<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>nhamm wrote:</div>
That NICU is fun ain’t it Matt?No vaccines for this guy, and when I take kids to doc I say no. Survival of the fittest.
Insert manly man meme here<—–
We didn’t have it nearly as bad as others but it’s no fun….
They wouldn’t let me in the NICU to see our twin boys UNTIL I had a flu shot. Not a fan myself, but had to do it that year…..
They were in there for five weeks. That sucked.
Interesting.
Our oldest was 9weeks early, but that was 15yrs ago and different rules I guess.
Some of the most wonderful medical people we’ve ever met in there.
All the medical advancements people have made in the last whatever number of years and theres some that still think they’ve outsmarted the system by not getting the vaccination? That doesnt surprise me at all..
Sore arm? Thats the reason? Get the shot in the left arm or find a girlfriend. Problem solved. All jokes aside that probably had more to do with the person giving the shot than the shot itself.
Messes with your diabetes?! Thats a joke, right? Talk to your doctor about that one, my friend. You’re backwards.
No flu,. No shot .
Good discussion! I guess this topic is hotter than Bay watch. I’m still torn now. I already got the shot this year, so maybe I’ll go every other year? Just kidding. I think from now on I’m going to decline it. So BK, do you put a point on your tinfoil hat? What’s that for anyways? I wouldn’t think you would want “them” to get any better reception of your thoughts. Lol.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don’t take advice from others on here regarding medical science from a bunch of hearsay tinfoil hats. Get your flu shot. Do ACTUAL RESEARCH ON THIS SUBJECT before you decide something like this.
A lot of good info from these forums but this is definitely not one of them.
I never did until 2 yrs ago when my wife got sick and I was told by her docs that I needed to get it, to keep her from being exposed. I also get the pneumonia shot every year, I’ve had a problem with recurring bronchitis and pneumonia for decades. I must have inhaled to much crap when I worked in the acid (sulfuric) room years ago.
You sound like me. I used to get bronchitis just about every winter and I’ve had pneumonia 3 times in my youth.
If I had kids in the house or had someone here with a compromised immune system I’d probably get the shot.
I’m one of those people refuse medicine unless absolutely necessary or unbearable like a bad headache.
Get a Sauna, It obviously raises your body temperature. This increase body temperature acts like a short term fever which creates an immune response.
In studies conducted by the British Medical Association, “it has become well known that people who take regular saunas (2-3 per week) reduce their incidence of colds and influenza by over 65%”.
We use ours almost everyday this time of year. Detoxifies as well. When we first started using it we had a lot of diarrhea. Did some research and found that it was the sauna detoxing our system. That went away after about 3 weeks. Best investment we ever made. A lot of info on the web.
Buy one and stop the flu vaccines and antibiotics.
Get a Sauna, It obviously raises your body temperature. This increase body temperature acts like a short term fever which creates an immune response.
In studies conducted by the British Medical Association, “it has become well known that people who take regular saunas (2-3 per week) reduce their incidence of colds and influenza by over 65%”.
We use ours almost everyday this time of year. Detoxifies as well. When we first started using it we had a lot of diarrhea. Did some research and found that it was the sauna detoxing our system. That went away after about 3 weeks. Best investment we ever made. A lot of info on the web.
Buy one and stop the flu vaccines and antibiotics.
Nooooo. That’s all hogwash. A 40% effective vaccine is more effective. 
When we first started using it we had a lot of diarrhea.
SIGN ME UP
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>DTW wrote:</div>
Get a Sauna, It obviously raises your body temperature. This increase body temperature acts like a short term fever which creates an immune response.In studies conducted by the British Medical Association, “it has become well known that people who take regular saunas (2-3 per week) reduce their incidence of colds and influenza by over 65%”.
We use ours almost everyday this time of year. Detoxifies as well. When we first started using it we had a lot of diarrhea. Did some research and found that it was the sauna detoxing our system. That went away after about 3 weeks. Best investment we ever made. A lot of info on the web.
Buy one and stop the flu vaccines and antibiotics.
Nooooo. That’s all hogwash. A 40% effective vaccine is more effective.
Just think if you combined the flu shot with a sauna, it would be 105% effective! It would actually give the flu, the flu in 5% of cases!
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>biggill wrote:</div>
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>DTW wrote:</div>
Get a Sauna, It obviously raises your body temperature. This increase body temperature acts like a short term fever which creates an immune response.In studies conducted by the British Medical Association, “it has become well known that people who take regular saunas (2-3 per week) reduce their incidence of colds and influenza by over 65%”.
We use ours almost everyday this time of year. Detoxifies as well. When we first started using it we had a lot of diarrhea. Did some research and found that it was the sauna detoxing our system. That went away after about 3 weeks. Best investment we ever made. A lot of info on the web.
Buy one and stop the flu vaccines and antibiotics.
Nooooo. That’s all hogwash. A 40% effective vaccine is more effective.
Just think if you combined the flu shot with a sauna, it would be 105% effective! It would actually give the flu, the flu in 5% of cases!
Got one in college and it was the most sick winter I’ve ever had. Went about the next 8 years without one until last year. Got one last year because we were having a child born in January and I felt like I didn’t want his new immune system to get something from me… I haven’t been sick since getting the flu shot last fall. I plan on getting another one this year since it worked last year, and it’s quick and easy to do in the break room at work in a few a weeks.
Wow, who’d’ve thought this thread would go into 3 pages? The range of opinions is interesting and I’ll try to keep mine short. Vaccinations are important. The flu really, really sucks. No vaccine, medication, remedy, etc. is 100% effective. Women can still get pregnant while correctly taking birth control, but it’s still an important part of many women’s health care, as I’m sure many here would agree.
The flu vaccine isn’t necessarily going to prevent you from getting the flu. But if you do get the flu, the vaccine can help lessen your symptoms. And when you’re talking about several days of high fever, vomiting, diarrhea, aches, pains, and respiratory issues… lessening any of that seems like a good trade off for a quick poke in the arm.
This topic gets my blood boiling. It was mentioned earlier but vaccines are as much about others as they are about you.
If you’ve known someone who has a compromised immune system you know how bad the flu can be. We dealt with this when our daughter was an infant because she was born prematurely. The biggest risk to her were others that didn’t have vaccinations. The flu at that time would’ve killed her. After spending almost a month in the hospital with her we had to be quarantined at home until she was strong enough to get her own vaccinations.
Get vaccinated and stop listening to all the conspiracy theories on vaccines.
This is reply real and what it contends is a real problem. I have lung/heart issues and I get the shot so I have some modicum of protection. I enjoyed a similar event with one of my daughters when she was young and after seeing her getting immune globulin infusions that took two days to administer twice a month for 2 years and having to keep her out of school when flu episodes spiked was one of the most tension filled periods of my life.
I’d like to hear what you nay-sayers sound like when you find out an un-vaccinated second or third world kid in your kid’s school shows up with measles.
Flu shots won’t eliminate you from getting the sickness but its been proven that those who have the protection experience far less intense bouts of flu as compared to those who do not get the vaccine. I haven’t had the flu for twenty years and that’s about as long as I have been getting the shots.
Best thing about this thread is it’s a electronic media so a tree didn’t die providing the paper for it.
Women can still get pregnant while correctly taking birth control, but it’s still an important part of many women’s health care, as I’m sure many here would agree.
’d like to hear what you nay-sayers sound like when you find out an un-vaccinated second or third world kid in your kid’s school shows up with measles.
Birth control got my wife extremely sick as a teen and kept getting changed around and changed around to find a good one and wound up in hospital. Told her to get off way back when and no issues since, other than a few kids 
Let’s not get into the breast cancer and birth control correlation.
Couple cousins who were taking meds for medical conditions got cancer or hospitalized, not sure if they were part of class action now or not, know one got $40k few years ago.
Tom that would really suck. It also sucks having a newborn in your arms go limp, start seizuring and get an ambulance ride with momma. That scarred momma that day, can’t even talk to the FW about that one. Everything is all good now but vaccines administered not long before caused it.
I don’t say these things with any spite towards the medical field. Theyve personally saved my life 2x on some stomach infections I got when taking workout supplements. Took the salts to me in the ER and everything. Won’t tell ya about the drugs that kept my grandparents alive for years longer than they should’ve, or uncle’s, or aunt’s etc.
But, it’s a real fact in this country big farm and big pharm has manipulated our system to a scary degree. We are fat, and over medicated to a point it needs to be addressed. Blindly looking at these vaccinations and many other facets of what’s deemed common sense drugs aren’t so common sense anymore. Real people are having real issues and they cannot be ignored.
Just look at this thread. How can someone just brush off peoples experiences here like they don’t matter? They do matter, and are part of the large narrative of how to deal with illnesses going forward.
But, it’s a real fact in this country big farm and big pharm has manipulated our system to a scary degree. We are fat, and over medicated to a point it needs to be addressed. Blindly looking at these vaccinations and many other facets of what’s deemed common sense drugs aren’t so common sense anymore. Real people are having real issues and they cannot be ignored.
One argument you will not get from me is pharmaceutical companies over-loading the American public with stuff that’s already available only under a different name. I take Xeralto for clot and stroke control. There are two other meds that do the same exact thing just different makers. None of the three allow a generic replacement to help cut costs, but all three replace Warfarin [the rat poison]. The only difference is how often the meds are taken daily….once with Xeralto, twice with the other two. Too much duplicity, too much advertising, no generic replacements keeps costs very high at the consumer level.
But on the level of vaccines….these are needed as can be documented in history with measles, small pox, whooping cough, chicken pox. Today shingles is an ever present threat to those to who have even had the chicken pox at a childhood level. I’m guessing that a case of shingles would give pause to someone who didn’t get immunized to help prevent it. And that’s the biggest reason of any for being immunized against any disease. Flu vaccines aren’t a silver bullet in prevention, but can help with the sickness being much less invasive and more manageable should someone get it which means it can be much less likely to be spread to others….including those who will have a fight for life if they contract it. Flu vaccines are broad spectrum and cover several different strains but as is also historical that flu strains are aggressive and new ones pop up every year that maybe won’t be covered as completely. Additionally, flu can be a costly illness if it hits an otherwise healthy but un-vaccinated family, say of four, considering co-pays or where insurance deductibles aren’t reached with office visits, meds and time off from work come into play. Flu is a whole lot more invasive than just being sick.
I hate to bring it to this level, but i’m sure almost everyone, if not everyone on this site gives there dogs a heart worm, flea and tick, rabies, some sort of preventative vaccination or medication. I’m not comparing a human life and a pet life, though some definitely feel that way. But for example sake, the people who are against the vaccination, do you give your pets these preventative medication, and if so, why the different feeling towards a vaccination for us?
Flu vaccines are broad spectrum and cover several different strains but as is also historical that flu strains are aggressive and new ones pop up every year that maybe won’t be covered as completely. Additionally, flu can be a costly illness if it hits an otherwise healthy but un-vaccinated family, say of four, considering co-pays or where insurance deductibles aren’t reached with office visits, meds and time off from work come into play. Flu is a whole lot more invasive than just being sick.
I don’t think we can group all vaccines into one single group. Measles, small pox, whooping cough, chicken pox are very different than influenza. Influenza is very easily mutated. The flu vaccines and immunities also degrade over time. Not so for the above mentioned diseases. I just hope that those vaccines are being reviewed regularly for their benefit if there is little or no chance of them ever coming to fruition.
The major issue I have is the overall promotion of unhealthy living. Take this pill, take this shot and you won’t have to worry about your health. I guess our health is one less thing to worry about. It doesn’t make sense to me that a 40% effective flu shot is better that strengthening your immune system. Especially when we don’t know what the long term effects of annual vaccinations are. Western medicine is plagued with constant adjustment based on lessons we learn decades later.
I spent a couple hours on the CDCs website last night and learned a lot. There are a lot of people that can carry the flu and never know it. They also say the flu shot is most effective in young adults and older children. Why? Because they generally have a healthier immune system.
I also reviewed the studies that were published in favor of the flu vaccines. I was a little troubled to read that the vast majority of these studies only occurred in the last couple years and that many only showed moderate correlation between the vaccines and anything beneficial. Most suggested that the studies themselves lacked strong evidence due to limitations of the study. Many were of very small groups. Some were limited by geography. None took into account diet or financial status. Financial status is a huge factor in diet and overall health.
I have a problem with the cdc stating that it is the “best” defense we have. There’s not enough research into utilizing our own natural defenses. There’s no financial benefit in doing so.
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besides being pups and the routine of early vaccinations all my pets have foregone vaccinations except for ones mandated by local law as a routine. By the grace of “fill in the blank ” I have been blessed to have these adopted parts of the family live their the average expected life span with the exemption of a few that left us early of that had nothing to with what these vaccinations covered.
I am an older person and still ticking and somewhat codnitive of my surroundings.
I say, do what you feel is best for you and your family and continue the search of what is best. I’m not against the flu shot and I may get one at sometime or another, I’m an out of sight out of mind kind of guy mind of frame guy and I do not always do what is best for me.
I think it’s important to make the distinction between: “I did X and I’m just fine”
and
“I recommend X to everyone and there is evidence that it is a good idea”.
I drink like 2 or 3 cokes a day, it hasn’t caused any medical problems. That doesn’t mean it’s a good decision or I’d recommend that course of action for anyone else.
My FIL makes these types of statements all the time, me: “Hey we should fix those trailer lights that don’t work, it will be like $40 and take a few hours”
FIL: “Nahhhhh, I’ve never been pulled over for that before and if I do I will tell them they must have just went out today cause they were working in the driveway.”
An apt analogy as he thinks the lights have no impact on others, but in reality they can make it dangerous to tow in low light conditions.
I hate to bring it to this level, but i’m sure almost everyone, if not everyone on this site gives there dogs a heart worm, flea and tick, rabies, some sort of preventative vaccination or medication. I’m not comparing a human life and a pet life, though some definitely feel that way. But for example sake, the people who are against the vaccination, do you give your pets these preventative medication, and if so, why the different feeling towards a vaccination for us?
Because they aren’t the same and it isn’t a good analogy.
Heart worm is common and will kill a dog. Rabies is common and will kill a dog and threaten human’s health.
A better analogy would be Bordetella shots….which my dogs don’t get.
Distinction noted. It is also be best noted this is just a conversation and no one is saying not to take a flu shot or any other vaccines. What works for this gander is not recomended.
Because they aren’t the same and it isn’t a good analogy.
Heart worm is common and will kill a dog. Rabies is common and will kill a dog and threaten human’s health.
A better analogy would be Bordetella shots….which my dogs don’t get.
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So to your point the flu isnt common? just trying to see what you mean by the comment. im not trying to push buttons here, just trying to continue the discussion.
Distinction noted. It is also be best noted this is just a conversation and no one is saying not to take a flu shot or any other vaccines. What works for this gander is not recomended.
. Re-reading your post I didn’t mean to call you out specifically, as you aren’t necessarily recommending that for others, just have seen a lot of comments like that in this thread and I think that can be a dangerous POV sometimes!
Great topic as I just got the 2nd shot of the new Shingles Vaccine as My wife had shingles and hopefully I never go through that. As well I got this year’s flu shot. What I question is…if it is that non-effective and has risk factors that are too high, why on earth would my insurance cover it? I mean it will be them who has to deal with the negative side effects of the shot as dealing with health insurance providers they run from risk, especially if it is this obvious.
Heart worm is common and will kill a dog. Rabies is common and will kill a dog and threaten human’s health.
But the flu isnt common, nor will it kill a human (for all of you that choose not to get the shot, that was sarcasm)
But the flu isnt common, nor will it kill a human (for all of you that choose not to get the shot, that was sarcasm)
lol
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