mille lacs walleye troubles

  • jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
    #1394707

    Now that Mille Lacs is netted out, next stop your favorite walleye lake…..

    From today’s Strib:

    http://www.startribune.com/local/248998921.html

    Fond du Lac Band of Chippewa plans to spear walleyes in northeastern Minnesota treaty area

    Article by: STEVE KARNOWSKI , Associated Press
    Updated: March 7, 2014 – 10:02 AM

    MINNEAPOLIS — The Fond du Lac Band of Chippewa says it plans to exercise its treaty rights for the first time to spear walleyes on northeastern Minnesota lakes this spring.

    Secretary-Treasurer Ferdinand Martineau Jr. says the tribe is working with the state to determine which lakes and set harvest quotas. He says they’ll be smaller lakes in the 1854 treaty area, which covers most of northeastern Minnesota.

    Martineau says 70 to 80 of his members have expressed interest in spearing walleyes this spring. He says one reason is the sharply lower quota on Lake Mille Lacs, where Fond du Lac members have fished in past years under an 1837 treaty. He says another reason is the 1854 treaty area is closer to home for the tribe, which is based in Cloquet (klo-KAY’).

    John Peterson
    Woodbury, Minnesota
    Posts: 349
    #1394917

    I found this piece by Dick Sternberg a former MN DNR Biologist to be very enlightening. This is a copy and paste from another message board.

    How to Fix Mille Lacs by Dick Sternberg

    Background. It’s been more than a decade since I worked on behalf of the Mille Lacs landowners group to expose threats to the walleye fishery that had begun to develop as a result of the new court-ordered “treaty-management” program. With fish-management decisions being made on the basis of treaty dictates rather than biological facts, most of the serious fisheries problems we are experiencing today were easy to predict. Now, after 15 years of treaty management, the walleye population is at an historic low and the DNR seems to be at a loss as to how to solve the problem.

    Upon hearing of the walleye nose-dive in 2012 (4.8 walleyes/inshore gill-net lift down from 9.7 in 2011), many felt that the netting results were an anomaly – the population couldn’t possibly have plunged by more than 50 percent in a year. So there has been great interest in the 2013 netting results. At first glance, the net counts looked like a big improvement over 2012 – from 4.8 walleyes per net up to 8.7/net in the inshore, and from 9.9/net to 19.2/net in the offshore. But a closer look at the data revealed that 55% of the walleyes netted (365 out of 660) were large young of the year. Normally, only a few yoy walleyes (less than one/lift) are taken in the gill nets; most are too small to get caught in the mesh.

    To get a more accurate picture of how the walleye population is really doing, I looked at the gill-net counts from both 2012 and 2013 not including young of the year. That leaves the 2012 count at 3.8 in the inshore and 9.2 in the offshore nets. The 2013 count stayed the same (3.8) for inshore, but the offshore count dropped to 8.7. In short, the 2013 netting is no cause for optimism.

    Hopefully, the larger yoy will survive better than many other recent year classes and contribute to a future recovery. But as the DNR warns in their recent letter to the Mille Lacs Input Group, “We have seen very good walleye reproduction the past few years only to have these young fish experience high natural mortality at young ages, likely due to predation.”

    How DNR Sees the Problem. You can find the DNR’s assessment of the dismal walleye situation on their web site (http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/millelacslake/index.html) under Backgound FAQ. They admit that “a serious problem has developed; not enough small walleyes are becoming big walleyes.”

    In attempting to summarize the causes of the problem, the DNR says: “The problem is complex. Many things are or have been going on at once. They include targeted harvest on smaller and younger walleye, more northern pike and smallmouth bass feeding on walleye or what walleye eat, more walleyes eating walleye, more unwanted aquatic invasive species, a smaller forage base, and less system predictability due to unknown interactions between fish community and new aquatic invasive species.”
    One thing the DNR did not address in their laundry list is the difficulty for non-band members to catch “keeper” walleyes. Because of the extremely narrow harvest slot in 2013 (only 18- to 20-inch walleyes could be kept), anglers had to return 89 percent of the walleyes they caught. They were also assessed a “hooking-mortality” penalty on the walleyes they released, so when the bite was hot and large numbers of fish were being thrown back, hooking mortality far exceeded the catch of keepers. In July 2013, for example, anglers harvested 13,579 pounds of walleye and were assessed hooking mortality of 38,490 pounds which counts against the non-tribal harvest quota for the year.

    Another laundry-list omission: the alarmingly low percentage of males in the walleye population. In the 2013 sampling, only 39 percent of the walleyes were males. DNR biologists suspect that the gender imbalance is the result of the tribal harvest, which runs 80 to 90 percent male, in addition to the non-tribal harvest which is heavy to males because slot limits force anglers to target the smaller fish. The long-term effects of the gender imbalance are unknown.

    What’s the Solution? What is most concerning to me is that many of the most serious problems on the DNR’s list have persisted for more than a decade. In my 2003 paper, It’s Time for a Change, I wrote at length about the population imbalance that was resulting from an ever-tightening slot limit that allowed harvest of only smaller walleyes. “As long as the Mille Lacs walleye population remains heavily skewed toward the larger size classes, the threat of heavy cannibalism of young-of-the-year walleyes will persist,” I wrote.

    But the DNR didn’t need my input on the issues of cannibalism and heavy predation by other fish species; they knew exactly what was going on. “The pattern of year classes starting out strong but diminishing significantly over time has been occurring since 2000,” DNR said in the 2008 Technical Committee report. “Lower survival of young fish may be a recruitment response to the increased numbers of large fish since treaty management began in 1997,” they concluded.

    So if the DNR understood this problem and most of the others on the above laundry list, why haven’t they taken stronger action to solve them? Cannibalism, for example, could be reduced by adjusting the slot to allow more harvest of large walleyes. That, in turn, would increase levels of perch and other forage fish, thereby benefitting smaller walleyes. But as the DNR reminds us every time this solution is proposed, harvest of more large walleyes would put us above the safe harvest level as dictated by the TREATY-MANAGEMENT system.

    So how can we fix Mille Lacs? We must discontinue treaty management and establish a biologically-sound system that allows managers to manage with all of the tools at their disposal, not with one hand tied behind their back. That will require the State to go back to court and show that treaty management is un-biological, unfair to anglers and unlikely to restore the premier walleye fishery for which the lake has long been known.

    lancew
    Posts: 65
    #1394962

    Excellent post JDP. I would like to hear his thoughts on the malnourishment of existing adult walleyes in more detail. Does he have a blog?

    John Peterson
    Woodbury, Minnesota
    Posts: 349
    #1395036

    Quote:


    Excellent post JDP. I would like to hear his thoughts on the malnourishment of existing adult walleyes in more detail. Does he have a blog?


    Not to my knowledge…other IDoers may know more…

    David H
    Member
    Posts: 12
    #1395179

    After reading the Sternberg article, my first reaction is that it sure seems like the method in which “safe harvest level” is defined and measured is a big part of the problem. Maybe total tons isn’t the only or best measure. Maybe it should be more based on number of fish. It seems to me that “Treaty Management” and biologically logical “safe harvest levels” would not necessarily be mutually exclusive if the measurement of “safe harvest level” was defined differently.

    Maybe the negotiators could get creative and the tribal quota could be defined in terms of tons and the angler quota could be defined in terms of number of fish. Whatever the biologists say is the right mix based on biological science, common sense, and ease of measurement and enforcement.

    I assume more sophisticated methods of defining and measuring “safe harvest level” have been proposed many times. I wonder why we’re stuck with the current definitions.

    David Anderson
    Dayton, MN
    Posts: 496
    #1395314

    Well I subscribe to the theory that yes, the netting from a generic standpoint only adds to the total harvest. The problem is that this netting is done at the spawn which prevents 25% of the allowable harvest from spawning. Now in June this might not be a problem however in April, and assuming the last few years (except last year, I’ll get to that later) was around 75,000# and at maybe 2#/fish and 40% females (again an assumption) is about 16,000 (give or take) laying eggs. So maybe these eggs hatching are the cream, meaning they represent the “expendable” part of the biomass, the fry that normally get eaten in the grand scheme of things. Take that away and I guess then that biomass comes from the remaining spawn, is it any wonder the we haven’t had a strong year class since 2008. OK, so it well documented that the 2013 year class has potential, the yoy perch are insane on the lake and those fish caught this late fall and winter look like pigs, let’s see what event happened this year to precipitate such a turn around…..Oh that’s right….ice on the lake through opening weekend, no nets. Coincidence, you tell me. Yes, net your fish after the spawn allowing the greatest amount of biomass to enter the system, amazingly someone might be right, it doesn’t matter. Taking out that surplus, maybe it does on all fronts.

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
    #1395350

    Good post, Dave. Could not agree more. I guess all we do now is hope for another late ice out.

    -J.

    tedomcmillan
    Posts: 6
    #1395458

    I would like an answer as to why we keep fish less than 17″. That makes no sense to me whatsoever. As far as I know a 15″ – 17″ walleye isn’t mature enough to reproduce effectively. That’s pretty close to the equivalent of netting fish during the spawn or maybe even worse. It depends on how many make it past 17″. The slot should’ve always been two 18-20″ or even 19″-21″. That’s as much meat as four 14-17″ fish. Anglers would be taking two less fish, getting as much meat and allowing four fish to reach sexual maturity.

    David H
    Member
    Posts: 12
    #1395667

    I’m not sure I understand your post. From reading these threads, it seems that most people that question the current slot think that it would be better for the walleye population if we took out more large fish (greater than 20 inches). I don’t hear too many people arguing for reducing the minimum size.

    Proposals to allow keeping larger fish fall flat mostly because our safe harvest limit (measured in pounds) would be reached so quickly. That’s why I was wondering outloud earlier in this thread why we’re stuck with having “safe harvest” measured in pounds when something like “numbers of fish” might make more sense.

    Chris Meisch
    Ramsey, MN 55303
    Posts: 720
    #1395682

    Any word on when they might actually announce the slot……

    I thought we would know by now.

    tedomcmillan
    Posts: 6
    #1398475

    simply put. what i’m saying is why do they want us to keep fish that haven’t reached sexual maturity. They never get a chance to reproduce. I’m so sick of hearing a 15 inch fish is a good eater. In my opinion a 20″ fish tastes just as good, has more meat(you don’t have to eat as many) and a 20″ fish got a chance to reproduce.

    I’d rather keep two 20″ fish than 4 15″ fish. I would just like to know where I’m going wrong here?

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