Flu shot

Jake Hendrickson wrote:

Because they aren’t the same and it isn’t a good analogy.

Heart worm is common and will kill a dog. Rabies is common and will kill a dog and threaten human’s health.

A better analogy would be Bordetella shots….which my dogs don’t get.

So to your point the flu isnt common? just trying to see what you mean by the comment. im not trying to push buttons here, just trying to continue the discussion.
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Thanks for not taking my post as being negative too, I wasn’t pushing buttons, but could have been interpreted as being a jerk.

My point wasn’t that the flu isn’t common. My point was those things in dogs are common AND a death sentence if contracted. Where as the vast majority of people who get the flu recover.

Sharon wrote:

Wow, who’d’ve thought this thread would go into 3 pages?

Up to 4 pages Sharon!

Personally I think everyone can do what they want–get the shot or don’t get the shot.
Just don’t call anyone crazy with whatever decision they make.

mxskeeter wrote:

Just don’t call anyone crazy with whatever decision they make.

Unless they think the “company” or guberment are implanting something other than the flu shot. Then I call them crazy. Sorry.

Last night I discussed this subject with my wife, who is a resident doctor. what she told me, and im sure many arent aware of this or mix them up, the vaccination isnt for the “flu”, but influenza. influenza isnt the throwing up sickness, its the fever, chills, muscle aches, soar throat, fatigue, common sickness in children and older adults. the vaccine is a best guess at what the virus looks like on a given year, some better than others. People do still get sick after getting the shot, but it does help speed up recovery time.

personally for me and my opinion, i think the shot is a good thing, and i feel everyone should get it. I would hate to have influenza and be around my 1 year old nephew or 90 year old grandma and pass that along to them, it doesnt seem worth it when there is something i can do to help prevent that.

everyone has an opinion on the subject, educated opinion or not, it is still their thinking. hopefully from this discussion everyone will do some more research of their own and either strengthen their view on it, or see it the other way.

You can still spread influenza after being vaccinated. Please get your facts straight.

Dusty Gesinger wrote:

You can still spread influenza after being vaccinated. Please get your facts straight.

dont believe I said that Dustin, but thanks!

Jake Hendrickson wrote:

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You can still spread influenza after being vaccinated. Please get your facts straight.

dont believe I said that Dustin, but thanks!

Please explain your thoughts about your nephew and grandma then? Simply washing hands and covering your mouth and nose would be more effective than a vaccination for spreading germs. You don’t have to have a virus to spread it.

Jake Hendrickson wrote:

Last night I discussed this subject with my wife, who is a resident doctor. what she told me, and im sure many arent aware of this or mix them up, the vaccination isnt for the “flu”, but influenza. influenza isnt the throwing up sickness, its the fever, chills, muscle aches, soar throat, fatigue, common sickness in children and older adults.

Ummm, isn’t flu short for influenza?

Ummm, isn’t flu short for influenza?
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my bad, stomach flu and influenza are different.

Influenza is a viral infection that attacks your respiratory system — your nose, throat and lungs. Influenza is commonly called the flu, but it’s not the same as stomach “flu” viruses that cause diarrhea and vomiting.

Facts.

The effectvness of the flu vaccines have ranged from 10% to 60% over the past 14 seasons. Only 4 of those seasons it has been greater than 50% effective.

The CDC has measured effectiveness 2 ways. Randomized controlled trials (RCT) and observational studies. In a RCT, volunteers are assigned randomly to receive an influenza vaccine or a placebo. Seems like a solid way to measure effectiveness if the group is diverse enough and large enough.

Observational studies assess how influenza vaccines work by comparing the occurrence of influenza among people who have been vaccinated compared to people not vaccinated. Vaccine effectiveness is the percent reduction in the frequency of influenza illness among vaccinated people compared to people not vaccinated, usually with adjustment for factors (like presence of chronic medical conditions) that are related to both influenza illness and vaccination. This method only measures people that actually come in to a doctor or hospital. Of all the studies I’ve researched, nearly all of them consider this a limitation because confirming flu vaccinations is difficult because the records are difficult to obtain. They end up with a very small group studied.

Unfortunately the CDC quit using RCTs because it was unethical to subject volunteers to a placebo.