I was out there 2 sundays ago in the same spot, trying out my new walleye setup. tried a bunch of stuff, even hoping for some smallies. Only thing that was working was a 3″ white twister tail. Caught a couple white perch that were really good size (i know, stop churching it up, they are drum). Also caught a decent mooneye and snagged what i believe was a carp. The carp ran for about 10 minutes, my new pflueger president xt was howling from the drag, but the 8# vanish held its own! I seen the tail come up twice, had to be about 16 inches from top tip to bottom tip, red in color. It finally came off (unsnagged) and I got my lure back