Possible Changes to MIlle Lacs?

I believe Tuck is right……………I’ve already vented but to add one thing………….that 1837 treaty was drawn up under a government that still practiced a seperation of “the peoples”. This rule for these people and that rule for those people…………..and of course, these rules are for the ones who are making the rules! Outdated government, outdated treaty.

Ok. In through the nose, and out through the mouth….
All of this attention, and talk about what is going on in and around Lake Mille Lacs got me to thinking I really need to research the Treaties of 1837, and 1855. Article 9 of the 1855 Treaty states, and I quote:”The said bands of Indians, jointly and severally, obligate and bind themselves not to commit any depredations or wrong upon other Indians, OR UPON CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES; to conduct themselves at all times in a peaceful and orderly manner; to submit all difficulties between them and other Indians to the President, and abide by his decision in regards to the same, and to RESPECT AND OBSERVE THE LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES, so far as the same to them applicable. And they also stipulate that they will settle down in the peaceful pursuits of life, commence to the cultivation of soil, and appropriate their means to the errection of houses, opening farms, the education of their children, and such other objects of improvement and convenience, AS ARE INCIDENT TO A WELL REGULATED SOCIETY; and that they will abstain from the use of intoxicating drinks and other vices to which they have been addicted.”
In through the nose, out through the mouth…..
Observation #1.
We Americans have LAWS and REGULATIONS specific to taking of game and fish across this nation. I found no granting of rights, or quotas on the amount of fish and game that is guaranteeing the Indians ANYTHING! There are roughly 2600 tribesman and women practicing the netting and spearing in lakes within their domain in the ceded territory. On the other hand, there are 1.2 million sportsmen and women in Minnesota alone who are held to a much tighter standard. There are 1.2 million incidences where Americans “Rights” are being violated. It is apparent to me that the Indians are not respecting the laws of the United States in this respect. Why can’t the quota be pro-rated based on the number of people actually excercising their rights? 1.2 million vs. 2600. Do the math.
Observation # 2.
To me, the “Peaceful pursuits of life” does not mean taking walleye and other game fish in large quantities for commercial purposes, where normal Americans cannot. If they want to net. Go ahead. They can have 6 fish per day, and they can only be from 14 to 16 inches, and one over 28 inches. The rest must be returned back to the water unharmed! How long do you think they will continue to net based on the limits we are held to? Again, it is the “Law of the United State’s” that apply to them as well as us.
Observation #3
The last part of Article 9 makes reference to making adjustments to living in a “Well Regulated Society” Well folks, a well regulated society means “Regulations”, Rules, Laws, etc. If they want to net fish…fine. But, there are REGULATIONS, 6 fish per day, 14-16″, and 1 over 28″. They want to shoot deer…fine, one per person, and no taking of does without a permit. Shooting at night is illegal. We have REGULATIONS prohibiting it.
I think I have made my point. If you all get a chance, look up the Treaties of 1837 and 1855. You can come up with your own interpretations…
Tuck

After thinking about this more this weekend and reading the article again I’ve come to a couple conclusions.

1. I don’t blame the Native Americans for being upset at the fisherman, we are over the quota according to the DNR. I can imagine how mad we would be if they netted more than their alottment. What makes me burn is the fact they want paid for those fish!!! I have to bite my lip because I don’t think anyone owns those fish but Uncle Sam, and I don’t really think he owns them, just regulates them. So I’m not happy with the sovereign nations in our country trying to take more money from my pocket. I feel I support them enough the way it is.

2. My frustration with the MN DNR is at the highest level. I can’t believe they can publish a hooking mortality of 237k lbs, with no hard data. I feel this is a guestimate at best. Now the tribe is all up in arms over the quota being surpassed, way to go DNR. I haven’t fished the pond as much as many of you have, but I didn’t see more than 5 walleyes floating all season.

We all know that closing the big pond to fishing would tickle the tribe silly. I pray the DNR doesn’t succumb to this plan. I think making the lake all catch and release could have a negative affect on businesses, but I would rather still be able to fish the lake and support the locals some. So in my opinion, the DNR brought this onto themselves. I believe the natives have every right to complain, but not asked to be compensated. I think it’s second nature for the tribes to blame the white man and then expect to be paid by him. Unfortunately the lake is managed improperly and will probably continue that way until we get a governor with some brassies.

Okay, so we all have said stay out of the casino. Can we also start a list of the other tribal owned businesses in the area? Obviously now Eddy’s (what a shame). I never thought either of premier resorts on the lake (Eddy’s and McQuoid’s) would go to the Band. Isn’t the Conoco between Onamia and Eddy’s also Band owned? The name of the place is MLB Conoco! Now what do ya spose that stands for? Hmm let’s see . . . could it be . . . MILLE LACS BAND ? I’ve stopped there occasionally two years ago, but now if I’m staying at Kathio I make the drive to the Onamia Holiday for gas etc. Please don’t tell me the tribe owns that Holiday too. Oh well the trip to Prince’s would be worth it I suppose.

I’m sure it doesn’t stand for Major League Baseball!!

I don’t usually read the Mille Lacs forum, but someone brought attention to this one. I’ve never opressed a native american, and I dare both the ACLU and the Minnesota DNR to find evidence that I have. I also dare them to find a native american who is being forcibly detained on a reservation and prevented from assimilating into the culture of the United States.

Y’all sound like a bunch of Bad American’s to me… Welcome to the club:

I’m a Bad American-this pretty much sums it up for me. I like big trucks, big boats, big houses, and naturally, pretty women.
I believe the money I make belongs to me and my family, not some midlevel governmental functionary with a bad comb-over who wants to give it away to crack addicts squirting out babies.
I don’t care about appearing compassionate.

I think playing with toy guns doesn’t make you a killer.
I believe ignoring your kids and giving them Prozac might.

I think I’m doing better than the homeless.
I don’t think being a minority makes you noble or victimized.
I have the right not to be tolerant of others because they are different, weird or make me mad.
This is my life to live, and not necessarily up to others expectations.

I know what SEX is and there are not varying degrees of it.

I don’t celebrate Kwanzaa. But if you want to that’s fine; I just don’t feel like everyone else should have to.

I believe that if you are selling me a Dairy Queen shake, a pack of cigarettes, or hotel room you do it in English.
As of matter of fact, if you are an American citizen you should speak English. My uncles and forefathers shouldn’t have had to die in vain so you can leave the countries you were born in to come disrespect ours, and make us bend to your will. Get over it.

I think the cops have every right to shoot your sorry butt if you’re running from them after they tell you to stop.
If you can’t understand the word ‘freeze’ or ‘stop’ in English, see the previous line.

I don’t use the excuse “it’s for the children” as a shield for unpopular opinions or actions.

I know how to count votes and I feel much safer letting a machine with no political affiliation do a recount when needed. I know what the definition of lying is, and it isn’t based on the word “is”-ever.

I don’t think just because you were not born in this country, you qualify for any special loan programs, gov’t sponsored bank loans, etc., so you can open a hotel, 7-Eleven, trinket shop, or any thing else, while the indigenous peoples can’t get past a high school education because they can’t afford it.

I didn’t take the initiative in inventing the Internet.

I thought the Taco Bell dog was funny.

I want them to bring back safe and sane fireworks.

I believe no one ever died because of something Ozzy Osbourne, Ice-T or Marilyn Manson sang, but that doesn’t mean I want to listen to that crap from someone else’s car when I’m stopped at a red light. But I respect your right to. I think that being a student doesn’t give you any more enlightenment than working at Blockbuster or Jack In The Box.

I don’t want to eat or drink anything with the words light, lite or fat-free on the package.

Our soldiers did not go to some foreign country and risk their lives in vain and defend our Constitution so that decades later you can tell me it’s a living document ever changing and is open to interpretation. The guys who wrote it were light years ahead of anyone today, and they meant what they said – now leave the document alone, or there’s going to be trouble.

I don’t hate the rich.

I help the poor.

I know wrestling is fake.

I’ve never owned, or was a slave, and a large percentage of our forefathers weren’t wealthy enough to own one either.

Please stop blaming me because some prior white people were idiots – and remember, tons of white, Indian, Chinese, and other races have been enslaved too – it was wrong for every one of them.

I believe a self-righteous liberal Democrat with a cause is more dangerous than a Hell’s Angel with an attitude.

I want to know exactly which church is it where the “Reverend” Jessie Jackson preaches; and, what exactly is his job function.

I own a gun, you can own a gun, and any red blooded American should be allowed to own a gun, but if you use it in a crime, then you will serve the time.

I think Bill Gates has every right to keep every penny he made and continue to make more. If it makes you mad, then invent the next operating system that’s better and put your name on the building. Ask your buddy that invented the Internet to help you.

I don’t believe in hate crime legislation. Even suggesting it makes me mad. You’re telling me that someone who is a minority, gay, disabled, another nationality, or otherwise different from the mainstream of this country has more value as a human being that I do as a white male. If someone kills anyone, I’d say that it’s a hate crime. We don’t need more laws! Let’s enforce the ones we already have.

I think turkey bacon, turkey beef, turkey fake anything sucks.

I believe that it doesn’t take a village to raise a child-it takes a parent with the guts to stand up to the kid and spank his butt and say “NO!” when it’s necessary to do so.

I’ll admit that the only movie that ever made me cry was Ole Yeller.

I didn’t realize Dr. Seuss was a genius until I had a kid.

I will not be frowned upon or be looked down upon or be made to keep silent because I have these beliefs and opinions. I thought this country allowed me that right. I will not conform or compromise just to keep from hurting somebody’s feelings. I’m neither angry nor disenfranchised, no matter how desperately the mainstream media would like the world to believe otherwise. Yes, I guess by some people’sdefinition, I may be a bad American.

But that’s tough.

I wish that would all fit on my bumper sticker!!!

I was right there with you point for point until you mentioned no-fat, non-fat, low-fat. I love diet mt dew and prefer low-fat raspberry yogurt over the real stuff. But other than that…. I’m nodding in complete agreement…LOL

Yep it would take a mighty big bumper sticker.

I have to agree with you there. I’m a diet coke addict myself. It’s the wierdest thing ever, and I’ve heard at least 10 people say it, but once you switch to diet coke, you never go back… the regular stuff tastes like pancake syrup.

This was originally attributed to Ted Nugent, but he has never taken credit for writing it. It sounds very Ted-like, and apparently was printed in his magazine, but not credited to him. I don’t suppose it matters who actually wrote it.

Hello, my name is my name and I’d like to know where I might find more information on enrolling in Gianni’s B.A. Camp??? No question, no conflict, and are you running for office?