyone here. Prior to the slot change, every public landing on this lake was full every day. Since the slot change, I have not seen one landing full, even on the weekends.

    Why aren’t the city anglers supporting the lake NOW?

    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13290
    #594308

    Jack. Are you saying its only the local fisherman using the lake now? The few times I make it up there those public landings look to have as many locals using them as non locals.

    foneman
    Elk River
    Posts: 6
    #594313

    Quote:


    Quote:


    This is not the first time the slot has been 14-16″, so I don’t think this was any sort of “test”.

    I really dont think this slot change has much to do with the landings not being full. At the time the slot was changed, mother nature did her part and slowed things up a bit. The die hards are catching fish but many are not. As we know, it is a bit tougher out there right now than it was in June.

    I am up there most every weekend and could really care less about the slot. I enjoy the lake, the people and a few cold ones. Oh and I also enjoy fishing whether I am catching anything or not.

    foneman

    Quote:


    IMHO – If the Native Americans had their way with Mille Lacs, our fishing limit would be similar to Upper Red Lake (URL). All walleyes from 17” – 26” must be immediately released. Possessions limit 2 with only one over 26”. The GREAT THING about Mille Lacs, Native American does not own ¾ of the lake (only a rough guess).

    If we put a hold on new Public Launches, there goes our PUBLIC LAND. The 14” – 16” slot limit set by the DNR has major impacts to local businesses and surrounding Resort Owners. IMHO – This was a test to see if the public would tolerate the 14” – 16” limit. Most Resort Owners would rather sell their business to the Native Americans if they were given “GREAT Offers”.

    Even us cities folks seen it C’mon, on “PRIOR LAKE” area. Our local golf course, used to be “LONE PINE” sold to “MYSTIC LAKE CASINO”. I use to play that course at least 7 times per summer. I haven’t been to it since. It’s a two way streak. Even we City Folks understand ECNONMICS and POLITICS.

    SO PLEASE STOP BASING THE CITY FOLKS!!!! We are not going to insult your intelligence, so please don’t insult ours!!!



    The 14-16″ slot was choosen for one basic reason. People could still fish and have to chance to maybe keep a fish or two without overly endangering the chance of exceeding the harvest CAP . That cap is 122% of our allocation. If we exceed that number the lake is closed for all non indian anglers until the 1st of December! That means any and all fishing.

    The DNR and the Input Group are aware that the 14-16″ population segment is the smallest population segment in the lake so it was a safe choice to offer the public. Our job is to try to keep the Mille Lacs fishing economy alive while adhereing to the requirements levied on us by the Supreme Court decision on the 1837 Treaty case.

    Also, to share an observation with everyone here. Prior to the slot change, every public landing on this lake was full every day. Since the slot change, I have not seen one landing full, even on the weekends.

    Why aren’t the city anglers supporting the lake NOW?


    koldfront kraig
    Coon Rapids mn
    Posts: 1814
    #594254

    Why aren’t the city anglers supporting the lake NOW?


    The fishing has slowed down. (Normal this time of year)

    Low water levels make it difficult to launch at most public landings.

    I find it difficult to believe that most resorts haven’t gotten more business this year because of the good bite and low water level.

    mdninn
    St. Louis Park
    Posts: 6
    #594584

    I like the “happy hooker” innuendo.

    Castaway
    Otsego,MN
    Posts: 1573
    #594628

    Ive been up here for a couple days and based on the hand full of boats I have seen on the water it appears that most of the locals have quit fishing to.Yup fishing has slowed way down but I did manage to catch a few.Sure was nice to have most of the lake to myself.Thanks for not coming

    Besox
    Posts: 584
    #594731

    The facts are Terry’s is a terrible business that is run by an a-hole. If people just stop giving their money to people like this who just keep giving terrible service back to their customers then they might get the point. I never return to site where I’ve had bad service. There are many other great guys wih business’s around ML who deserve your business!

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