Technically you do. We feel ill not because of viruses or bacteria. We feel sick as a result of our bodies response to fighting them.
Anyone get the flu mist? The army gave me that once and I felt like I got sicker from that than any shot I’ve gotten.
The only shots i get are from a deeer stand. NO flu shots for this guy
Grouse…watch the 16 minute video posted on the first page.
Got it for the first time last year. Last year was also the very first time I was actually diagnosed with the flu. I find it a coincidence since my first kid was in daycare and everyone (including parents) got it except for 1-2 kids…I’ll tell ya, it is NOT a bad cold. It’s absolutely terrible. Gut and back aches are absolutely unbearable. Dizziness, vomiting, diarrhea, dehydration, fever, fatigue (specially the back), chills and headache all happened…The FW, my kid and I all had it at the same time…talk about unbearable.
I will be getting it again this year, regardless of last years experience.
Grouse…watch the 16 minute video posted on the first page.
Seems like no one likes to click on videos from what I’ve noticed.
Definitely worth getting.
Seems like no one likes to click on videos from what I’ve noticed.
Apparently. 
Here’s my take. No, I have nothing to back this up but I’m certainly not going to blindly believe what the CDC is telling us.
I’ll keep my thought focused on the flu vaccine. I think most people have had the flu in their lifetime. For most it’s not a life threatening illness. For tjose with weakened immune systems it can be devastating if not fatal. From what I gather, the vaccine will give your immune system a memory of the virus which will help to fight it off. For those with weakened immune systems it would help them get over it without serious complications.
Ok, if this is remotely true, wouldn’t strengthening your immune system be more effective? How, you ask? Well, there’s thousands of books, videos and classes that explain how to strengthen your immune system. Even mainstream medical organizations agree that reducing stress, meditation, garlic, ginger, yoga and even acupuncture are alternative ways to maintain a healthy lifestyle and a healthy immune system.
Instead, we want to promote unhealthy lifestyle and weakened immune system so it can be treated.
I didn’t have time to make it all the way through the video yet Bk, but I suspect that profit fit somewhere in the equation.
If you want herd immunity, promote immune system health, not lack thereof. Unfortunately no one can make a profit on that so I guess we’ll just spin our wheels until a real pandemic hits.
This topic gets my blood boiling. It was mentioned earlier but vaccines are as much about others as they are about you.
If you’ve known someone who has a compromised immune system you know how bad the flu can be. We dealt with this when our daughter was an infant because she was born prematurely. The biggest risk to her were others that didn’t have vaccinations. The flu at that time would’ve killed her. After spending almost a month in the hospital with her we had to be quarantined at home until she was strong enough to get her own vaccinations.
Get vaccinated and stop listening to all the conspiracy theories on vaccines.
All vaccines have risks from minor to life threatening. Just like all medications even aspirin. So if we watch the video and did not vaccinate due to potential side effects we would have polio, measles, rubella, etc.
I know several people who had polio and thank good for vaccines. Yes people likely died due to these vaccines but thousands and thousands were saved. Don’t let sensational TV articles dictate what you do. Millions died of flu out break in 1918ish.
The biggest risk to her were others that didn’t have vaccinations.
That’s totally false! Vaccines DO NOT prevent you from contracting a virus. That’s a fact. They help your body fight them faster with less severe immune response.
Grouse…watch the 16 minute video posted on the first page.
watched the video and not sure what your argument is…. are you suggesting there have been no medical advances in the last 42 years? dont you think if people were ending up as quadriplegics from the flu shot, it’d be a little more mainstream? still haven’t heard a logical argument against getting the shot. like others have stated, its as much for your benefit as the benefit of others in your life with weaker immune systems.
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That NICU is fun ain’t it Matt?
No vaccines for this guy, and when I take kids to doc I say no. Survival of the fittest.
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I trust that the many that didn’t watch the video will have no interest in reading a published scientific study.
This as well as the many many studies referenced show no correlation between flu vaccines and incidence or mortality rates.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374803/
Notice the .gov website in case you doubt the source. When I get more time I’m going to read more of these.
That NICU is fun ain’t it Matt?
No vaccines for this guy, and when I take kids to doc I say no. Survival of the fittest.
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We didn’t have it nearly as bad as others but it’s no fun….
You guys should do some research on the prevalence of flu and deaths in affluent areas versus where vaccinations are required when you get care. For low income folks without insurance you are required in some states to be vaccinated. County and state facilities won’t care for you without them. It’s the same for MMR and other viruses. Deaths and sickness cases are much lower in these low income areas. Regardless of your take on vaccinations it’s pretty interesting.
For low income folks without insurance you are required in some states to be
I’m interested in this. Have an idea where I could look this up?
Kind of reminds me of eugenics that was going on across this country.
I have nothing to back this up but I’m certainly not going to blindly believe what the CDC is telling us.
Notice the .gov website in case you doubt the source.
Sounds like you’ll only cherry pick the articles you want to believe, the CDC recommendations are on a .gov website too, but a couple things.
First, the US National Library of Medicine is a library. An article being in the library, and on a .gov website, does not make it true or false.
Second, maybe you should look into Peter Doshi a bit. This article, and other similar ones he has written, are largely refuted by people with much more relevant credentials than he has himself.
Only got the flu once as an adult, and it was the one year I got the mist for “free” at work. So I don’t get it anymore, and am otherwise pro-vaccine.
Well, there’s thousands of books, videos and classes that explain how to strengthen your immune system. Even mainstream medical organizations agree that reducing stress, meditation, garlic, ginger, yoga and even acupuncture are alternative ways to maintain a healthy lifestyle and a healthy immune system.
Biggill that may work for some people but my immune system is being controlled by medications because of a double lung transplant. I take medications to knock the immune system down and then other medications to bring levels up high enough to stay healthy but not so high that organ rejection occurs. Thank goodness there are Drs and Pharmacists that understand how to maintain that balance.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>biggill wrote:</div>
I have nothing to back this up but I’m certainly not going to blindly believe what the CDC is telling us.<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>biggill wrote:</div>
Notice the .gov website in case you doubt the source.Sounds like you’ll only cherry pick the articles you want to believe, the CDC recommendations are on a .gov website too, but a couple things.
First, the US National Library of Medicine is a library. An article being in the library, and on a .gov website, does not make it true or false.
Second, maybe you should look into Peter Doshi a bit. This article, and other similar ones he has written, are largely refuted by people with much more relevant credentials than he has himself.
I didn’t cherry pick but I’ll admit I didn’t fact check very well.
I’ll research a little better before I post next time.
I’m very interested to find any statistical data for flu vaccines.
Thank goodness there are Drs and Pharmacists that understand how to maintain that balance.
Who needs fancy pants doctors when you have a whole staff of virologists right here on IDO!
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Reef Whooligan wrote:</div>
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>biggill wrote:</div>
I have nothing to back this up but I’m certainly not going to blindly believe what the CDC is telling us.<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>biggill wrote:</div>
Notice the .gov website in case you doubt the source.Sounds like you’ll only cherry pick the articles you want to believe, the CDC recommendations are on a .gov website too, but a couple things.
First, the US National Library of Medicine is a library. An article being in the library, and on a .gov website, does not make it true or false.
Second, maybe you should look into Peter Doshi a bit. This article, and other similar ones he has written, are largely refuted by people with much more relevant credentials than he has himself.
I didn’t cherry pick but I’ll admit I didn’t fact check very well.
I’ll research a little better before I post next time.
I’m very interested to find any statistical data for flu vaccines.
Props for a level-headed response biggill. Some of the polarizing topics are tough to find good sources on the internet for, as generally you can find as many ‘articles’ and ‘studies’ on either side. Especially once you get into ares with a lot of $$$ on the money on the line. Start looking around for stuff on gun control for example and hoooooo boy are there some interesting ‘studies’ that boil down to one side or the other paying for ‘research’.
like it or lump it here’s my thoughts on flu shots or any other shot,first off,hell no I wont get a flu shot.
I havent been out of school so long that I have forgotten that your body WILL develop a natural immunity to a flu strain,once you have had a certain strain you wont get it again,you will get sick from one you havent had before and the cycle starts over.
lets look at all of the allergies kids are being born with nowadays,peanuts or anything related to them for example and this is one example,why is that happening??
because they are using a reformulation of the peanut to act as a carrier for the injection as it was supposedly safe which it is not as the body developed a resistance to it along with what the shot it was supposed to defend against as the body recognized it as an invader.
many injections use mercury as a preservative,hhhmmm,will your body digest mercury??? according to many warnings in DNR fishing regulations fish are unsafe to eat because of the mercury levels in the fish but yet we will willingly let a doctor inject it directly into the body??? and our childrens body??????
mercury is a heavy metal that settles of all places in the brain and it will mess you up.
I will take my chances with the fish…..
six years ago I had an infected wisdom tooth,the dentist prescribed a broad spectrum antibiotic for it.
I ended up with antibiotic induced colitis and I still fight with severe digestive issues to this day,and guess what??? they wanted to fight it with more antibiotics.
that antibiotic will be the last one I ever take,if I croak from whatever the next thing that makes me sick,thats okay with me as it isnt worth the man made lingering after effects for years to come to deal with.
I have talked to many doctors over the years about antibiotics and they all have said the same thing,the more they use,the more infections,diseases,illnesses of what ever fashion will develop a resistance to it.
forty years ago for example,a certain disease took 10 cc’s of penicillin to cure,now that antibiotic wont touch it at 100 times the dose.
antiseptic wipes are the worst thing ever invented,ask around the hospital the next time you are in one.
superbugs are being created daily by the over use and abuse of antibiotics and if you are so blind as to not see that I pity the life of your children down the road,when it happens to your family dont ask why as you helped create the problem,live with your decision.
there is a line written many years ago that says,woe to those who build house upon house,think about that for a minute……
need an explanation???
it means,virus’s,diseases,illnesses of all sorts will spread through an apartment complex or something similar for example like wildfire and this is not even counting all of the crimes committed in places like that.
people born after the seventies dont have the natural defense mechanisms in place as they have been altered by all of the meds we have taken since those days,I wont take the time to document it as you can look it up yourself and there isnt room here to list them all,the truth is out there if you seek it rightly.
am I saying we have been a giant experiment??? read the facts for yourselves.
my dad was in the navy in the fifties,he asked the doctor what all of the shots were for,the reply??
you now belong to the government,what we do to you is none of your concern,words from a man that wouldnt say poop if he had a mouthful of it.
remember this,we are human beings,a mammal,strip away all of the smoke and mirrors and for all time we end up being part of nature itself and nature itself is,,,,,,survival of the fittest,plain,and simple.
that said,medical science is a wonderful thing that has allowed many to survive years beyond what would of been a natural outcome.
along with that,it is called practicing medicine for a reason.
Props for a level-headed response biggill.
Thanks, I wish we would see more of it.
See what ya went and done? Now all the youngsters are going to blame the old guys of the the world because we don’t trust big Pharma. 
I mean prescribing drugs to combat the drugs they prescribe is the American way isn’t it? I’ll hold you accountable Sheldon if I get splattered with what is headed your way. 
I agree with you 90% (not 100% only because I don’t want the hit squad after me to) 
See what ya went and done? Now all the youngsters are going to blame the old guys of the the world because we don’t trust big Pharma.
I mean prescribing drugs to combat the drugs they prescribe is the American way isn’t it? I’ll hold you accountable Sheldon if I get splattered with that is headed your way.
I agree with you 90% (not 100% only because I don’t want the hit squad after me to)
thats okay Dutchboy,I have big shoulders and they arent from meds of any kind!!
heres to everyone having a great weekend !!! 
I got one back in the late 80’s. Never again. My arm got sore from holding my sore arm. Never again after that.
are you suggesting there have been no medical advances in the last 42 years?
@Jake, yes there has been medical advance in the last 42 years, but what hasn’t changed is greed, corruption and human error.
The CDC doesn’t make policies for “me”, they make them for the populations as a whole…the herd.
I’m not telling anyone what to do beyond to watch the video.
Polio, and all the others mentioned were a single type of cell that the vaccine took care of. The flu shot is a moving target…if a vaccine is really needed in the first place.
Excuse me, I have to find my hat. 
I have never taken the shot and never will. Nothing but my life experiences and bias to back it up, but the shot never made any sense to me.
Good discussion! I guess this topic is hotter than Bay watch. I’m still torn now. I already got the shot this year, so maybe I’ll go every other year? Just kidding. I think from now on I’m going to decline it. So BK, do you put a point on your tinfoil hat? What’s that for anyways? I wouldn’t think you would want “them” to get any better reception of your thoughts. Lol.
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