I hope it gets better, but me and friend went up yesterday and got very little. We started in Vineland bay for northerns and got one 5#er and 2 small perch. Then went to a piece of structure near Big Point for the evening bite. We had done very well there this summer and guessed that it should be a good early ice spot before the crowds show up. It wasn’t, we didn’t get one bite. Ice was about 11″ in Vinland bay closer to shore and about 8″ further out. Ice was 11″ north of Big Point about 300 yards from shore, but we did not go near big point so I don’t know what that’s like. Guys on ATV’s and getting fish houses out at Liberty, even some quite a ways out. We walked on though. Better show up with your game face and a whole bag of tricks. Good luck. Bret