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grpubl7 wrote:

I would use a 280Rem or 270Win, particularly if handloading. But, I can deliver shots on call fairly readily and understand anatomy pretty well too..

If not, a plain-Jane, no-frills, old-hat…30/06 Springfield. It has taken more game you want to shoot than any other cartridge made. The next cartridge isn’t even close.

You may be correct about the 30-06 taken the most games these days. Not to long ago I would have said the 30-30 held that honor – But given how much the old 30-30 has fallen off the last 30 or so years I’d say you are probably correct about the 30-06 now being the #1

The number one selling caliber by rifle manufacturers is still 30/06 and has been for a generation. Interestingly, that crown has been challenged the past 2 years by the 6.5 Creedmoor and literally out of nowhere.

grpubl7 wrote:

The number one selling caliber by rifle manufacturers is still 30/06 and has been for a generation. Interestingly, that crown has been challenged the past 2 years by the 6.5 Creedmoor and literally out of nowhere.

I just started hearing about the 6.5 Creedmoor in the last year. I don’t even know anyone who owns a gun in it.

The 6.5 Creedmoor is a pretty impressive round when being reloaded. I was looking at one for long distance 600 yard shooting.

The Scheels store in Bismarck had quite a variety of 6.5 ammo. I am considering one myself right now.

From the early 90’s until the early 2000’s, the 6.5×308 dominated the NRA 600 yard matches. That’s when the 6mm’s started to make inroads due to equal ballistics and lower shooter fatigue when shooting 88 shots over the course of a day. The first was the long-throated 6BR and then came the long-throated 6BR Dasher. The 6XC began to be the go-to cartridge as well as the 240NM (shoulder and is 2 degrees different than a 6mm Creedmoor). What either made or would break a 6mm was the quality of the brass and whether or not small primer brass was available. The other factor…barrel life. My long-throated Dashers would start pitching shots due to worn throats at 1700rds (cut-rifled barrels), but there were always lots of long faces when I pulled that out of my rifle case in those 1700rds.

The reason that I bring this up is that the 6.5 Creedmoor offers little over the 6.5×308 other than the ability to seat sleek, long, heavier missiles out near the lands and can still be loaded to fit in the magazine, something the 6.5×308 cannot do. Those high BC bullets must be seated back into the case and rob a person of a bit of performance.

If a person wants to tinker at 600yds, a medium 6mm case that holds 35-38 grains of powder and has a barrel twist rate to spin 110-115gr bullets is fast becoming the way to go. That combination has been winning on 1000yd ranges as well. The 6mm Creedmoor may be more to your liking because it meets all of the criteria IF you handload…Lapua Small Primer Cases…high quality, high-BC missiles that blast through conditions pretty well.

The 6.5 creedmoor rage is a combination of 3 things. Marketing, rifle makers actually twisting the barrels enough to stabilize heavier bullets, and mag boxes being made to accept longer more slippery bullets(high bc.) out of said case. Plus it’s very low recoil but it’s not going to wow anyone if speed is their thing.

It’s not total rocket science. Lots of other rounds could benefit from a tad longer mag box and a bit faster twisted barrel to accommodate longer more slickery bullets.

The 6.5 Creed was a development project between a one-time former natl Highpower Champ who happened to be the new general manager for Creedmoor Sports and the chief ballistician at Hornady by the name of Dave Emary. They shot together on the SOG team at Camp Perry, so that is where the relationship began. Dennis won the US Nationals with a 6.5×308 (260 Rem) and wanted something better for the 300 yard rapid-fire stage that could be fed through the magazine with slippery missiles.

Surprisingly, the cartridge never had wide acceptance with that crowd because the 6mm cartridges immediately started whooping up on them. Hornady was the only source of brass and ammo (besides the ammo loaded in Hornady brass on the Creedmoor Sports new loading machine.

The PRS kids finally found it and that is what really sparked the fire for it. Next thing you know, every firearm manufacturer and ammo manufacturer blew things wide open with the 6.5 Creed. It was touted as the best thing since sliced bread and you could actually find the ammo on the shelves to support it for hunting.

Well, it didn’t take long for the PRS shooters to find that “hey, these medium case 6mm’s can hang right with the 6.5mm’s to mid-range distances and have far lower recoil”…and they shifted towards 6mm’s fairly quick. All the while, the hunters were near orgasmic over the new 6.5mm do-all cartridge that could slay any critter that ever walked, short of a Mastodon and at distances that no ethical hunter should ever consider. Tell these new-found hunting experts that it offers nothing ballistically superior to the 260 Rem that was never accepted to any great degree and they would have your skin.

So, if you like a slightly shorter 260 Rem, buy the 6.5mm Creedmoor. If you want a slightly shorter .243 Win, buy a 6mm Creedmoor. They are in essence what you are buying, nothing more.

The one I use the most is a 7mm WSM and I also however know that this cartridge did not gain the popularity as the other WSM cartridges. 270wsm I would feel good about and would be my top choice. I will add on you want to pay attention to where you are aiming.If you do some research between the two the 270WSM beats the 6.5cm. Not to get too technical but we are also looking at two standard short action cartridges and a magnum which is going to push more powder.
As stated above 3006 and also 270 usually have ammo available almost anywhere but the 6.5 creedmore is gaining popularity quick with the ballistics and would be my second choice.

I love the 6.5 bullet and in research will be going into the 6.5-300WBY or 26 nosler for my next gun.

Great information on the 6 and 6.5. If I go with either 6 or 6.5 I would be looking at the Savage 10 for the platform as my .243 is a 10 and it is one heck of an accurate rifle with reloads. For me it is a nice compromise between bull barrel and sporting barrel for carrying.

Thanks

Robert Russell wrote:

308, cause you want an autorifle and cheap ammo for lots of practice. The drop advantage of flatter shooting rds means nothing, now that we’ve got laser range-finders. If you need to range it, it’s too far to humanely shoot at it, unless it’s bedded. It only takes 1/2 second to take a step and even a half step will mean that you’ve hit it in the guts. 1/4 second of flight time is at most 250 yds, for any big game cartridge. If you’ve got a fleeing cripple, the autoloader offers repeat hits at 4x the rate possible with a bolt action and the autorifle can serve for self defense vs men, dogpacks or large, charging animals. Such charges require brain or spine hits to reliably stop big critters. The animal is closing with you at a rate of 50-70 fps, so you’ll only get 1-2 tries at the brain with a bolt action, whereas you’d get 4-6 tries with the autoloader.

Robert Russell wrote:

308, cause you want an autorifle and cheap ammo for lots of practice. The drop advantage of flatter shooting rds means nothing, now that we’ve got laser range-finders. If you need to range it, it’s too far to humanely shoot at it, unless it’s bedded. It only takes 1/2 second to take a step and even a half step will mean that you’ve hit it in the guts. 1/4 second of flight time is at most 250 yds, for any big game cartridge. If you’ve got a fleeing cripple, the autoloader offers repeat hits at 4x the rate possible with a bolt action and the autorifle can serve for self defense vs men, dogpacks or large, charging animals. Such charges require brain or spine hits to reliably stop big critters. The animal is closing with you at a rate of 50-70 fps, so you’ll only get 1-2 tries at the brain with a bolt action, whereas you’d get 4-6 tries with the autoloader.

….is this guy serious? gotta be a troll

50BMG because it works on everything from prairie dogs to t rex and is less affected by wind and rain. And well this is America!

catnip wrote:

50BMG because it works on everything from prairie dogs to t rex and is less affected by wind and rain. And well this is America!

I respectfully disagree. Using two miles as a benchmark, the 416 is king.

What The Pros Use – King of 2 Miles Edition