Video from Mille Lacs 4/4/2012

  • mike-west
    Amery, WI
    Posts: 1422
    #1289347

    Caution, this Video contains graphic footage and not suitable for the weak, but only for the ones that really care on what’s taking place. This obviously does not pretain to certain Government agencies.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLz9V_p-YAE&feature=youtu.be

    Rumor also has it that a possible MN State record Muskie took ill fate to one of these nets.

    What a shame!!!

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1055880

    That aught to make the muskie guys happy.

    Guess it beats tossing them in a ditch?

    Brian Hoffies
    Land of 10,000 taxes, potholes & the politically correct.
    Posts: 6843
    #1055884

    Perhaps you can find a e-mail directory for the state legislature, house and senate and then the DNR and forward the link to all of them.

    Don’t use a heading with the name “Mille Lacs” in it. It will cause everyone to hide under their desks with their hands over their eyes.

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #1055885

    Lucikly it was just Musky not catfish. Everyone would be up in arms about cats.

    Thanks for sharing Mike! This IS the reason everyone should be supporting Mr. Fellegy and his fight for equal rights.

    smackem
    Iowa Marshall Co
    Posts: 956
    #1055892

    Do they get to keep all of those?

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #1055893

    Sometimes. Other times they dump them in the woods around the lake. Most are filleted and sold though. Any non-walleye have a very negative impact on their quota so they hide pike and musky in any fashion possible.

    The first musky that guy tossed back was out of the water for 4+ minutes. Think it survived?

    Hunting4Walleyes
    MN
    Posts: 1552
    #1055894

    This quote below is directly from the Fond du Lac website. This is why they are tossing them back dead or alive.

    Quote:


    The FDLRMD also would like to stress the importance of releasing northern pike from gill nets, if the pike appear able to survive. This is extremely important this year. Fond du Lac has a 25,428 lbs walleye allocation, but only a 1387 lb northern pike quota. Note that even though this is a 423 pound increase over last year, it is not likely that FDL will be able to gain additional pike throughout the season. The regulations state that once FDL harvests their quota for any species, then netting is shut down for all species. So once FDL has harvested 1387 lbs of northern pike, we are done netting, even if we’ve only harvested 100 lbs of our 25,428 lbs walleye quota. Please keep that in mind when you are pulling your nets.


    steve-fellegy
    Resides on the North Shores of Mille Lacs--guiding on Farm Island these days
    Posts: 1294
    #1055907

    Quote:


    This quote below is directly from the Fond du Lac website. This is why they are tossing them back dead or alive.

    Quote:


    The FDLRMD also would like to stress the importance of releasing northern pike from gill nets, if the pike appear able to survive. This is extremely important this year. Fond du Lac has a 25,428 lbs walleye allocation, but only a 1387 lb northern pike quota. Note that even though this is a 423 pound increase over last year, it is not likely that FDL will be able to gain additional pike throughout the season. The regulations state that once FDL harvests their quota for any species, then netting is shut down for all species. So once FDL has harvested 1387 lbs of northern pike, we are done netting, even if we’ve only harvested 100 lbs of our 25,428 lbs walleye quota. Please keep that in mind when you are pulling your nets.



    This northern quota issue has been abused for years! As many as a dozen or more northerns/muskies are released dead from single boats often. Our DNR has been aware of it for years. They do nothing……as there are NOT Mn. DNR officials on site in most cases. NEVER actually watching or checking on the water action.

    This video is proof and needs to go to ALL media and lawmakers. But anything “Tribal” is off limits to the media coverage? You all need to badger the media with this stuff until they cover it!!!

    And it will be good court related evidence that this mess is out of control and in contempt of the ’99 order/high court judgement.

    “Not a conservation issue”. Amazing…..as my chest pains grow.

    a.j.-wiesner
    Ely,MN / Rochester,MN
    Posts: 929
    #1055909

    grab a pitchfork every1!!

    steve-fellegy
    Resides on the North Shores of Mille Lacs--guiding on Farm Island these days
    Posts: 1294
    #1055911

    And as you all might or might not know, the Tribal regime is planning this same type of Lake Mille Lacs scenario at lakes like Ottertail, Gull Lake and so on….as the northern Mn. Bands are asking for control of everything ( natural resource related)north of interstate #94–per a 150 year old treaty rights case. (the 2010 Lake Bemidji netting was the start of that effort)

    So this is far bigger than Lake Mille Lacs. Defend YOUR future now!

    a.j.-wiesner
    Ely,MN / Rochester,MN
    Posts: 929
    #1055914

    steve- what is an avg. donation you recieve from fellow fisherman towards the good cause?? i am a young man that makes a limited amount of money but i also feel as i should do SOMETHING about it!

    I also wish that i had some kind of media connections because i believe you bring up SO MANY good points on the topic. I argue my friends your points and when i begin they think i’m a racist….until they listen to the facts and then MOST people are outraged that they DON’T actually have equal rights in america!

    thanks so much for fighting the fight steve!! hope all goes well for you and i’ll be making a donation soon.

    MN Musky
    Ham Lake/Mille Lacs, Mn
    Posts: 120
    #1055922

    This may unleash Muskies, Inc. hell on the issue. Someone please get them a copy. (I’m inept at video email)

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1055929

    Steve, what are your next steps? The message I am finding at various sites is a little scattered.

    I believe what I did read is that you said this will not be settled in the courts. So what is your next action and what would be the final action that would meet your goal?

    For everyone else, this is not a baited question, I am genuinely curious.

    matt-p
    White Bear Lake, MN
    Posts: 643
    #1055931

    That pisses me off.. really!! I bet those eyes are full of eggs right now too..

    steve-fellegy
    Resides on the North Shores of Mille Lacs--guiding on Farm Island these days
    Posts: 1294
    #1055944

    Quote:


    steve- what is an avg. donation you recieve from fellow fisherman towards the good cause?? i am a young man that makes a limited amount of money but i also feel as i should do SOMETHING about it!

    Any amount one can afford is more than appreciated by everyone. Most “investments” are between $20 and $50.

    I also wish that i had some kind of media connections because i believe you bring up SO MANY good points on the topic. I argue my friends your points and when i begin they think i’m a racist….until they listen to the facts and then MOST people are outraged that they DON’T actually have equal rights in america!

    thanks so much for fighting the fight steve!! hope all goes well for you and i’ll be making a donation soon.


    YOU are NOT the racist! A person advocating equal rights is just the opposite of racist! One that insists another race has less rights than he or she is racist…..

    steve-fellegy
    Resides on the North Shores of Mille Lacs--guiding on Farm Island these days
    Posts: 1294
    #1055945

    Quote:


    Steve, what are your next steps? The message I am finding at various sites is a little scattered.

    I believe what I did read is that you said this will not be settled in the courts. So what is your next action and what would be the final action that would meet your goal?

    For everyone else, this is not a baited question, I am genuinely curious.


    Our continued effort in court etc. is to make the public/media aware of the scandal ongoing. Thus-putting pressure on the Gov. officials to end this mess.

    In the end, to end this “selective sovereignty”/unequal rights nationswide, new laws have to be written. The courts can only rule on existing laws like the one we bring to light in the 14th ammendment. So in the end, Congress is in our sights…..via the voting booth! The masses of voters need to force the issue on the elected officials and or newly running candidates.

    steve-fellegy
    Resides on the North Shores of Mille Lacs--guiding on Farm Island these days
    Posts: 1294
    #1055947

    No video so just my word…

    I just watched a netting boat come in at the Garrison landing. After pulling the boat out of the water, (they pulled their nets a half mile away from the landing) they stretched the nets full of fish out on the pavement as usual. Of course, as the nets came out of the grates, the fish landed on the tar. SO—–after all this…pulling nets on the water, a boat ride back to shore, loading the boat and banging them on the tar, all the while these fish being out of the water in crates and already discolored, they take two big northerns down to the beach and “released” them.

    I attempted get a still photo of the northerns being washed up in the waves on the rocks(pounded on the rocks in the waves) but a GLIFWC warden stepped in and made the guys go get them–surely because I was watching.

    Amazing…….

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1055948

    Wouldn’t they have to either “de-ratify” treaties or renegotiate them to reach this end?

    To me the big hurdle is that there are treaties and court rulings already on those treaties and like it or not, trumps, so to speak, any equal rights argument.

    Also, as I stated previously, they technically don’t interfere with non-tribal members rights to fish. They just have different rules granted through treaties. That is where I think you run into a problem with your argument.

    That being said, I am by no means in favor of tribal netting. And I certainly would not cry if netting and spearing out of the normal season was banned.

    If nothing else, maybe this helps in bringing up arguments that might be brought against you. I don’t know if you have looked at things from the angle I am presenting.

    d-train
    Posts: 125
    #1055969

    Just sent a (admittedly small) donation your way Steve. Keep up the good work.

    steve-fellegy
    Resides on the North Shores of Mille Lacs--guiding on Farm Island these days
    Posts: 1294
    #1055971

    Quote:


    Wouldn’t they have to either “de-ratify” treaties or renegotiate them to reach this end?

    To me the big hurdle is that there are treaties and court rulings already on those treaties and like it or not, trumps, so to speak, any equal rights argument.

    Also, as I stated previously, they technically don’t interfere with non-tribal members rights to fish. They just have different rules granted through treaties. That is where I think you run into a problem with your argument.

    That being said, I am by no means in favor of tribal netting. And I certainly would not cry if netting and spearing out of the normal season was banned.

    If nothing else, maybe this helps in bringing up arguments that might be brought against you. I don’t know if you have looked at things from the angle I am presenting.


    The end result needs to do away the “selective sovereignty” the Native Amercians have available, exclusively, to them.

    In other words, ALL treaties and the like are null and void if one party to them ceases to exist. That means, if Native Amercians were equal citizens, exactly viewed by the Gov. as all other U.S. citizens, and NOT viewed as a separate sovereign nation, the present scenario goes away. The Native Amercians and all other U.S. citizens become one. Thus–no agreements or treaties are possilbe.

    Again…my case and future legal efforts/avenues are there to bring the mess to a head. A level that recoginzes that we are now in the 21st century, not the 18th or 19th. My case and future efforts are bits and pieces that will lead to that end goal. No doubt!

    steve-fellegy
    Resides on the North Shores of Mille Lacs--guiding on Farm Island these days
    Posts: 1294
    #1055973

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    Just sent a (admittedly small) donation your way Steve. Keep up the good work.


    Thank you! The “donations” are not to me. They are an investment in yourself and your future as a U.S. citizen. This isn’t about me….it’s about ALL of us.

    Fife
    Ramsey, MN
    Posts: 4046
    #1055981

    Quote:


    Also, as I stated previously, they technically don’t interfere with non-tribal members rights to fish. They just have different rules granted through treaties. That is where I think you run into a problem with your argument.


    One could make the case that the practice of harvesting thousands of pounds of fish by net goes against the annual safe harvest level for the lake, which in turn decides the slot size and limits for non-natives. It is pretty clear that the DNR is waiting to see how the netting goes, before they set the slot limits for next season. If I have the right to keep 6 Walleyes per day on any other lake in MN, one could make a case that only being allowed to keep 4 on Mille Lacs is a result of the “tribal rights” that are given on Mille Lacs.

    Sartell Eye Guy
    Sartell, MN
    Posts: 624
    #1055985

    Well said Dan.

    I looked, and last year the slot and limits were posted around March 9th. Wonder why it’s so much later this year….?

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22456
    #1055986

    Pug, there are plenty of tribal funded lawyers playing devils advocate. We don’t need one more. It is kind of the old adage, you take the good with the bad… the problem is, they take all the good of the treaty and our Constitution and leave the bad.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1055993

    Quote:


    If I have the right to keep 6 Walleyes per day on any other lake in MN, one could make a case that only being allowed to keep 4 on Mille Lacs is a result of the “tribal rights” that are given on Mille Lacs.



    Yet you still get fish and to keep fish. We have many “rights” that are regulated. Some of them too are skewed in other people’s favor.

    dan-larson
    Cedar, Min-E-So-Ta
    Posts: 1482
    #1055995

    Steve, you have my support. In this age of technology, couldn’t we organize a large group of poeple to follow them around with cameras? Keep people at all the accesses with cameras rolling? I would be more than willing to give up some crappie fishing days to get more of this out for public consumption.

    shady5
    Posts: 491
    #1056046

    Quote:


    Quote:


    If I have the right to keep 6 Walleyes per day on any other lake in MN, one could make a case that only being allowed to keep 4 on Mille Lacs is a result of the “tribal rights” that are given on Mille Lacs.



    Yet you still get fish and to keep fish. We have many “rights” that are regulated. Some of them too are skewed in other people’s favor.


    Is there some sort of latent logic in this statement that I’m missing?

    blackbay
    Posts: 699
    #1056059

    Quote:


    One could make the case that the practice of harvesting thousands of pounds of fish by net goes against the annual safe harvest level for the lake, which in turn decides the slot size and limits for non-natives. It is pretty clear that the DNR is waiting to see how the netting goes, before they set the slot limits for next season. If I have the right to keep 6 Walleyes per day on any other lake in MN, one could make a case that only being allowed to keep 4 on Mille Lacs is a result of the “tribal rights” that are given on Mille Lacs.


    The band quota does go against the entire lakes safe harvest level. The remaining poundage is open for sport angling. As I understand it the bands are allowed up to 50% of the entire lakes quota, they just haven’t done it yet. The safe harvest level gets set by the bands, GLIFWC, and the Mn DNR. So the Mn DNR has an idea what is available for sport anglers and sets the slot limits based on those numbers and population estimates. http://news.dnr.state.mn.us/2012/04/05/new-walleye-regulation-at-mille-lacs-lake-good-fishing-expected/

    And that’s all I got ta say about that.

    Paulski
    “Ever Wonder Why There Are No Democrats On Mount Rushmore ? "
    Posts: 1196
    #1056063

    As a muskies inc member and somebody who also walleye fishes, that whole video is just disheartening to say the least…

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