new regs for 2013

  • puddlepounder
    Cove Bay Mille Lacs lake MN
    Posts: 1814
    #1289674

    Mille Lacs walleye anglers will be limited to two fish beginning May 11, the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources said Tuesday morning.

    The harvest slot wil be 18 to 20 inches. One walleye in the two-fish limit can be larger than 28 inches.

    Last year the limit was four walleyes, with only walleyes under 17 inches allowed to be kept. Fish that size were difficult to find.

    Changes also are coming this summer to smallmouth bass and northern pike limits on the big lake.

    The lake’s 27- to 40-inch protected slot regulation for northerns will be narrowed to a 33- to 40-inch protected slot, with one longer than 40 inches. The possession limit is three.

    The smallmouth bass bag limit and slot limit will be broadened to allow for more harvest. The new regulation is a 17- to 20-inch protected slot. The possession limit is six, with only one longer than 20 inches in possession. Previously, all smallmouth bass less than 21 inches had to be immediately released and the possession limit was one.

    “We want Mille Lacs to continue to be a world-class walleye fishing destination,” said Dirk Peterson, DNR fisheries chief. “Currently, the size and structure of the walleye population isn’t where we want it. We are committed to remedying the situation as quickly as possible through regulations that are designed to increase survival of the lake’s younger and smaller walleye.”

    “The smallmouth bass and northern pike regulations are designed to protect smaller walleye until we have better information on what these predator species are eating,” said Peterson. “We’ll be starting a predator diet study this spring. Meanwhile, the regulations will allow anglers some additional non-walleye harvest opportunities while also retaining solid numbers of trophy-sized fish.”

    The DNR said it wants to conserve the lake’s large 2008 year-class of walleye because no strong year-class is coming up behind these fish. Fish in this year-class are 15- to 17-inches in length.

    The new rules, the DNR said, intend to keep the total walleye kill below the combined state-tribal 2013 safe harvest level of 250,000 pounds. Fishing regulations may be adjusted if angler kill is expected to be either too high or lower than the anticipated. This year’s safe harvest level is the lowest established since treaty management began in 1997.

    Tom Jones, Mille Lacs Lake coordinator, said a 2-inch walleye harvest slot is not unprecedented on Mille Lacs, having been implemented in 2001, 2002 and 2007. He added the state’s walleye harvest has been below this year’s allocation level of 178,500 pounds four of the last 10 years and in 2005 the harvest was below 200,000 pounds.

    The lake is also becoming increasingly complex and unpredictable. This is due largely to changes in the aquatic community, including the presence of unwanted aquatic invasive species such as zebra mussel, spiny water flea and Eurasian watermilfoil.

    These factors, plus a state and tribal harvest management strategy that focused largely on walleyes in the 14- to 18-inch range, all have contributed to a declining walleye population.

    Jones said despite the declining walleye population, winter walleye fishing was good, which typically suggests good fishing in spring, too.

    jeff_huberty
    Inactive
    Posts: 4941
    #1153759

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    “We’ll be starting a predator diet study this spring.


    Morons

    Paul Heise
    River Falls, Wi
    Posts: 723
    #1153769

    Quote:


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    “We’ll be starting a predator diet study this spring.




    Morons




    That’s simple, they are eating night crawlers and weeds! Or maybe the guy that came up with this brilliant idea was smokin’ weed!

    Matt M
    Blaine, MN
    Posts: 169
    #1153785

    Any word on night fishing restrictions? Same as last few years?

    Will Roseberg
    Moderator
    Hanover, MN
    Posts: 2121
    #1153788

    Quote:


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    “We’ll be starting a predator diet study this spring.


    Morons


    X2

    vikefanmn77
    Northfield,MN
    Posts: 1493
    #1153789

    I am very thankful that I dont fish Mille Lacs, I cant imagine how much more irritated I would be about this if I actually had a vested interest in it!!!

    Fife
    Ramsey, MN
    Posts: 4046
    #1153790

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    Any word on night fishing restrictions? Same as last few years?


    I heard there will be a night ban all season, but I don’t see it in the regulations. Seems a little odd.

    briansmude
    Posts: 184
    #1153794

    Mille Lacs is a world class smallmouth fishery right now, something they have been working for years. And now they’re going to throw it all away. Would it have been that bad to make the limit 2 smallmouth. The lake took a serious beating last year from the warm weather. I. Was out there several times when the water temps were in the 80s, there was dead fish everywhere and I was seeing and catching 26″ walleyes in a foot of water looking for food and oxygen. When the water was hot the walleyes were skinny and sick looking, late fall and winter they were fat and healthy. But yet they are blaming it on the pike and smallmouth.

    ted-merdan
    Posts: 1036
    #1153798

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    I am very thankful that I dont fish Mille Lacs, I cant imagine how much more irritated I would be about this if I actually had a vested interest in it!!!


    I can live with this, it’s a whole lot better than no fishing. With this slot we should be able to harvest a few meals throughout the season to boot!

    I am also fine if this keeps addtional fellow fisherman away from the lake

    Looking forward to opener! With the assumption the ice is off the lake though…

    Will Roseberg
    Moderator
    Hanover, MN
    Posts: 2121
    #1153804

    Quote:


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    Any word on night fishing restrictions? Same as last few years?


    I heard there will be a night ban all season, but I don’t see it in the regulations. Seems a little odd.



    These are exactly the restrictions I was expecting…

    From what I had heard coming out of the advisory meetings it was a given that there would be a 2″ slot limit on the lake but since DNR predictions were that we would still exceed the quota there were multiple additional measures proposed – 2 fish limit, barbless hooks, no live bait, full season night ban starting at 8:30, no fishing the flats during summer, etc.

    As I understand it the path forward leaving the fishing advisory board meetings was that the season would start with one of those options for the beggining of the season and then depending on early numbers changes could be made during the season.

    deertracker
    Posts: 9241
    #1153805

    So what are the thoughts on tournaments? Has there been any talk about denying permits?
    DT

    Fife
    Ramsey, MN
    Posts: 4046
    #1153823

    I haven’t heard anything yet on tournaments. With these new regs, the lake should become a lot more popular for bass tournaments.

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
    #1153827

    I don’t recall tournes being cancelled the last time we went to a 2 fish limit. Didn’t attract full fields, but they were still held.

    Ageee on the bass tourneys.

    -J.

    jer.2006
    Posts: 5
    #1153842

    Write/E-mail to your legislatures! The thought of the tribes needing to use gill nets for sustenance is ridiculous. WAKE UP PEOPLE! This is about land buy back and they will use their casino funds to do it. It will happen over and over again until something happens. They WANT the lakes to crash to buy everything up!! Now is the time to voice your outrage!

    Brad Juaire
    Maple Grove, MN
    Posts: 6101
    #1153848

    I expect we will see further restrictions when state anglers close in on the allotted annual quota. The quota will probably be reached pretty quickly since there are most likely more 18-20” walleyes in the lake which have not been targeted (by state anglers) in years past. In other words, two 18-20 inch walleyes are probably going to be easier to catch than four walleyes under the 17″ mark. In addition, two 18-20 inch walleyes weigh about the same as four walleyes under the 17 inch mark.

    Is it me or does anyone else feel that the MNDNR reacts to everything related to Mille Lacs versus being proactive? When they release the slot limit – shouldn’t they release a long term plan as well? For example – what would happen or what further restrictions would be imposed if the quota is going to be reached earlier than what is being projected this year? Or what would happen if the walleye counts continue to decline when they do their testing again? It always seems that we are in the dark. I feel the MNDNR should tell us their strategy or a long term plan or if they have one – then make it public.

    jeff_huberty
    Inactive
    Posts: 4941
    #1153854

    Quote:


    I am very thankful that I dont fish Mille Lacs, I cant imagine how much more irritated I would be about this if I actually had a vested interest in it!!!


    Don’t ignore it, just look to the east and see what the native tribes have done to the nieghbors this summer.

    splitshot
    Rosemount, MN
    Posts: 544
    #1153859

    Quote:


    Is it me or does anyone else feel that the MNDNR reacts to everything related to Mille Lacs versus being proactive?


    TYPICAL government operations! Trust me,… I work for them (not DNR). It’s the same in every agency and by your Legislature. Heck, look at what the metro goofs want to do with your legacy funds (rebuild city parks). If they can’t have what they want – immediately, they just legislate it. We’ve also seen it with the wolves, and now the moose.
    IMHO, there should’ve been a plan for this worst case scenario since netting was approved by the courts.
    React – after the damage. Again, typical government operations.

    Brian Hoffies
    Land of 10,000 taxes, potholes & the politically correct.
    Posts: 6843
    #1153902

    Quote:


    Write/E-mail to your legislatures! The thought of the tribes needing to use gill nets for sustenance is ridiculous. WAKE UP PEOPLE! This is about land buy back and they will use their casino funds to do it. It will happen over and over again until something happens. They WANT the lakes to crash to buy everything up!! Now is the time to voice your outrage!


    So, by killing the Lake they gain a little bit of soil. How do you factor the lost revenue from the vacationing tourist visiting the Lake into your equation?

    I don’t mind you throwing a rock, but at least post where your theory came from and how it works.

    jer.2006
    Posts: 5
    #1154055

    Quote:


    Quote:


    Write/E-mail to your legislatures! The thought of the tribes needing to use gill nets for sustenance is ridiculous. WAKE UP PEOPLE! This is about land buy back and they will use their casino funds to do it. It will happen over and over again until something happens. They WANT the lakes to crash to buy everything up!! Now is the time to voice your outrage!


    So, by killing the Lake they gain a little bit of soil. How do you factor the lost revenue from the vacationing tourist visiting the Lake into your equation?

    I don’t mind you throwing a rock, but at least post where your theory came from and how it works.


    I am just as concerned about the lost revenue to the resorts and businesses as you are. My theory? We are the invasive species to the tribes. How do they get us out? Crash the lake to make the resorts/buisnesses/homes less desirable and a lot more affordable. Then, buy them up. It is slowly working for them and it has to stop. That is why contacting legislatures is a good idea. We anglers may not have all of the funds needed at this point, but we all equal a vote. If the elected officials felt enough pressure from all of the anglers, not only caring about Mille Lacs but other lakes as well, they just might get scared that they woun’t get re-elected. That is more power then the tribes can buy. That is why I believe we need to voice our outrage!

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
    #1154069

    Hi justwannafish. Welcome to IDO.

    Question for you. Do you have any real evidence that the Mille Lacs band actually wants resorts around the lake to close so they can buy them up? This has been a common rumor around the lake for years and has never happened to my knowledge. (When the tribe bought Eddy’s, they were not going out of business.)

    Here’s an example. Izatys foreclosed in 2009 and the tribe did not scoop up this prime property. Izatys closed again this fall and has been for sale all winter. (A steal at $3.5m Izatys For Sale ) The tribe obviously passed on this opportunity and bought hotels in St Paul instead. Not sure who said it first…. But “Everything is for sale if the price is right” And the Mille Lacs band has plenty of cash. I’m sure they could play monopoly if they really wanted to. However, that is simply not what has happened. Nor have I heard or read any plans for this in the near future.

    I have talked to several band members over the years and they all agree what is good for Mille Lacs resorts is good for casino business. They really don’t want people to stop coming to Mille Lacs.

    Also, fact is the Mille Lacs band only accounts for a small portion of the tribal netting. The vast majority of netting is being done by tribes from Wisconsin and Michigan. These out state tribes could care less about the resort business at Mille Lacs.

    I’m all for writing your elected representative. But it is super important to stay on topic and don’t stray from facts. The last thing we as anglers want to do is get all worked up about something that is simply not true. Keep the message to the point. Stop the netting. It is killing the lake. Leave the casino conspiracy at the door. It’s not going to help the cause!

    -J.

    Brian Hoffies
    Land of 10,000 taxes, potholes & the politically correct.
    Posts: 6843
    #1154189

    Perfect response JJ!!

    thundereye
    Posts: 30
    #1154197

    Smallmouth Bass with Garlic Butter,
    Chives and Mushrooms

    6-8 T. butter
    3 cloves garlic, crushed
    2-1/2 pound Bass fillets (Trout works too)
    Dry white wine
    8 oz. fresh mushrooms, quartered
    Freshly chopped chives
    Salt and pepper to taste
    Preheat oven to 450F. Melt butter in a saucepan, add garlic cloves and remove from heat allowing cloves to steep for 10 minutes; remove garlic and discard. Brush pan with garlic butter; place fillets skin side down. Brush fillets liberally with garlic butter. Pour a little wine or water around fillets to keep them from sticking. Sprinkle with salt and pepper and bake for 5-7 minutes or until fish is done. Meanwhile, sauté mushrooms in remaining garlic butter until lightly browned. Remove fish to heated serving plates along with cooking juices. Cover with sautéed mushrooms and sprinkle with chives. Serves 6.

    jer.2006
    Posts: 5
    #1154297

    Well, I certainly hope that is true. I by no means want to stray from the real issues for sure! It sure would be nice to see the Mille Lacs bands then join with the non-natives in the area and try to promote the lake. Why don’t they?

    I understand that they don’t care for the WI and MI tribes coming over here. Why don’t they try to help with that??
    I just feel like there are things they could be doing to help the situation if they truely care. They have tons of lakes that they could target as well. Maybe Mille Lacs should be a certain % of their take for the year so the pressure can be taken off a bit and the whole community can survive.
    Until I see movements from them in some positive light for the well being of the lake, I’m not buying it! A theory of course is just that… a theory. Thank you though for taking the time to make valid points!

    manselmo07
    Hudson WI
    Posts: 42
    #1154319

    Well…the walleyes are gone so I guess the next step is to wipe out the best smallmouth fishery on the planet.

    I blame this new liberal bag limit of bass on walleye fisherman feedback and DNR ignorance. I suppose all the Muskie should be filleted too. There isn’t anything wrong with keeping a few fish, but they mentality of the walleye community is ridiculous. It’s the reason slot limits were imposed. This all revolves around the fact that every “legal” walleye pulled out of any lake is immediately kept. I bet less than 5% of legal walleyes are actually let go.

    It’s sad that the bass fishery is being set up for destruction. Look at the regs…anything look familiar? Take out the young year classes of fish and protect the large spawning females? Oh yeah…you can keep one “over” fish.

    The bass and muskie fishing communities across the country long ago realized that catch and release is ok. Why can’t the walleye folks get on board? Even if you can only keep 2 fish, I challenge you to find a lake outside of Mille Lacs with as much fish catching or trophy potential. I fish Mille Lacs all year for every species in the lake. This new limit will not keep me from fishing walleyes. I don’t feel entitled to a limit of “keepers” when I get to the ramp. I enjoy catching fish and Mille Lacs is world class for many different species.

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
    #1154470

    Quote:


    http://www.perm.org/articles/a170.html

    Just a bit of info… not going to beat it to death.


    Yawn. That article is as old as the rumor I mentioned. Probably started there. Mille Lacs Tea Party?? Who? Really? PERM loses credibility associating with them.

    The one thing in the article true here in Mn is:

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    Bands are spending huge sums of money for political donations and lobbying in an effort to influence the very government they want to be separate from.



    Not sure about the numbers they indicate but at the state level Im sure they are substantial.

    -J.

    lancew
    Posts: 65
    #1154531

    Just a disaster. Treating the smallmouths as if they have filled a niche created by Indian netting has no provable basis in fact. Hook and line anglers abused ML last year, but no one is looking in the mirror on that. And the complexity with the changing lake enviroment makes science based managment a shot in the dark. At least try, MNDNR, for a wholistic approach to the entire lake biology, with no species favoritism. Yes, factor species pursued, but PLEASE, stop worrying about folksy intellectual meanderings and manage the lake like it matters!

    crossin_eyes
    Lakeville, MN
    Posts: 1379
    #1154826

    I disagree that the smallmouth fishery in Mille Lacs is going to suffer because of the more liberal bag limits. Fact of the matter is, very few people eat smallmouth bass. The increase in the bag limits could actually help attract some pretty big bass tournaments that will fill a void left if and when the walleye tournaments cease to exist.

    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13294
    #1154853

    Are those 18 to 20″ fish this year the same 14 to 17″ers we fished for last year?

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