Friday nights topic

fishthumper wrote:

For the record, I do know what the word Hyperbole means. I’ll be honest, I looked it up right after your posted your reply with the word in it. This google thing is rather good for things like that.
As far as division or polarization ( Yes I know the meaning of those words as well – I didn’t even need to use google for them ) I don’t need to look into a mirror to see it. I’m far from either. As a matter of fact, I’ve voted a mixed ballot in every election I’ve voted in ( Can you say the same ) I have a good # of friends who are about as far on the opposite end of the political scale from me as possible. Its never effected our friendship. It does result in some lively conversations in the boat while fishing or while out having a few cold ones. Its odd, because you and I most often seem to be on the same side in most issues, but yet you always seem to want to attack me on my replies. Did I wrong you in a past life or possible in this one and just don’t remember it? if so, let me know and I’ll be glad to apologize to you for it. As you said, lets carry on and engage in meaningful discussion.

You said you weren’t using hyperbole (so your comment should be taken literally) when you said, “A democrat presidential candidate could be filmed by every news outlet walking into a nursery school and throwing a live Grenade into every room and walking out, and every democrat I know of would still vote for him no mater who the republican candidate was.”

So did one of your buddies tell you that? And it didn’t affect your friendship?

I’ve voted a straight ticket twice, and once was when I was 18. So on that I guess.

My only issue with you, which we discussed via PM previously, was your constant railing against welfare recipients, and then you personally taking PPP welfare money. Perhaps not coincidentally you were posting about all the things (guns, trips etc.) you were looking to buy soon after. It’s very hypocritical imo, and since we both work in insurance I know how the bread is buttered and hold the same feeling towards anyone who took PPP and then rail against others feeding off the govt teat. Hypocrites imo. And it’s also hypocritical to think you are not polarized/polarizing to say you what you did about Dems/grenades.

BigWerm wrote:

My only issue with you, which we discussed via PM previously, was your constant railing against welfare recipients, and then you personally taking PPP welfare money. Perhaps not coincidentally you were posting about all the things (guns, trips etc.) you were looking to buy soon after. It’s very hypocritical imo, and since we both work in insurance I know how the bread is buttered and hold the same feeling towards anyone who took PPP and then rail against others feeding off the govt teat. Hypocrites imo. And it’s also hypocritical to think you are not polarized/polarizing to say you what you did about Dems/grenades.

One last Reply then I’m going to end this discussion.

One question for you – Did you take any of the Financial Relief Checks sent out during the Pandemic? If so, then you took Relief welfare Money. which would also make you hypocritical. If you sent yours back to the government then you are entitled to your opinion on those who took the PPP money the government offered.
As far as looking at people who are on Welfare and those who took a PPP payment the same. I think there is a Big difference between someone who does not work and takes money paid for by those who do. From someone who has worked 40+ hours a week every since they were 18 years old ( as well as plenty of hours before they were 18 ) If you cant see a difference between the two then there is not more we need to discuss.

You do realize the purpose of the PPP program was to help keep people working, to keep paying their employees, and to keep their business open during the Pandemic right ? I’m not sure how you can see that as a bad thing.

fishthumper wrote:

Did you take any of the Financial Relief Checks sent out during the Pandemic? If so, then you took Relief welfare Money.

Nope I donated any Covid funds that were automatically sent (unlike PPP that had to be registered for and requested), and I also don’t rant against poor people. I rant against gov’t waste, crony capitalism, tribal monopolies, gov’t overreach and corporate handouts. It’s pretty simple actually, and I appreciate the areas where we agree because there’s a lot of all those things going on and common ground to be had, even with your supposed grenade throwers.

And I’m not opposed to people who took PPP that actually needed it. Insurance Agents aren’t and weren’t one of them, I made more money during every year of Covid than I did any other year of my 11 year career in insurance, turns out everyone being at home is a great time to shop insurance!

BigWerm wrote:

And I’m not opposed to people who took PPP that actually needed it. Insurance Agents aren’t and weren’t one of them, I made more money during every year of Covid than I did any other year of my 11 year career in insurance, turns out everyone being at home is a great time to shop insurance!

Glad the covid years were good for your business. I wish I could say the same. I found that when money was tight during covid, that insurance policies are one of the things some felt they could or had to live without. It also was not a great time for people to be out looking for new Cars, and Homes. I had many households put several of their cars into storage coverage or even cancel coverage for some autos during covid. You are one of the few agents I’ve heard say they did better during Covid – Good for you.

fishthumper wrote:

You do realize the purpose of the PPP program was to help keep people working, to keep paying their employees, and to keep their business open during the Pandemic right ? I’m not sure how you can see that as a bad thing.

PPP was supposed to be used for wages. It didn’t matter if you were an employee or an owner, everyone was eligible as long as it was used for payroll. An owner had the right to pay themselves 100% of it as long as it was considered payroll.

Not sure how you can consider this better than checks to individuals. It’s up to the owner(s) of the company to decide who they wanted to pay or even if they wanted to pay them at all.

It was estimated to get only 23-34% of all the PPP money actually went to workers.

IDGAF how you look at it, it’s all socialism. PPP was socialism for business owners.

biggill wrote:

Not sure how you can consider this better than checks to individuals. It’s up to the owner(s) of the company to decide who they wanted to pay or even if they wanted to pay them at all.

It was estimated to get only 23-34% of all the PPP money actually went to workers.

IDGAF how you look at it, it’s all socialism. PPP was socialism for business owners.

So once again, another one who cant see the difference between paying a business owner who has paid a but load of taxes over the years $ to keep his business open and to help him keep paying employees . From an individual who often is choosing not to work and wants to get paid by those who are working. I’m not saying there are not people who need to be and deserve to collect welfare or other social service benefits. Just that there are also far to many who are collecting that should not or don’t need to be. But if you cant see the difference then there is no more reason for discussion

I look at the whole PPP thing and welfare as apples and orange like FT. At least those getting the PPP payments were actually working. Welfare recipients are just happy to sit on that arse and take a payment. Some are deserving due to disabilities or whatever, but the vast majority I would say are not. That’s fraud. There was a lot of fraud with the PPP loans too however. How many corporations took out millions that didnt need it? Tons. Ruth’s Chris was one of the first ones that came to light though I believe they gave it back.

CaptainMusky wrote:

At least those getting the PPP payments were actually working. Welfare recipients are just happy to sit on that arse and take a payment. Some are deserving due to disabilities or whatever, but the vast majority I would say are not.

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