Frontline Worker Pay Approved

Anyone wants to have a lil fun google your local non profits and check out the numbers they took in as well.

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Coletrain27 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Bearcat89 wrote:</div>
Yes, can’t make over x amount on the year.

Yes you already mentioned that. I was asking mike…

Sorry I was just answering your question. My bad

I have an issue with this given what I went thru during those 2 years.
Teachers who taught from home are getting money -wrong
Not political? – wrong
Timing?- just like student loan forgiveness
Get vaxed or lose your job ( and you are NOT allowed to even come in to the office if you want – vaxed or not?!?! )- right – was my wife’s choice and several others on here
Surplus – give it back to those who paid taxes – PERIOD
Lots of abusers – local FOOD GROUP come to mind that’s been on the news? Tip of the iceberg
ALL the new IRS hired- looking to find the discrepancies things like this? – you’re kidding right?

Back to fishing for me –

This admin has no business giving away our excess money to a specific “group” of people like they are doing. No business whatsoever. It’s wrong and it BS.
Who will “they” decide the next group should be? Vote them out!

suzuki wrote:

Instead it goes to those that remained gainfully employed and vaccinated. This is political pandering.

I didnt get vaccinated and i got an approval email this morning. Wish I made enough to not qualify but I dont.

Deuces wrote:

These type workers actually deserved the pay, and quite frankly should have gotten much more, the essential essential worker really kicked @ss for all of us during the pandemic. The thousands of businesses that took PPP that didn’t need a single dime should be the ones getting scorned here.

What I cannot understand is how people are so content on being angry over this instead of the widely abused PPP Loan system. The “It’s leading to inflation” talk basically highlights what little people know about mathematics related to this payment.

There was ~900 billion handed out in PPP Loans with varying levels of need. I know some businesses who used it to stay afloat in tough times due to stuff out of their control, some who used it to stay afloat when their own questionable choices put them there, and others who essentially just invested in into their business that had few impacts at all. A local trucking outfit here in town had 2.6 million forgiven…and their business was hardly impacted. I already shared about a buddy’s plumbing business who pocketed a nice chunk. Heck, even In Depth Outdoors Media had a PPP Loan for $79k. I’m in no way saying all of these free payments were unwarranted, but I have substantially more questions about the overreaching involved with this than the frontline worker pay, especially with how huge it was.

By comparison, there will be 500 million in Frontline Worker Pay handed out (which was voted on by BOTH sides of the aisle). $900 billion is 1800X more than $500 million. This $400 payment to some is going to do next to nothing to impact the economy or inflation. I’ll “buy” the argument about it being a political ploy in an election year which seems to be all too perfect of timing…but arguing against it from an economics standpoint is not worth the effort.

I get butthurt about it because of what people were paid to stay home and do nothing. They were paid more than many frontline public safety/healthcare workers make and we were literally covered in Covid for 2+ years (don’t care whether you think that was dangerous or not), having to tell family members you can’t say goodbye or see their loved ones before they died, and bringing covid back to our homes and our children.

That’s why I get worked up about it. It’s the same story all the time these days. Those doing the dirty work get F&*^ed.

buckybadger wrote:

What I cannot understand is how people are so content on being angry over this instead of the widely abused PPP Loan system.

I don’t understand the whataboutism. Most people were opposed to the Govt printing historic amounts for all these programs, and throw Student Loan Forgiveness and any other program from the last 2+ years in there. The increase in money supply has resulted in 8%+ inflation month over month over month. But the peons (us) quibble over this or that, instead of uniting against this GOVT MADE problem. And yes both parties made it. And yes this is state funds….that are an unexpected surplus due to the money printer being funneled into big corp and the wealthiest’s pockets resulting in more unexpected revenue for the state.

gimruis wrote:

This isn’t like the federal student loan forgiveness thing. That was unilateral decision making by the President without approval from Congress.

Yes, in complete violation of the constitution, under which he has no authority the last time I read our constitution, just another way to buy votes around election time, and it appears as usual nobody has a problem with it, just throw it on the 30+ trillion dollar debt bill for this country, it’s somebody else’s money… what a sad state of affairs…. I guess I should expect my money for paying for 5 years of my own college education next …. and my vote buyout from MN for working the last 2 years to add to my 27 in customer service, sigh, I digress as usual

Paulski

Paulski wrote:

and my vote buyout from MN for working the last 2 years to add to my 27 in customer service, sigh, I digress as usual

So my question is to you, who’s buying your vote? Because in this case, its been approved by the state legislature which consists of both parties. Vote out the entire state legislature?

No reason to get into the student loan forgiveness thing. That’s not even remotely the same as this.

Generally speaking its just abuse of executive power and hypocrisy – point your finger in whichever direction you choose.
I chose Trump as he was NOT a career Washington politician. Was hopeful we could go in a more “business-like” fashion as in creating a budget and living by it.

At least our democracy makes this a better place to live than pretty much anywhere else on the planet ( course that new Mars lake is gonna be cool so maybe….. ).

At the end of the day man is man and will look after his own self interests ( no offense to anyone here) add religion, politics, gender, race, age to the mix and you have anything that any war was ever started for.

All we can do is exercise our rights and peacefully advocate for what we want.
Research your candidates and vote when the opportunity arises. Make sure my family is healthy and provided for and that i’m a good christian and my work here is done. If others screw me because of it – oh well. It’s easy to complain and I am certainly guilty of it too.

gimruis wrote:

So my question is to you, who’s buying your vote? Because in this case, its been approved by the state legislature which consists of both parties. Vote out the entire state legislature?

No reason to get into the student loan forgiveness thing. That’s not even remotely the same as this.

Yes, every single politician currently in office needs to be voted out, regardless of how important they think in their own minds they are. They have all been there too long in beyond 2 terms. Go get a real job, of which too many have never had in the first place.

I paid the taxes, so if your going to ” give ” something back, give it back to who gave it in the first place. … otherwise, as noted, just a way to buy votes

Paulski

Paulski wrote:

Yes, every single politician currently in office needs to be voted out, regardless of how important they think in their own minds they are. They have all been there too long in beyond 2 terms. Go get a real job, of which too many have never had in the first place.

I paid the taxes, so if your going to ” give ” something back, give it back to who gave it in the first place. … otherwise, as noted, just a way to buy votes

Alright, that’s fair. Good response Paulski.

gimruis wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Paulski wrote:</div>
Yes, every single politician currently in office needs to be voted out, regardless of how important they think in their own minds they are. They have all been there too long in beyond 2 terms. Go get a real job, of which too many have never had in the first place.

I paid the taxes, so if your going to ” give ” something back, give it back to who gave it in the first place. … otherwise, as noted, just a way to buy votes

Alright, that’s fair. Good response Paulski.

While they both approved it, the republicans wanted to keep it to first responders and health care workers. That would have yielded about $2,000 per person. The democrats are the ones that forced it open to just about everyone.

mahtofire14 wrote:

While they both approved it, the republicans wanted to keep it to first responders and health care workers. That would have yielded about $2,000 per person. The democrats are the ones that forced it open to just about everyone.

Wasn’t aware of that.

Is it still a two tiered payout ?

Frontline workers were to get a set amount and healthcare workers get a bonus amount on top of that ?

I have no problem with people in the food industry or other essential workers getting this payout. Part of the problem is the list of eligible people became too long and the date range broadened.

Brittman wrote:

Is it still a two tiered payout ?

No from the article I read it just says one payment of $487.45 for everyone who was approved.

There is a 2 Tier maximum annual income requirement.. it is like $85,000 and under for those not in medical field. Medical field the yearly income level was higher, so RN’s and Drs. qualify I suppose.

^Correct from what I read. If you had direct Covid 19 Patient Care you were eligible up to an income of $350k.

My wife is a lead RN and ran a Covid unit at times. She worked in hazmat looking gear doing 14 hour shifts for a long time while pregnant. She was very frustrated when she originally heard that she would be above the standard income threshold…not out of necessity but out of principal as she had a perceived risk that was considerably more than basically every Minnesotan receiving the payment. The amount was however adjusted for direct patient care and she then qualified.

To summarize, medical workers are not being paid more in quantity with frontline worker pay…rather the legislation was written to be sure those who took on the most were not excluded on income.

buckybadger wrote:

To summarize, medical workers are not being paid more in quantity with frontline worker pay…rather the legislation was written to be sure those who took on the most were not excluded on income.

I am glad that happened. They are the true heroes. There are a lot of people getting paid that I dont think deserve it, but the fact the Drs/Nurses would have been excluded based on income would have been a tremendous insult.

CaptainMusky wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>buckybadger wrote:</div>
To summarize, medical workers are not being paid more in quantity with frontline worker pay…rather the legislation was written to be sure those who took on the most were not excluded on income.

I am glad that happened. They are the true heroes. There are a lot of people getting paid that I dont think deserve it, but the fact the Drs/Nurses would have been excluded based on income would have been a tremendous insult.

I remember having this conversation with my niece who is an RN. I am not demeaning or trivializing what the healthcare field faced but….. I posed this question to her. Would you rather… Work in healthcare, where you have access to gloves, hand sanitizer, the correct masks that actually protect and tests, basically a place where you “know” someone has or does not have Covid ? Or would you rather work somewhere, you do not have access to gloves, tests & masks that actually prevent viral transmission are outlawed and anyone/everyone you encounter may or may not have Covid ? Again, not meant to disrespect what the healthcare field did, but others did more with less too.

big_g wrote:

I remember having this conversation with my niece who is an RN. I am not demeaning or trivializing what the healthcare field faced but….. I posed this question to her. Would you rather… Work in healthcare, where you have access to gloves, hand sanitizer, the correct masks that actually protect and tests, basically a place where you “know” someone has or does not have Covid ? Or would you rather work somewhere, you do not have access to gloves, tests & masks that actually prevent viral transmission are outlawed and anyone/everyone you encounter may or may not have Covid ? Again, not meant to disrespect what the healthcare field did, but others did more with less too.

A lot of valid arguments there. For me I was working remote for 2 plus years so the only people I ever came in contact with were when I left the house.

big_g wrote:

Or would you rather work somewhere, you do not have access to gloves, tests & masks that actually prevent viral transmission are outlawed and anyone/everyone you encounter may or may not have Covid ? Again, not meant to disrespect what the healthcare field did, but others did more with less too.

We work in the same industry so I get where you are coming from, however I still feel they had a better chance of getting it than we did, being around bodily fluids and such.

John Rasmussen wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>big_g wrote:</div>
Or would you rather work somewhere, you do not have access to gloves, tests & masks that actually prevent viral transmission are outlawed and anyone/everyone you encounter may or may not have Covid ? Again, not meant to disrespect what the healthcare field did, but others did more with less too.

We work in the same industry so I get where you are coming from, however I still feel they had a better chance of getting it than we did, being around bodily fluids and such.

My wife took care of covid patients almost exclusively during the pandemic. for two years she basically wore a hazmat suit. She never got covid during that time. She quit working in the hospital and got covid 1 month after leaving…

Bucky, I’m surprised the hospital allowed your wife to take care of covid patients…All of the pregnant nurses on my wife’s floor weren’t allowed to do so.

John Rasmussen wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>big_g wrote:</div>
Or would you rather work somewhere, you do not have access to gloves, tests & masks that actually prevent viral transmission are outlawed and anyone/everyone you encounter may or may not have Covid ? Again, not meant to disrespect what the healthcare field did, but others did more with less too.

We work in the same industry so I get where you are coming from, however I still feel they had a better chance of getting it than we did, being around bodily fluids and such.

From many studies, Covid is not transmitted through bodily fluids… again, they have PPE and are trained to use it properly. Not looking for a debate. I am not even talking about the auto repair industry… the people working the check out lines at grocery stores/gas stations come to mind mostly. Interacting with hundreds of the general public daily.

My checks in the mail. If flannelmouth Walz thinks he’s bought my vote he’d be wrong.

big_g wrote:

From many studies, Covid is not transmitted through bodily fluids…

It is an aerosolized spread virus. The particles are essentially the size of the smoke you exhale from a cigarette.

CaptainMusky wrote:

It is an aerosolized spread virus. The particles are essentially the size of the smoke you exhale from a cigarette.

Haha remember when we thought it was surface transmission too? Wiping down groceries? Hoarding toilet paper???